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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 11:52:02 GMT
To date there are 44 pages on the CDPR forum specifically for MEA game. I did not go thru the entire 44 pages of posts but did read the last 5 pages. If anything the negative is mostly from players who do not own the game and read about it and then from gamers who own and played the game which are much milder in opinion then on this forum. Personally if I would not be a Bioware gamer of the first hour I would rather read the reviews and opinions from the CDPR forum to inform myself if I should give MEA a chance then this forum. The bitterness I often see here is simply few and far between over there which makes sense on a CDPR forum. You'd care more about what the fandom with a massive and obvious inferiority complex towards BioWare thinks about a BioWare game than what the BioWare fandom thinks about a BioWare game. That makes so much sense.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 16, 2017 13:19:16 GMT
I'll take it a bit further that on top of my strong like for TFA, I'm immensely glad that Disney took over this franchise and look forward to future installments. Also, I think Rogue One is probably one of the best in the entire saga. And the EU was a rather small sacrifice overall. Eh. Rogue One was awesome and I actually really liked The Force Awakens despite how derivative it was, but I can't say I'm happy that I'll never see a film version of the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the whole Rey/Kylo thing looks like it's heading full steam ahead into the Jaina/Jacen arc anyway The rest of the EU I can live without. Admiral Daala is to the Star Wars universe what Kai Leng was to Mass Effect. I was a big fan of the "Jedi Academy" trilogy, with Kyp Duran and the Sun Crusher. I'll miss that Kyp will never be canon.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 16, 2017 13:21:04 GMT
You'd care more about what the fandom with a massive and obvious inferiority complex towards BioWare thinks about a BioWare game than what the BioWare fandom thinks about a BioWare game. That makes so much sense. Are you always this much fun? How do people at parties breathe when you're around? Limbs plz
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Post by themikefest on Jul 16, 2017 13:22:10 GMT
Still not seen any of the new star wars. Am I missing much? Neither have I. I might one day
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Post by Sharable Horizon on Jul 16, 2017 13:28:59 GMT
Borderline heresy to most, but I actually enjoyed the New Jedi Order series! Mind you it was my first exposure to the EU, so that could have something to do with it.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 16, 2017 13:52:37 GMT
Calling Kylo Ren a Sith is an insult to the term tbh. It would also be flatly wrong, as he's never named as a Sith nor does he or anyone else make the claim that he is.
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Post by bizantura on Jul 16, 2017 13:52:46 GMT
To date there are 44 pages on the CDPR forum specifically for MEA game. I did not go thru the entire 44 pages of posts but did read the last 5 pages. If anything the negative is mostly from players who do not own the game and read about it and then from gamers who own and played the game which are much milder in opinion then on this forum. Personally if I would not be a Bioware gamer of the first hour I would rather read the reviews and opinions from the CDPR forum to inform myself if I should give MEA a chance then this forum. The bitterness I often see here is simply few and far between over there which makes sense on a CDPR forum. You'd care more about what the fandom with a massive and obvious inferiority complex towards BioWare thinks about a BioWare game than what the BioWare fandom thinks about a BioWare game. That makes so much sense. Since you bothered to remove the link provided I assume you did some fact checking to come to your enlightened insight! There is nothing inferior about Bioware nor CDPR players/fans. But insults reside on this forum way more then CDPR's in fact I am hard pressed to find any. Why one can't be fans from both franchises and sane is beyond me frankly. forums.cdprojektred.com/forum/en/community/let-s-talk-about-video-games-aa/30377-mass-effect-andromeda/page43
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 16, 2017 14:08:47 GMT
Eh. Rogue One was awesome and I actually really liked The Force Awakens despite how derivative it was, but I can't say I'm happy that I'll never see a film version of the Heir to the Empire trilogy and the whole Rey/Kylo thing looks like it's heading full steam ahead into the Jaina/Jacen arc anyway The rest of the EU I can live without. Admiral Daala is to the Star Wars universe what Kai Leng was to Mass Effect. I was a big fan of the "Jedi Academy" trilogy, with Kyp Duran and the Sun Crusher. I'll miss that Kyp will never be canon. Jedi Academy felt like about 33% of a good story that was padded with junk. Kyp Durron has a pretty good intro which I have a strong suspicion is going to get mashed into Rey's origin story, and the whole background of how Luke sets up his Praxeum (particularly with that creepy Sith spirit watching the whole time) could have made a great story. However, the rest of it was weird. Daala was made out to be the next Thrawn yet she was comically useless (4 fully manned and equipped Imperial-class Star Destroyers + a decade of experimental weapons research and what did she manage... took out a defenceless colony and a half-built mon cal cruiser, holy shit guys we got ourselves a badass here). The Sun Crusher itself was a bit silly (never mind a 120km-wide planet killer, we managed to build a fighter that blows up stars! And it's invincible too! It also has a super saiyan button! ) and the long and short of the whole thing outside the jedi stuff was basically a minor uprising that didn't really need three books to tell. The EU went from bad to worse after that (ever read The Crystal Star? Seriously, finishing that should unlock an achievement). Things did get a bit better with the Hand of Thrawn books and the yuuzhan vong thing but went a bit pear-shaped after that. I don't blame them for dropping it.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 16:40:04 GMT
I was a big fan of the "Jedi Academy" trilogy, with Kyp Duran and the Sun Crusher. I'll miss that Kyp will never be canon. Jedi Academy felt like about 33% of a good story that was padded with junk. Kyp Durron has a pretty good intro which I have a strong suspicion is going to get mashed into Rey's origin story, and the whole background of how Luke sets up his Praxeum (particularly with that creepy Sith spirit watching the whole time) could have made a great story. However, the rest of it was weird. Daala was made out to be the next Thrawn yet she was comically useless (4 fully manned and equipped Imperial-class Star Destroyers + a decade of experimental weapons research and what did she manage... took out a defenceless colony and a half-built mon cal cruiser, holy shit guys we got ourselves a badass here). The Sun Crusher itself was a bit silly (never mind a 120km-wide planet killer, we managed to build a fighter that blows up stars! And it's invincible too! It also has a super saiyan button! ) and the long and short of the whole thing outside the jedi stuff was basically a minor uprising that didn't really need three books to tell. The EU went from bad to worse after that (ever read The Crystal Star? Seriously, finishing that should unlock an achievement). Things did get a bit better with the Hand of Thrawn books and the yuuzhan vong thing but went a bit pear-shaped after that. I don't blame them for dropping it. At least the old eu took risks unlike the neu which is fairly bland so far.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 16, 2017 16:43:17 GMT
I pretty much stopped caring about the post-Endor EU when Anakin Solo died. He was the only Solo kid I liked in TNJO. Don't even get me started on LOTF.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 20:09:59 GMT
Rey overcame her obstacles way too quickly and got out injury free.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 16, 2017 21:04:17 GMT
It would also be flatly wrong, as he's never named as a Sith nor does he or anyone else make the claim that he is. He isn't? Supposedly, he was Skywalker's pupil and killed all the other students IIRC, that of course is supposed to be a parallel to Vader killing the Jedi. Not that I want to deviate from the topic any further, but that doesn't make him (or indeed, anyone) a Sith. The Sith, like the Jedi, is a specific order, with a specific code of conduct, and specific training. You don't simply become a Sith just by ragequitting the Jedi. Darth Vader become a Sith by specifically asking to become the student of the then-current Sith Master, and being accepted. He then grew into the role via Sidious's training over the years. Ren is closer to a Dark Jedi but I'm not even sure he's that, given he didn't actually finish his training. He's just a really screwed up kid with a lot of strength in the Force.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 16, 2017 21:24:52 GMT
He isn't? Supposedly, he was Skywalker's pupil and killed all the other students IIRC, that of course is supposed to be a parallel to Vader killing the Jedi. Not that I want to deviate from the topic any further, but that doesn't make him (or indeed, anyone) a Sith. The Sith, like the Jedi, is a specific order, with a specific code of conduct, and specific training. You don't simply become a Sith just by ragequitting the Jedi. Darth Vader become a Sith by specifically asking to become the student of the then-current Sith Master, and being accepted. He then grew into the role via Sidious's training over the years. Ren is closer to a Dark Jedi but I'm not even sure he's that, given he didn't actually finish his training. He's just a really screwed up kid with a lot of strength in the Force. No worries. The thread topic hasn't been discussed since the first page or two.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 16, 2017 21:30:23 GMT
Not that I want to deviate from the topic any further, but that doesn't make him (or indeed, anyone) a Sith. The Sith, like the Jedi, is a specific order, with a specific code of conduct, and specific training. You don't simply become a Sith just by ragequitting the Jedi. Darth Vader become a Sith by specifically asking to become the student of the then-current Sith Master, and being accepted. He then grew into the role via Sidious's training over the years. Ren is closer to a Dark Jedi but I'm not even sure he's that, given he didn't actually finish his training. He's just a really screwed up kid with a lot of strength in the Force. I would just like to say that the nerd is strong with this one, but that's awesome, and these are important points. Not to mention this:
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 16, 2017 21:38:58 GMT
Not that I want to deviate from the topic any further, but that doesn't make him (or indeed, anyone) a Sith. The Sith, like the Jedi, is a specific order, with a specific code of conduct, and specific training. You don't simply become a Sith just by ragequitting the Jedi. Darth Vader become a Sith by specifically asking to become the student of the then-current Sith Master, and being accepted. He then grew into the role via Sidious's training over the years. Ren is closer to a Dark Jedi but I'm not even sure he's that, given he didn't actually finish his training. He's just a really screwed up kid with a lot of strength in the Force. I would just like to say that the nerd is strong with this one, but that's awesome, and these are important points. Not to mention this: You have no idea. I literally once won the tie-break quiz question in my student union by being able to give the full qualified designation of the Millenium Falcon from memory (Corellian Engineering Corporation YT-1300 Light Freighter, Modified... if you're wondering ) Seriously, Star Wars is the only subject matter I can realistically claim to be more of a nerd in then Mass Effect
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 16, 2017 21:47:07 GMT
You have no idea. I literally once won the tie-break quiz question in my student union by being able to give the full qualified designation of the Millenium Falcon from memory (Corellian Engineering Corporation YT-1300 Light Freighter, Modified... if you're wondering ) Seriously, Star Wars is the only subject matter I can realistically claim to be more of a nerd in then Mass Effect Hehe... I mean, I knew the ship was Corellian, but that's all I knew. Nicely done!
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Post by Iakus on Jul 16, 2017 22:08:17 GMT
Not that I want to deviate from the topic any further, but that doesn't make him (or indeed, anyone) a Sith. The Sith, like the Jedi, is a specific order, with a specific code of conduct, and specific training. You don't simply become a Sith just by ragequitting the Jedi. Darth Vader become a Sith by specifically asking to become the student of the then-current Sith Master, and being accepted. He then grew into the role via Sidious's training over the years. Ren is closer to a Dark Jedi but I'm not even sure he's that, given he didn't actually finish his training. He's just a really screwed up kid with a lot of strength in the Force. I would just like to say that the nerd is strong with this one, but that's awesome, and these are important points. Not to mention this: Relevant
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 1:16:25 GMT
Hmmm... All we know is that Mark Hamill really disliked the direction Luke's character was taken to... So there's that... Then he started to like it. I'm really curious what they are planning. Only thing he didn't like was his screen time. AFAIK he likes the direction they are going in.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 1:19:35 GMT
Only thing he didn't like was his screen time. AFAIK he likes the direction they are going in. Yeah the movie seems to strongly center on him and Rey with everyone else as support cast, but I am pleased Leia has more screen time than we thought. My bet is they aren't cutting any scene she was in.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 1:20:52 GMT
Only thing he didn't like was his screen time. AFAIK he likes the direction they are going in. I'm fairly sure that this wasn't his problem, I've read his response. Unless you have a source that claims otherwise? I'm not sure where I read it but there was an interview where he said he didn't even want to do it because of the screen time till he read the script.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 1:54:07 GMT
He did say he wasn't sure about what they were planning for Luke too. He said it again today in an interview. He had to let it grow on him I think. IIRC he said to the writer/creator that he vehemently objects to how he sees Luke, but of course he's going to do his best to work with that vision anyway (which is good I suppose, considering that this is his job...). That was before not now.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 17, 2017 1:56:10 GMT
IIRC he said to the writer/creator that he vehemently objects to how he sees Luke, but of course he's going to do his best to work with that vision anyway (which is good I suppose, considering that this is his job...). That was before not now. He was probably asked to tone it down a bit.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 1:57:06 GMT
He was probably asked to tone it down a bit. That's definitely a possibility
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 2:18:49 GMT
He was probably asked to tone it down a bit. That's definitely a possibility Yeah it is. Still looking forward to it.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 17, 2017 11:12:42 GMT
Tbh we don't know any of that, we don't know the nature of his relationship with Snoke (?), it is in my opinion that it is implied that he's supposed to be a Sith, or at the very least trying to become one. And considering that the movies never really went in depth into what makes a Sith, compared to the EU, it seems to me a safe assumption for the most part, especially since just about everything was made unofficial.
I'm not really sure what you're getting at here - we do know 'all of that' as it's clearly set out in the movies. The entire last prequel film is basically about joining the Sith and what that means. It's not really got anything to do with the EU. If you're questioning whether Snoke is a Sith... tbh we don't really have enough info but beyond being evil and apparently being force-sensitive, there's nothing to indicate he's Sith. He doesn't use the typical honourific and appears to ignore the Rule of Two (Ren is one of several, albeit the most powerful, Knights of Ren - seen in Rey's vision). He may still turn out to be one but given the way the story is going, I'd wouldn't be surprised if he turned out to be something else entirely. The Sith are technically an extinct order by the end of RotJ, so there'd have to be some explanation as to where he came from. As for Ren, he clearly isn't a Sith (at least not one of the order as it was presented in the previous films). As I said, simply being evil and carrying a Lightsaber doesn't make someone a Sith anymore than Han using Luke's lightsaber on Hoth makes him a Jedi. If we're speculating, I'd probably more inclined to believe Ren, Snoke et al are some kind of seperate order entirely. Maybe a Sith offshoot or some 'grey' version that sits between them. I can't imagine Luke being willing to end the Jedi while there's a Sith lord running around with an armada and his nephew.
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