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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 2:25:32 GMT
A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 Ah. So ME:A outsold RE7 in the US but you have no idea how ME:A performed internationally? Got it.Ha you just proved our point! I don't think you get it... the fact that it's worldwide skews the numbers. RE7 could have sold 2m or less in the US for all we know. Which means none of this "sold over 3.5m" nonsense is accurate in any way. Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. NPD doesn't compare on those terms, it compares on known units sold regardless of genre. Again matching criteria needed. Otherwise this is all pointless. We both need to stop. It's just pointless. Eh. Probably right. No probably about it.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 2:29:19 GMT
Well, they're actually correct and my point was that we do have a number we can attach to ME:A sales. People keep saying "It didn't sale well", but they're actually not correct. I'm assuming that since April those numbers have climbed, though most likely just a smidge. That it took RE7 three months to get to 3.5 million, as opposed to ME:A's 30 days, is just a side note. A relevant side note, but still a side note. It's the numbers that count here and the numbers look pretty good. Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. That's not even a side note... nowhere does it say ME:A sold that amount in 30 days. Did you read the previous posts about how RE7 sales were worldwide while NPD was in the US? Zelda came in second for March. It has a 1:1 attach rate to the Switch. It sold 925k in March. Mass Effect was 5th. Mass Effect sold LESS than 925k in its launch week. EA expected 3m. You do the math.
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 2:31:49 GMT
Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. That's not even a side note... nowhere does it say ME:A sold that amount in 30 days. Did you read the previous posts about how RE7 sales were worldwide while NPD was in the US? Zelda came in second for March. It has a 1:1 attach rate to the Switch. It sold 925k in March. Mass Effect was 5th. Mass Effect sold LESS than 925k in its launch week. EA expected 3m. You do the math. Your assumption is that EA expected 3 million in the US alone. That's a false assumption.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 2:33:37 GMT
Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. That's not even a side note... nowhere does it say ME:A sold that amount in 30 days. Did you read the previous posts about how RE7 sales were worldwide while NPD was in the US? Zelda came in second for March. It has a 1:1 attach rate to the Switch. It sold 925k in March. Mass Effect was 5th. Mass Effect sold LESS than 925k in its launch week. EA expected 3m. You do the math. You need to read my first post on this: bsn.boards.net/post/798177I said nothing about LAUNCH NUMBERS. The numbers were for April 27th - total up to that point. ME:A was March 21st RE7 was Jan. 24th. So you get it right and do the math. I am done with this.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 2:53:54 GMT
That's not even a side note... nowhere does it say ME:A sold that amount in 30 days. Did you read the previous posts about how RE7 sales were worldwide while NPD was in the US? Zelda came in second for March. It has a 1:1 attach rate to the Switch. It sold 925k in March. Mass Effect was 5th. Mass Effect sold LESS than 925k in its launch week. EA expected 3m. You do the math. You need to read my first post on this: bsn.boards.net/post/798177I said nothing about LAUNCH NUMBERS. The numbers were for April 27th - total up to that point. ME:A was March 21st RE7 was Jan. 24th. So you get it right and do the math. I am done with this. The Switch sold just under 300k in April - with Zeldas 1:1 attach rate - and higher ranking than Andromeda in the NPD sales chart for that month (3 vs 7), Andromeda will be lucky to have sold 200k for the month for a grand total of not a lot. Feel free to keep doing the math.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 3:06:09 GMT
Irrelvant data. Also incase you didn't read: You need to read my first post on this: bsn.boards.net/post/798177I said nothing about LAUNCH NUMBERS.The numbers were for April 27th - TOTAL up to that point. ME:A was March 21st RE7 was Jan. 24th. So you get it right and do the math. I am done with this. The Switch sold just under 300k in April - with Zeldas 1:1 attach rate - and higher ranking than Andromeda in the NPD sales chart for that month (3 vs 7), Andromeda will be lucky to have sold 200k for the month for a grand total of not a lot.
Feel free to keep doing the math. i.imgur.com/YPYLr9G.gif
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 3:21:40 GMT
You need to read my first post on this: bsn.boards.net/post/798177I said nothing about LAUNCH NUMBERS. The numbers were for April 27th - total up to that point. ME:A was March 21st RE7 was Jan. 24th. So you get it right and do the math. I am done with this. The Switch sold just under 300k in April - with Zeldas 1:1 attach rate - and higher ranking than Andromeda in the NPD sales chart for that month (3 vs 7), Andromeda will be lucky to have sold 200k for the month for a grand total of not a lot. Feel free to keep doing the math. Technically BOTW has a 102% attach rate to the Switch.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 3:26:00 GMT
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Post by cypherj on Jul 13, 2017 3:39:02 GMT
ME3 actually sold 900K in the first 24 hours in the US alone. EA also said that they expected ME:A to sell three million in the first few days. So unless 66% of sales were digital, which they weren't, they didn't reach their expectations based on this. Digital sales have increased, but not to that extent. But as I mentioned earlier, the initial sales aren't what you would look at because those sales would be almost totally based on the popularity of the original trilogy, weighted by preorders. You would be looking at the sales following the initial launch because those would tell you how much the game's initial reception may have affected its long-term viability. If the sales dropped off far more than expected then the game is not selling to expectations, and that would affect how much money you would put into it going forward. Obviously I don't have these numbers, but that's just something to think about.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 13, 2017 3:39:46 GMT
Irrelvant data. Also incase you didn't read: The Switch sold just under 300k in April - with Zeldas 1:1 attach rate - and higher ranking than Andromeda in the NPD sales chart for that month (3 vs 7), Andromeda will be lucky to have sold 200k for the month for a grand total of not a lot.
Feel free to keep doing the math. i.imgur.com/YPYLr9G.gif griffith82 kino Just let it go. It's obvious he doesn't want to listen, despite you guys giving out tons of evidence.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 3:54:21 GMT
griffith82 kino Just let it go. It's obvious he doesn't want to listen, despite you guys giving out tons of evidence. Yeah I'm tired.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 4:21:17 GMT
ME3 actually sold 900K in the first 24 hours in the US alone. EA also said that they expected ME:A to sell three million in the first few days. So unless 66% of sales were digital, which they weren't, they didn't reach their expectations based on this. Digital sales have increased, but not to that extent. But as I mentioned earlier, the initial sales aren't what you would look at because those sales would be almost totally based on the popularity of the original trilogy, weighted by preorders. You would be looking at the sales following the initial launch because those would tell you how much the game's initial reception may have affected its long-term viability. If the sales dropped off far more than expected then the game is not selling to expectations, and that would affect how much money you would put into it going forward. Obviously I don't have these numbers, but that's just something to think about. This is just the West, though. Doesn't include China or Japan. Digital sales are around 35-40% based on what I've read. Probably not quite at the 3 million they wanted, but probably very close. As for post-launch numbers, those always drop very fast, but I agree I'm sure they have a range that says "Yes, people are interested in the game" and outside the range is "No, it's not a widespread audience."
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 4:22:03 GMT
griffith82 kino Just let it go. It's obvious he doesn't want to listen, despite you guys giving out tons of evidence. *sigh* Fine...
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 4:23:19 GMT
griffith82 kino Just let it go. It's obvious he doesn't want to listen, despite you guys giving out tons of evidence. Finally someone with a constructive input instead of just bash-trolling and sure I will listen. This has turned into a rigamarole... Time to kill it now and make my point clear one last time: As stated back a page suikoden & kino began the debate about sales numbers. Kino linked the numbers for RE7 released on April 27 or somewhere close to that date. ME:A numbers of sales was 5th just above RE7 and RE7 was at 3.5 mil. THIS was the issue I had. 3 months for RE7 to get there. 30 Days or so for ME:A to get there. Also being that they are not matching genre's works against it being balanced and unbiased. suikoden got the whole thing riled up then by talking about the launch numbers and basically trolling me on to this page. As I said before I do not care about launch day, week numbers only the FINAL numbers.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 5:04:28 GMT
griffith82 kino Just let it go. It's obvious he doesn't want to listen, despite you guys giving out tons of evidence. Finally someone with a constructive input instead of just bash-trolling and sure I will listen. This has turned into a rigamarole... Time to kill it now and make my point clear one last time: As stated back a page suikoden & kino began the debate about sales numbers. Kino linked the numbers for RE7 released on April 27 or somewhere close to that date. ME:A numbers of sales was 5th just above RE7 and RE7 was at 3.5 mil. THIS was the issue I had. 3 months for RE7 to get there. 30 Days or so for ME:A to get there. Also being that they are not matching genre's works against it being balanced and unbiased. suikoden got the whole thing riled up then by talking about the launch numbers and basically trolling me on to this page. As I said before I do not care about launch day, week numbers only the FINAL numbers.
I'm not sure how you're still not getting this - that 3.5m is worldwide sales, it is not reflective of however many RE7 sold based on its NPD status because NPD is only counting US sales. RE7 could have sold 3m in Asia, resulting in 500k being represented by its showing on NPD. So Andromeda could have outsold RE7 600k to 500k for example. Because NPD is worldwide, and NPD is US alone, all you can correlate is that Andromeda outsold RE7 in the US - you cannot, however, assume that it sold more than 3.5m. It's not complicated.
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Post by clips7 on Jul 13, 2017 5:18:19 GMT
So basically MEA numbers are respectable....and not to put a damper on things here, but EA spent 40 million to make MEA right? And i'm sure they are looking to make back most of it's investment over the life of the game itself, and while Bioware is patching this game like crazy, i think what else is being lost here is that these patches are also expensive....these fixes cost the company every time these patches drop.
So they are still grinding against their profits a bit even if it is for the greater good of the game and for the fans themselves.....and if they sold at least over 3.5 million through April, after knowing this, it was still a bit puzzling for them not to mention any DLC at E3...even if it was Anthem's time to shine...
I think this is still overall positive for the franchise tho....3.5 million through April is respectable numbers and it doesn't show a huge dropoff in sales due to them crashing out of the gates with this. I still think the DLC is coming at some point.
I'm not sure what EA expected to sell from the jump in 1st week sales, but at least they wasn't like how Square expected the Tomb Raider reboot to sell an astronomical amount and stated some unrealistic numbers to their investors....i don't know the exact numbers but i think Tomb Raider sold like 5 million? and square deemed that a failure due to them predicting something like 20 million in sales, when in fact 5 million is a VERY impressive feat....(sorry i don't know the true numbers in terms of the Tomb Raider story, but it was something along those lines)
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Post by Serza on Jul 13, 2017 8:16:39 GMT
We get it, Jason. We bloody get it. You don't like the game.
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