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Post by vonuber on Jul 17, 2017 11:50:39 GMT
I prefer ME:A to DA:I. I just lost the will to live with DA:I, shame because I really liked some of the characters, but that gameplay... ugh. THANK YOU!! I'm not the only one. I strugglebused my way through the first playthrough. And haven't been able to get any further than Skyhold in successive attempts. Haven was the high point for me, and it was well done, but the rest I just could not do. I couldn't even bring myself to finish it. Got stuck in one of the desserts, can't remember which one, and never went back.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jul 17, 2017 11:51:35 GMT
Who knows, only time will tell what this free trial does for MEA. I tend to think that it's an admission of original sales not meeting expectations. But that's, as I said, pure speculation. I might be entirely wrong. But I'm certain that it's only a marketing move to gain additional revenue by drawing in new audiences. No deeper meaning involved. I think the game was intended for a new audience from the start, not the same fans of the OT. If they got some, then great, but where emphasis was placed in the game is telling for what audience they were aiming for.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 11:54:14 GMT
Or BioWare could have used those five years in a better way. They dug their situation by themselves. There is no way they could have known that the procedurally generated worlds wouldn't work. It's a good concept but hard to execute properly. It's easy in hindsight to say it was wasted time, however at the time it wasn't.
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Post by mmoblitz on Jul 17, 2017 12:18:52 GMT
Yes exactly this! Even as one of the biggest fan boys ever(I am drinking from an Andromeda Vortex glass right now lel) of this series/dev team gave Andromeda somewhere in between a 76 to a 78 out of 100. I do still love this game for the things it gets right and the themes it covers. Sounds right to me. I think with recent patch it could be bumped to an 8.0 though. It is pretty amazing what they did with just a few patches in 4 months. If I only judged it on everything but story, companions, and dialog I would agree with you, but if I add in those other factors it still drops to the 6 out 10 I gave it. It's just personal preference is all. I didn't like the three areas I mentioned and others do. More time wouldn't have changed my mind or score in the least unless they completely redid those areas and gave them the same attention they were given in the OT.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 13:30:36 GMT
Fully agree, OP.
Hell, I would go as to delay the game a whole year if I was a power player within EA.
All of these technical problems that earned ME:A's lambastement would have been nonexistent and the hate-train would have been the usual never-pleased BW "fans" that shit on everything except ME1.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 13:54:05 GMT
It probably destroyed the possibility of MEA2 too so hopefully lesson learned. Don't publish unfinished games. I don't think that's the lesson EA is taking from it. I'd say they were very aware the state Andromeda was and only released it when they did because they knew it wouldn't improve much with time. They just decided to cut their loses. So the lesson was that that Bioware team couldn't make a great Mass Effect game. And that's why that team likely doesn't exist anymore.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 17, 2017 14:22:38 GMT
It probably destroyed the possibility of MEA2 too so hopefully lesson learned. Don't publish unfinished games. I don't think that's the lesson EA is taking from it. I'd say they were very aware the state Andromeda was and only released it when they did because they knew it wouldn't improve much with time. They just decided to cut their loses. So the lesson was that that Bioware team couldn't make a great Mass Effect game. And that's why that team likely doesn't exist anymore. The baseline assumption for this hypothesis seems to be that the animations issue was actually trivial, despite being the public face of the game's problems. After all, those could be fixed, and in many cases have been fixed. Are you playing that for real?
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Post by cypherj on Jul 17, 2017 14:41:19 GMT
The actual early reception would have been better as there would not have been as many memes, and the early access would not have went over as badly. Also, once people get going on something they look for everything, so if there would not have been so much bad press early I doubt all of the social arguments would have occurred either.
Having said that. Even with less bugs and better animations, the game at it's core would have been the same. So if people didn't like things like the protagonist, squad, story, writing, tone, quests, world design, etc, more time would not have changed these. It would just have saved it from becoming the butt of so many jokes and memes.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 15:11:10 GMT
I don't think that's the lesson EA is taking from it. I'd say they were very aware the state Andromeda was and only released it when they did because they knew it wouldn't improve much with time. They just decided to cut their loses. So the lesson was that that Bioware team couldn't make a great Mass Effect game. And that's why that team likely doesn't exist anymore. The baseline assumption for this hypothesis seems to be that the animations issue was actually trivial, despite being the public face of the game's problems. After all, those could be fixed, and in many cases have been fixed. Are you playing that for real? They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 17, 2017 16:07:47 GMT
A lot of things could've been fixed with a delay •animations •falling through geometry •more time to balance weapons out •multiplayer stability (absolute mess on launch and I stopped playing it) •more time spent on perfecting dialogue •maybe more time to get the UI setup better and to make the inventory system something that's worth being called an inventory system. List could go on but most technical issues would've benefited from a year off. It's the meat of the game though that I doubt would improve by much cause the direction was already set in place and much of everything was already near finished when it launched.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 17, 2017 16:44:40 GMT
The baseline assumption for this hypothesis seems to be that the animations issue was actually trivial, despite being the public face of the game's problems. After all, those could be fixed, and in many cases have been fixed. Are you playing that for real? They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that. I think with more polish they would've had a good even a very good reception l, but not a great one.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 17, 2017 16:51:23 GMT
Or BioWare could have used those five years in a better way. They dug their situation by themselves. Sorry but this is kinda nonsense. Andromeda has improved on may levels than all other rprevious bioware games: Movement is top notch. Jumping feels accurate and natural. Combat is very fluid. Nomad driving and 2wd/4wd is neat. Yeah, combat is the best thing about it, despite being dumbed down with no squad commands or power wheel. We all know that. Everyone praised that, meanwhile anything else is just above average, that's why it got the reception it got. Five years.
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Post by fchopin on Jul 17, 2017 16:55:29 GMT
I prefer ME:A to DA:I. I just lost the will to live with DA:I, shame because I really liked some of the characters, but that gameplay... ugh. THANK YOU!! I'm not the only one. I strugglebused my way through the first playthrough. And haven't been able to get any further than Skyhold in successive attempts. Haven was the high point for me, and it was well done, but the rest I just could not do. Same for me, i like the game while in Haven but when i get to Skyhold i just can not continue. I had to force myself to complete the game.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 16:58:34 GMT
The baseline assumption for this hypothesis seems to be that the animations issue was actually trivial, despite being the public face of the game's problems. After all, those could be fixed, and in many cases have been fixed. Are you playing that for real? They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that. It's not good in your opinion you keep forgetting that.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 17:03:06 GMT
They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that. It's not good in your opinion you keep forgetting that. It's not good for the general audience and critics.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Jul 17, 2017 17:19:27 GMT
Sorry but this is kinda nonsense. Andromeda has improved on may levels than all other rprevious bioware games: Movement is top notch. Jumping feels accurate and natural. Combat is very fluid. Nomad driving and 2wd/4wd is neat. Yeah, combat is the best thing about it, despite being dumbed down with no squad commands or power wheel. We all know that. Everyone praised that, meanwhile anything else is just above average, that's why it got the reception it got. Five years. Give the andomeda series time. Me trilogy grew over the years. Tali and garrus and liara were nothing special at all in Me1. On the contrary on Andromeda the characters although first timers they all have depth. On every bioware game the same things over and over "it sucks, the previous was better". Be patient! (I also like the trilogy more but there is nothing wrong with andromeda)
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Post by abaris on Jul 17, 2017 17:42:37 GMT
I don't think that's the lesson EA is taking from it. I'd say they were very aware the state Andromeda was and only released it when they did because they knew it wouldn't improve much with time. They just decided to cut their loses. So the lesson was that that Bioware team couldn't make a great Mass Effect game. And that's why that team likely doesn't exist anymore. Their major mistke was to release the first 10 hours of bugged game to the general public to push Origin access. That's an own goal of the first order. Other than that, I don't think there was anything other behind the release date than the end of the fiscal year and upcoming bonusses tied to a certain amount of revenue. Maybe even the failed Origin access promotion has to be seen in lights of that.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 17, 2017 18:07:56 GMT
The baseline assumption for this hypothesis seems to be that the animations issue was actually trivial, despite being the public face of the game's problems. After all, those could be fixed, and in many cases have been fixed. Are you playing that for real? They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that. OK. Then what, in your opinion, actually doomed it?
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 19:32:23 GMT
They were some of the reasons Andromeda became such a universal joke, but they are not the reasons why Andromeda isn't a good game. I don't know how long it would take for them to rid Andromeda of the major bugs, but it wouldn't helpt the game that much. The initial recepetion maybe, but the game was doomed to bad reviews and lackluster recepetion for a long time before it was released. 6 months wouldn't change that. OK. Then what, in your opinion, actually doomed it? At the very least, Bioware lacked of a clear vision. Kotaku's article on the developing of the game that makes clear. They just wasted a huge amount of time with failed ideas, and the game seemed stuck. And maybe they lacked more. At worst, they simply lacked the talent and competence for making a great game.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 20:17:17 GMT
It's not good in your opinion you keep forgetting that. It's not good for the general audience and critics. Really? Even if you go by the Metacritic critic score that isn't a terrible score. Second going by the responses here, Facebook, Twitter etc.. counterdict your statement.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 17, 2017 20:53:38 GMT
It's not good for the general audience and critics. Really? Even if you go by the Metacritic critic score that isn't a terrible score. Second going by the responses here, Facebook, Twitter etc.. counterdict your statement. It's the worse reviewed Bioware game in history. For Bioware a 71 metacritic score is absolutely terrible. Bioware set a standard of excellenece that Andromeda doesn't come close to match. That's why it's such a disappointment. And Facebook reactions do not contradict my statement, although I suppose it's my perception x yours. It's hard to really have a measurement of that, but I'm pretty sure that by the end of the year Andromeda is very like to be in "disappointment of the year" lists, both by critics and popular vote.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 21:56:57 GMT
Really? Even if you go by the Metacritic critic score that isn't a terrible score. Second going by the responses here, Facebook, Twitter etc.. counterdict your statement. It's the worse reviewed Bioware game in history. For Bioware a 71 metacritic score is absolutely terrible. Bioware set a standard of excellenece that Andromeda doesn't come close to match. That's why it's such a disappointment. And Facebook reactions do not contradict my statement, although I suppose it's my perception x yours. It's hard to really have a measurement of that, but I'm pretty sure that by the end of the year Andromeda is very like to be in "disappointment of the year" lists, both by critics and popular vote. You're starting to sound like suikoden. So this site and Metacritic are the only ones that matter eh? Nice bubble you live in. Let's just agree to disagree on that.
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Post by abaris on Jul 17, 2017 22:15:20 GMT
You're starting to sound like suikoden. So this site and Metacritic are the only ones that matter eh? Nice bubble you live in. Let's just agree to disagree on that. Disregarding of course that the professional side of metacritic is just a collection of professional reviews around the world. In fact, most of the professional reviews I saw rate it in the 70ies. Which is a first for any AAA title. But yes, envoking suikoden without looking into a mirror. Every medal has two sides. I think I don't need to tell you that you're on the opposite side of suikoden and to be taken as seriously.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 17, 2017 22:50:06 GMT
You're starting to sound like suikoden. So this site and Metacritic are the only ones that matter eh? Nice bubble you live in. Let's just agree to disagree on that. Disregarding of course that the professional side of metacritic is just a collection of professional reviews around the world. In fact, most of the professional reviews I saw rate it in the 70ies. Which is a first for any AAA title. But yes, envoking suikoden without looking into a mirror. Every medal has two sides. I think I don't need to tell you that you're on the opposite side of suikoden and to be taken as seriously. Fair enough.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 17, 2017 23:50:49 GMT
It's the worse reviewed Bioware game in history. True, yet I would play this over DA:I for example any day of the week. Opinions eh.
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