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Post by smilesja on Jul 12, 2017 23:50:09 GMT
There is absolutely no point in bothering to argue with someone who cannot accept that the game sold well. There is literally no metric of sales data that supports the conclusion that people like suidoken desperately want to convince themselves of. There are actually - NPD and VGchartz. I've seen the Andromeda defense force plug both of these as positives, and then revert and deny their reliability when the results aren't what they want. No one really knows the exact number of Andromeda's sales - it's pointless to argue over. Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 12, 2017 23:59:52 GMT
I'm not a fanboy. I'm a junkie. I've got my friend's PS4 hostage (OMG I HATE JOYSTICKS!) and played Andromeda on patch 1.09. The dripline is hot. No crashes. No quest bugs yet. Animations are up to par with the OT (and in some cases, Frostbite capable) and yes I still want to punch Liam in the mouth, but I accept that cryo may have damaged his ability to form words coherently. I've gotten used to driving for a while with the Nomad (I've finally finished the stress test that never ends with the Mako on some planet designed by some vertical-loving sadist.) and the banter. The game still needs patching (but if BioWare released some tools... I know, I know, corporate BS, blah, blah, blah) but from what I can see on the PS4, it's awesome. I can't focus on the small, annoying stuff because the game is running smooth. (Lesson learned.) I also talked up big game about never pre-ordering DLC again. Well, I'm not... sort of. I'm going to make use of the Origin return system. So, yeah, I want my drugs in a timely fashion. Pity the fool that fails to deliver on time again...
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 0:10:50 GMT
There are actually - NPD and VGchartz. I've seen the Andromeda defense force plug both of these as positives, and then revert and deny their reliability when the results aren't what they want. No one really knows the exact number of Andromeda's sales - it's pointless to argue over. Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? Because that's what those sites indicate. That, and the lack of DLC. |
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I'm starting to think that the aggressive patching process that BW is undertaking with regards to ME:A is delaying the inevitable DLC, much like ME3's Extended Cut delayed its DLCs.  I have no doubt that it is. Some of the changes from the last patch were not really necessary. The fact that people are really fine tuning this game the way they have been at this point when the game is still dirt cheap tells me one thing. They have DLC and plan on releasing it and hope to grab more sales because of it. Because of that they are really working to make the game as stellar as they can for those sales so that people will ignore all previous criticisms. Smart play. Indeed.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 0:19:48 GMT
Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? Because that's what those sites indicate. I want to reiterate what this really means, for those who are unaware. suikoden genuinely believes that a source that stated that Mass Effect: Andromeda was the fifth best-selling video game released in 2017 by the end of a period ten days after its release date indicates that the game sold poorly. You have people genuinely pointing to a source that states the game is one of the best-selling games of the year so far and declaring that to be a sign that the game was a failure. (Plus, people have compared that position to other top-selling games of 2017 with known sales numbers to find that Andromeda did most likely reach its three-million initial sales goal in March. But suikoden told himself that never happened, so it doesn't count.) |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 0:20:07 GMT
Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? Because that's what those sites indicate. That, and the lack of DLC. No they don't. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 0:29:17 GMT
Because that's what those sites indicate. I want to reiterate what this really means, for those who are unaware. suikoden genuinely believes that a source that stated that Mass Effect: Andromeda was the fifth best-selling video game released in 2017 by the end of a period ten days after its release date indicates that the game sold poorly. You have people genuinely pointing to a source that states the game is one of the best-selling games of the year so far and declaring that to be a sign that the game was a failure. (Plus, people have compared that position to other top-selling games of 2017 with known sales numbers to find that Andromeda did most likely reach its three-million initial sales goal in March. But suikoden told himself that never happened, so it doesn't count.) Whatever it takes to boost your confidence there will be DLC - good luck!  |
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Post by bshep on Jul 13, 2017 0:33:48 GMT
Damn it didn't even took three pages for the Doomsayers to appear.  Anyway now we can only wait (and hope) BW breaks the silence soon. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 0:37:21 GMT
Completed New Game Insanity from scratch Level 1. Extremely stingy with resources and very unforgiving of small mistakes, but loads of fun. Anyway, If you get the complete ending, it's clear that there are tons of clues that the story isn't over. The Kett are still in Helius, there is a Kett civil war brewing, the Benefactors are lurking somewhere with who-knows-what agenda, the Jardaan might notice the activation of Meridian and investigate, the scourge needs explaining and resolution. I suspect a sequel. Or a Trilogy. There are ample plots for DLC drops finishing up the loose ends of settling Helius and reconciling all the species. Frankly, I hope that all happens. I really liked the game, despite the minor imperfections. |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 0:46:43 GMT
Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? Here's the facts: - NPD for April has ME:A at 5th bestselling game of the year. - In that same chart is RE7 at 6th bestselling game of the year, except we know what RE7's selling numbers are for April, 3.5+ million. Some folks might want to casually ignore that but that's the way it is. More than 3.5 million by April. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 0:53:23 GMT
I want to reiterate what this really means, for those who are unaware. suikoden genuinely believes that a source that stated that Mass Effect: Andromeda was the fifth best-selling video game released in 2017 by the end of a period ten days after its release date indicates that the game sold poorly. You have people genuinely pointing to a source that states the game is one of the best-selling games of the year so far and declaring that to be a sign that the game was a failure. (Plus, people have compared that position to other top-selling games of 2017 with known sales numbers to find that Andromeda did most likely reach its three-million initial sales goal in March. But suikoden told himself that never happened, so it doesn't count.) Whatever it takes to boost your confidence there will be DLC - good luck! You know you have a lot of hate for a guy who never played the damn game. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 1:14:33 GMT
Then why do you insist that the game sold poorly? Here's the facts:
- NPD for April has ME:A at 5th bestselling game of the year.
- In that same chart is RE7 at 6th bestselling game of the year, except we know what RE7's selling numbers are for April, 3.5+ million.
Some folks might want to casually ignore that but that's the way it is. More than 3.5 million by April.
![]() ![]()   These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Not bad if you ask me. Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read...  |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 1:22:09 GMT
Here's the facts:
- NPD for April has ME:A at 5th bestselling game of the year.
- In that same chart is RE7 at 6th bestselling game of the year, except we know what RE7's selling numbers are for April, 3.5+ million.
Some folks might want to casually ignore that but that's the way it is. More than 3.5 million by April.
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... Well, they're actually correct and my point was that we do have a number we can attach to ME:A sales. People keep saying "It didn't sale well", but they're actually not correct. I'm assuming that since April those numbers have climbed, though most likely just a smidge. That it took RE7 three months to get to 3.5 million, as opposed to ME:A's 30 days, is just a side note. A relevant side note, but still a side note. It's the numbers that count here and the numbers look pretty good. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 1:52:35 GMT
Here's the facts:
- NPD for April has ME:A at 5th bestselling game of the year.
- In that same chart is RE7 at 6th bestselling game of the year, except we know what RE7's selling numbers are for April, 3.5+ million.
Some folks might want to casually ignore that but that's the way it is. More than 3.5 million by April.
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Not bad if you ask me. Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 1:54:12 GMT
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... Well, they're actually correct and my point was that we do have a number we can attach to ME:A sales. People keep saying "It didn't sale well", but they're actually not correct. I'm assuming that since April those numbers have climbed, though most likely just a smidge. That it took RE7 three months to get to 3.5 million, as opposed to ME:A's 30 days, is just a side note. A relevant side note, but still a side note. It's the numbers that count here and the numbers look pretty good. I think both of you are trying to say what he same thing just differently. The numbers show MEA sold well. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 1:55:06 GMT
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Not bad if you ask me. Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 Ha you just proved our point! |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 2:00:24 GMT
A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 Ha you just proved our point! I don't think you get it... the fact that it's worldwide skews the numbers. RE7 could have sold 2m or less in the US for all we know. Which means none of this "sold over 3.5m" nonsense is accurate in any way. |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 2:01:01 GMT
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Not bad if you ask me. Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 Ah. So ME:A outsold RE7 in the US but you have no idea how ME:A performed internationally? Got it. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 2:10:22 GMT
Ha you just proved our point! I don't think you get it... the fact that it's worldwide skews the numbers. RE7 could have sold 2m or less in the US for all we know. Which means none of this "sold over 3.5m" nonsense is accurate in any way. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 13, 2017 2:10:50 GMT
A valiant effort... but those 3.5m RE7 stats, are worldwide. NPD tracks US. So no. Your entire spiel, is bogus and does not apply as it is in no way accurate. Nice try though - A+ for effort! I'm sure sales are totally 👌🏾 Ah. So ME:A outsold RE7 in the US but you have no idea how ME:A performed internationally? Got it. Correct - and neither do you. I'd guess RE7 outsold ME:A overseas by a ton though seeing as it's since cracked 10m. If Andromeda did those numbers we'd be on our second DLC already. |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 2:15:24 GMT
Ah. So ME:A outsold RE7 in the US but you have no idea how ME:A performed internationally? Got it. Correct - and neither do you. I'd guess RE7 outsold ME:A overseas by a ton though seeing as it's since cracked 10m. If Andromeda did those numbers we'd be on our second DLC already. 10 million is Capcom's lifetime earnings expectations for RE7, not how many it's presently sold. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 13, 2017 2:17:03 GMT
Correct - and neither do you. I'd guess RE7 outsold ME:A overseas by a ton though seeing as it's since cracked 10m. If Andromeda did those numbers we'd be on our second DLC already. 10 million is Capcom's lifetime earnings expectations for RE7, not how many it's presently sold. We both need to stop. It's just pointless. |
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 13, 2017 2:18:06 GMT
![]() ![]() These facts are flawed. They are actually in ME:A's favor: RE7 was released on January 24, 2017 ME:A was released on March 21, 2017 So if those scores are accurate then ME:A that had been out only a MONTH and surpassed RE7 to be 5th over all. And RE7 which had just come up to the 3.5+ million mark -which RE7 had taken THREE months to get there. So ME:A got to 3.5 million in a month.Guess I am glad now that I like math and books and to read... Well, they're actually correct and my point was that we do have a number we can attach to ME:A sales. People keep saying "It didn't sale well", but they're actually not correct. I'm assuming that since April those numbers have climbed, though most likely just a smidge. That it took RE7 three months to get to 3.5 million, as opposed to ME:A's 30 days, is just a side note. A relevant side note, but still a side note. It's the numbers that count here and the numbers look pretty good. Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 2:21:20 GMT
Well, they're actually correct and my point was that we do have a number we can attach to ME:A sales. People keep saying "It didn't sale well", but they're actually not correct. I'm assuming that since April those numbers have climbed, though most likely just a smidge. That it took RE7 three months to get to 3.5 million, as opposed to ME:A's 30 days, is just a side note. A relevant side note, but still a side note. It's the numbers that count here and the numbers look pretty good. Didn't say they were incorrect just flawed. Numbers can match on a wide varity of fields or differ in many ways. Is there a face on Mars? Yes? No? What does it mattter? 3 months versus 30 days-which I do not believe is a side note at all] is still quite an accomplishment. One that not many games can claim -even RE7. Which brings me to the next itteration -This data is flawed in another way: Comparing two unlike genres is pointless: RE7 is a labeled as an RPG but it is also a first person shooter horror. Granted. FPS usually do sell more than other genres so using it makes it a pathetic comparison to the likes of Wolfenstein 3D or Doom. ME:A is a Third-Person exploratory shooter.Show me numbers that match on that term from this year and I will disubjugate the subject the validity of the argument. NPD doesn't compare on those terms, it compares on known units sold regardless of genre. |
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Post by kino on Jul 13, 2017 2:22:34 GMT
We both need to stop. It's just pointless. Eh. Probably right. |
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