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Post by bizantura on Jul 13, 2017 11:21:48 GMT
I think many people these days ride hype trains. After all, that is what is most promoted and people are comfortable in group think. For me personally, I think MEA is a very good story driven shooter, not an RPG that part got diluted to an extent I experience as too much. The character cast is weak compared to other Bioware games and disturbs because it is otherwise Bioware's strong suit.
In the end, opinions are subjective but multiply those subjectivities and you get a storm out of proportion with consequence. People like Yongyea live of storms thru click bait, I suppose from his standpoint that is how the game is played and damned the consequences. A standpoint adopted by many people in this day and age, something to ponder about!?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 11:28:09 GMT
So now we aren't having negative only trolls. OP is right, though. This game is heavily - heavily flawed. Nah, the game isn't "heavily flawed". It just has a bunch of people who want the series and developers to die if it isn't exactly what they want. And if you genuinely think there isn't something wrong with the people who devote themselves to whining about the game, just take a look at the fact that they genuinely do devote themselves to whining about the game. A normal person doesn't spend all of their time on fan sites for a game doing nothing but complaining about it. That's what a person does when they have a problem with the mere existence of things they don't personally like. Yeah, it's really not that flawed. Just the lowest reviewed Mass Effect game, in the league of COD Ghosts and whatnot. It's reception was warranted by its terrible development cycle, and despite that, I enjoyed it, but boy - five years worth of waiting just for a disappointment, even another disappointment to some people. You sound angry, take a chill pill. Like you implied, it's just a game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 11:33:44 GMT
Yeah, it's really not that flawed. Just the lowest reviewed Mass Effect game You can stop pretending the review scores were anything but gaming journalists selling their souls to the psychotic anti-BioWare trolldom. Games with actual glaring issues get mindless praise. A great game got slandered because a bunch of clickbait whores want losers who threatened the lives of women who worked on the game because Peebee doesn't turn them on to be their audience.
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Post by abaris on Jul 13, 2017 11:36:58 GMT
For me personally, I think MEA is a very good story driven shooter, not an RPG that part got diluted to an extent I experience as too much. The character cast is weak compared to other Bioware games and disturbs because it is otherwise Bioware's strong suit. And that's it in a nutshell. I didn't go looking for a shooter, I was looking for an RPG with shooter elements. For me it's the first Bioware game I don't feel the urge to replay, to try something different, to look for something I haven't discovered yet. There's quite a lot to be said in favor of MEA, such as not forcing you into MP, as ME3 attempted with it's galactic readiness system. Good job and lesson learned by the devs that it doesn't sit well with certain people to have to do MP in order to get the best out of your game. It's also that the combat is more fluid than it ever was before. But there's also a lot to say against the game. The lackluster story, the weak crew, as compared to previous games. And last but not least, that you're no longer able to make your squadmates do what you want them to do. Make use of their abilities when you decide it's the right time to use them. That takes away from the overall improved combat, since your mates don't do much damage at all in most instances.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 11:38:50 GMT
Yeah, it's really not that flawed. Just the lowest reviewed Mass Effect game You can stop pretending the review scores were anything but gaming journalists selling their souls to the psychotic anti-BioWare trolldom. Games with actual glaring issues get mindless praise. A great game got slandered because a bunch of clickbait whores want losers who threatened the lives of women who worked on the game because Peebee doesn't turn them on to be their audience. Or you know, the game just wasn't great as you want it be Are you this delusional in life as well? Name one recent game that got mindless praise and is worse than MEA. Because this is a first, "a great game who got slandered". Internet reviewers are filled with liberals and PC people, if anything, this game could have gotten a free pass for all the pandering and representation. That occurred with the average Ghostbusters reboot despite the internet wanting it to fail really hard. B.O wise, that didn't happen. So your terrible point is irrelevant. It's just a mediocre product.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 13, 2017 11:39:58 GMT
It's hard to say, people focus on different things, and had different experiences. I experienced a ton of bugs and technical issues when I played the game, to the point where some days I just quit playing because they were ruining my enjoyment of the game. On the other hand you have some people that say they never experienced one major bug the whole time they were playing. They also gave the game a more laid back tone, and had a protagonist and crew with a built in demeanor which some people liked and some people didn't. No one os wrong for liking it, and no one is wrong for disliking it. I personally never got invested in the story, and it was one of those situations where if the game didn't take itself seriously even given the stakes of what you were trying to accomplish, I really couldn't take it seriously. I also thought they did a poor job developing the enemy as something that should be feared and not just a fodder enemy. In the end I didn't think the game was great or terrible, it was just alright. Grading on a school scale I think the professional reviews on Metacritic were accurate scoring the game in the mid to low 70s. You also probably have a lot of people who put the game down, and their vision of the game is still the Addison my face is tired version of the game. I guess I'm more forgiving since patch 1.09, but all of which you said has merit. The Kett are very cliche. Very safe. And I get what you say about Ryder. You either can identify or you can't. It was very difficult for me to accept Ryder "as is." It took a playthrough and a half before I "got it." Whatever it is, it was on Keldara that I turned that corner. Game flow is a struggle for me. Like Inquisition, I literally can get sleepy getting place to place. It's like real life and no... I want to skip that or make the ride shorter. I get it's tough to fill in that huge canvas with quality material, but you need to strike a balance between investing time in riding around and slogging it through and getting to the action. I call it game flow and both Frostbite games have that issue. It's because all the slogging around had no purpose. I've said it before, that this game was perfectly set up to make the side quests meaningful. They could have made them have a direct influence on the colonies you were establishing, and then have the colonies grow or change over the course of the game. Now you're not just doing quests for AVP points, you're doing quests because your colony may start a greenhouse, a science lab, etc. You could have even tied which pods you opened to this. Now you'd be looking forward to doing sidequests because you would want to see what effect it would have on your colonies and you wouldn't have to system hop as much because the quests would be tied to the planet your were on. It was all there already in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 11:41:04 GMT
if anything, this game would have gotten a free pass for all the pandering and representation. Okay, you're another one of those people who genuinely believe "mere existence of people" = "pandering". That explains your position on Andromeda completely.
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Post by ross42899 on Jul 13, 2017 11:45:29 GMT
The game has/had some issues, but most of the criticism is out of proportion and not justified. I think the gameplay was great and I liked the story and characters for the most part. I don't have any issues with that. I would like to spend more time with my crew in possible DLC and continue to explore Andromeda galaxy.
There were some animation issues at release but they fixed most of them and personally I think the animation issues were not as bad as many claim. I only encountered like 3 or 4 major animation issues during my whole 80+ hour playthrough (e.g fused characters at one point and Ryder turning her head 180 degrees in one scene), the rest of the animation issues I encountered were some minor ones, like minor NPCs with stiff facial animations.
Many people also complain the game is extremly buggy. Personally I don't see this. I only have encountered around a dozen bugs in my playthrough (including the few animation bugs mentioned above) only two major ones were I couldn't progress a quest and had to load a save game. Rest was some minor stuff like issues with crafting certain items or finished missions not disappearing from journal and so on. So nothing really gamebreaking. I'm not saying there aren't more bugs than I personally encountered, but to say the game is a bug fest is IMO completely exeggerated. There are definitely not more bugs than in any other title that size. Just the handful of small bugs you would expect in any game.
The only thing that I didn't like were most of the small side/fetch quests. There were too many and they got boring after a while and distacted from the main and companion quests. They should have axed 30% of those small fetch quests or made them a bit more interesting and important to the main plot.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 11:55:58 GMT
if anything, this game would have gotten a free pass for all the pandering and representation. Okay, you're another one of those people who genuinely believe "mere existence of people" = "pandering". That explains your position on Andromeda completely. You're sad. RIP.
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Post by qwib on Jul 13, 2017 12:01:23 GMT
You can stop pretending the review scores were anything but gaming journalists selling their souls to the psychotic anti-BioWare trolldom. Games with actual glaring issues get mindless praise. A great game got slandered because a bunch of clickbait whores want losers who threatened the lives of women who worked on the game because Peebee doesn't turn them on to be their audience. Or you know, the game just wasn't great as you want it be Are you this delusional in life as well? Name one recent game that got mindless praise and is worse than MEA. Because this is a first, "a great game who got slandered". Internet reviewers are filled with liberals and PC people, if anything, this game could have gotten a free pass for all the pandering and representation. That occurred with the average Ghostbusters reboot despite the internet wanting it to fail really hard. B.O wise, that didn't happen. So your terrible point is irrelevant. It's just a mediocre product. You can call me a crazy, but I think Zelda BOTW is one of the most overrated games of all time. Hell, every Zelda game is overhyped for no reason. That also includes the Nintendo Switch.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 13, 2017 12:12:49 GMT
I do agree that the state MEA was released in was unacceptable and I still resent having had to pay full price to play an unfinished game. Yes I appreciate that they fixed it after the fact but I would have preferred they just delay the release a few months.
I also agree that the open world design hurts the narrative flow. I would have liked to have smaller planets with more focused main quests for each, less repetition with the outposts, vaults and architects, and absolutely no camps of respawning enemies.
As for the writing I don't think it's "fanfic-tier" aside from a few cringey one liners here and there, and I had no problems connecting to a new cast of characters. I found it more or less the same quality of the OT. Would I have liked for MEA to be the Citizen Kane of gaming? Sure, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it for what it is and not compare it to the version of it that I wished it was. That's just setting myself up to be disappointed, when I could just have fun instead.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 13, 2017 12:14:26 GMT
It's because all the slogging around had no purpose. I've said it before, that this game was perfectly set up to make the side quests meaningful. They could have made them have a direct influence on the colonies you were establishing, and then have the colonies grow or change over the course of the game. Now you're not just doing quests for AVP points, you're doing quests because your colony may start a greenhouse, a science lab, etc. You could have even tied which pods you opened to this. Now you'd be looking forward to doing sidequests because you would want to see what effect it would have on your colonies and you wouldn't have to system hop as much because the quests would be tied to the planet your were on. It was all there already in the game. I agree with that - having the colonies change and grow as a result of doing side quests would be a very good thing, even if it was largely cosmetic.
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Post by Guts on Jul 13, 2017 12:23:22 GMT
Okay, you're another one of those people who genuinely believe "mere existence of people" = "pandering". That explains your position on Andromeda completely. You're sad. RIP. I smell an internet fight. I'll get my popcorn brb. But about what you said earlier, that's my impression on the game, not bad at all, but VERY VERY flawed. I wonder if Smudboy is still making videos claiming its the worst game since E.T. for the Atari 2600.
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Post by bigbad on Jul 13, 2017 12:25:47 GMT
In a nutshell? It's an ok game but a terrible Mass Effect game. People keep saying it's the first game of a new trilogy, not the fourth game in the series, so they should get a pass. I say bullshit. If that's the case take Mass Effect out of the title. The animations are a red herring. BioWare stand or fall on their characters, dialogue and story. They fell hard this time. Pretty much this.
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Post by Guts on Jul 13, 2017 12:42:13 GMT
I do agree that the state MEA was released in was unacceptable and I still resent having had to pay full price to play an unfinished game. Yes I appreciate that they fixed it after the fact but I would have preferred they just delay the release a few months. I also agree that the open world design hurts the narrative flow. I would have liked to have smaller planets with more focused main quests for each, less repetition with the outposts, vaults and architects, and absolutely no camps of respawning enemies. As for the writing I don't think it's "fanfic-tier" aside from a few cringey one liners here and there, and I had no problems connecting to a new cast of characters. I found it more or less the same quality of the OT. Would I have liked for MEA to be the Citizen Kane of gaming? Sure, but that doesn't mean I can't enjoy it for what it is and not compare it to the version of it that I wished it was. That's just setting myself up to be disappointed, when I could just have fun instead. In terms of bugs, I personally didn't have problems with it that much, minor stuff sure, but nothing game breaking. In terms of the tasks (fetch quests) I chose to ignore all but like 3 of them of them and got through 80% of the content,and I still hadn't completed all the other side quests. ME3 was sooooo much worse in this regard, all the side quests were fetch quests but with the added bonus of a crappy journal. But you are right, Bioware should have spent more time fixing up the game, paying full price for a buggy mess isn't acceptable. I didn't find the characters boring at all though, I found them as good as some of the characters from the OT. Personal favorites being PeeBee and Drack. Some of the choices in the game were weird though like The decision to shoot/not shoot Kalinda.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 12:52:12 GMT
Facial Animations - Are now basically fixed. They're fine. Eyes look fine.
Dialogue - Lines from the NPCs change depending on the type of lines the player is most frequently selecting. This means that the dialogue is too variable to make blanket assessments of it. Some of the jankier lines only sound janky because they align with the sort of dialogue the player most frequently selects rather than the actual situation and are avoidable if different dialogue patterns are used. Also, this game is clearly meant to have a more humorous take on the story than the previous Trilogy. This lighter tone was asked/demanded for by the fans after ME3... so Bioware delivered a game with a lighter tone and now those same fans are bitching about that tone... which just shows that they never really wanted a game with a lighter tone to start with. and I'm convinced that if Bioware had delivered a game with a dark tone, the complaints would have been that the game was too dark. The fans just want to complain.
Voice Acting is generally of very high quality... nicely expressive... not generally stilted and certainly not "shrieky" or over acted (for an example of this sort of shriekiness I'll refer you to the scene in the Normandy when they are descending towards Ilos where the lines were delivered in a horrible over-acted way). I've not yet encountered any lines delivered that poorly in ME:A.
UI - I'm having absolutely no problems with it beyond my desire to be able to sort the various Journal listings alphabetically within each category.
Dialogue (second comment) - No matter what range of dialogue Bioware puts into the game, there will always be a demand for a wider range enabling a wider variance of personalties in the main character. I'm not against them continually expanding that range, but I personally am having no problem with roleplaying a less "renegading" character than Shepard this time around. I really feel that too many people just refuse to accept that this is a different story in a different galaxy with a different PC. Many are still locked on staunchly demanding a rewrite of ME3. They loved Shep too much and want to duplicate him here and just can't adapt to anything else. I like that my Ryder is a different person than any of my Shepards.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 13, 2017 12:56:57 GMT
In a nutshell? It's an ok game but a terrible Mass Effect game. People keep saying it's the first game of a new trilogy, not the fourth game in the series, so they should get a pass. I say bullshit. If that's the case take Mass Effect out of the title. The animations are a red herring. BioWare stand or fall on their characters, dialogue and story. They fell hard this time. It is first game of a new set of games (no idea why people keep saying it's a trilogy when even Bioware has never said such things) but it's also the 4th game they're making. First game "trilogy" mistakes get tossed out the window cause it's a ten year old franchise, mistakes aren't accepted at this point. Honestly I'd agree with you on this. It's an ok game on its own but it blows as a mass effect game, reminds me if halo 4 and 5.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 13:11:24 GMT
Or you know, the game just wasn't great as you want it be Are you this delusional in life as well? Name one recent game that got mindless praise and is worse than MEA. Because this is a first, "a great game who got slandered". Internet reviewers are filled with liberals and PC people, if anything, this game could have gotten a free pass for all the pandering and representation. That occurred with the average Ghostbusters reboot despite the internet wanting it to fail really hard. B.O wise, that didn't happen. So your terrible point is irrelevant. It's just a mediocre product. You can call me a crazy, but I think Zelda BOTW is one of the most overrated games of all time. Hell, every Zelda game is overhyped for no reason. That also includes the Nintendo Switch. Yeah, you're crazy
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 13:12:39 GMT
I smell an internet fight. I'll get my popcorn brb. But about what you said earlier, that's my impression on the game, not bad at all, but VERY VERY flawed. I wonder if Smudboy is still making videos claiming its the worst game since E.T. for the Atari 2600. And that's what I said. Some people just can't accept the notion that MEA is incredibly flawed, everything ranges from fine to perfection, apparently. And that's just not the case here.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 13:25:22 GMT
I smell an internet fight. I'll get my popcorn brb. But about what you said earlier, that's my impression on the game, not bad at all, but VERY VERY flawed. I wonder if Smudboy is still making videos claiming its the worst game since E.T. for the Atari 2600. ... ah yes, the picture is clear now OP... Starting yet another internet fight was your real goal in starting this thread. Bait... more subtle than usual, but still bait. 8/10 Troll points.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 13:31:57 GMT
Honestly OP, I can't really get behind a lot of the complaints surrounding ME:A and I disagree that is it heavily flawed. Does it have rough areas? Hell yes it does, but it isn't by any means a bad game. The OT shares many of ME:A's flaws to boot. Obviously ME:A came out in a seriously bugged state. I was lucky enough to only run into a few bugs that were hilarious and didn't impede progress at all, but your mileage may vary. UI is fine? Maybe just shite on peasant boxes? The facial animations complaints I get, but BioWare has always sucked at modeling and animating human/humanlike faces. Memes about BioWare's uncanny valley faces/animation have existed long before ME:A. I know that's no excuse, but it's not like the quality of faces/facial animations dropped off in ME:A. They have more or less stayed the same and now been improved with subsequent patches. The rest of the complaints I can't get behind at all and if you expected a story that took risks after the backlash to ME3's ending, then you are... out of touch. Sure, there where some cringey moments of dialogue (loved Liam's "Shot him in the face" line, btw) but there are moments of dialogue in all of the OT games that made me cringe as well. I consider that to be a problem of taste than a factual flaw. I think people are looking at ME:A through the rose-tinted lenses of nostalgia for the OT whilst forgetting how narratively mediocre the OT was. Mass Effect has always been a bit of a mess in the narrative/story/plot/writing and it relies heavily on tropes and topics already explored to death. Not exactly groundbreaking or original at all. What always made ME amazing was the characters and the setting, imho.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 13, 2017 13:32:08 GMT
I smell an internet fight. I'll get my popcorn brb. But about what you said earlier, that's my impression on the game, not bad at all, but VERY VERY flawed. I wonder if Smudboy is still making videos claiming its the worst game since E.T. for the Atari 2600. And that's what I said. Some people just can't accept the notion that MEA is incredibly flawed, everything ranges from fine to perfection, apparently. And that's just not the case here. Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 13, 2017 13:34:20 GMT
Hey guys... can we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? There's valid points on both sides of the aisle-plus your beating a dead horse right now it's been five months sense release...its just the same arguments over and over again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2017 13:43:40 GMT
Hey guys... can we just agree to disagree and leave it at that? There's valid points on both sides of the aisle-plus your beating a dead horse right now it's been five months sense release...its just the same arguments over and over again. People still debate ME3's ending my dude. The debate will never go away.
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Andrew Lucas
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 13, 2017 13:44:58 GMT
And that's what I said. Some people just can't accept the notion that MEA is incredibly flawed, everything ranges from fine to perfection, apparently. And that's just not the case here. Well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. Don't you have anything more useful to reply my post with? Are you that shaken by everyone else that you need to constantly reassure yourself of this? Jesus Christ, get your kindergarten nonsense away. You're as reliable as the next guy with a MEA avatar.
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