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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 20, 2017 0:31:01 GMT
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 20, 2017 1:16:05 GMT
1. The idea that Mass Effect needs saving is dubious at best. 2. The idea that an Andromedas failures are Flynns fault is ludicrous. 3. The idea that Hudson can save me is interesting given the community's opinion of him five years ago. And given both Flynn and Mac have been.involved on ME from the beginning. damn straight
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 20, 2017 2:06:31 GMT
1. The idea that Mass Effect needs saving is dubious at best. 2. The idea that an Andromedas failures are Flynns fault is ludicrous. 3. The idea that Hudson can save me is interesting given the community's opinion of him five years ago. And given both Flynn and Mac have been.involved on ME from the beginning. damn straight This forum ever making sense is about as good as me dating Jennifer Lawrence.
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Post by bakgrind on Jul 20, 2017 2:32:32 GMT
On one hand, he helped create Mass Effect On the other hand, he helped create Mass Effect 3 Mass Effect III was not a bad game. Tuchunka, Rannoch and a lot of other parts of the game were really good. It just went downhill pretty much from the point Kai Leng showed up on Thessia until the end. It was really a bad decision on Biowares part. Just think how much better the game would of been had they cut every Kai Lame plot scene and had included From Ashes and Leviathan in the original base game instead of releasing them as dlc. Not only would the game not of lost momentum in those areas the story arc would of made more sense by supporting the ending scenario that Bioware was going for.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2017 3:08:26 GMT
1. The idea that Mass Effect needs saving is dubious at best. 2. The idea that an Andromedas failures are Flynns fault is ludicrous. 3. The idea that Hudson can save me is interesting given the community's opinion of him five years ago. And given both Flynn and Mac have been.involved on ME from the beginning. Well, there are numbers and there are perceptions. Right now, there are perceptions from a very vocal crowd that MEA was terrible or at least didn't live up to the standards of the OT. And, tbh, I know several people who don't do message boards or gaming reviews who have found it not as much to their liking as the prior games. They're not the sort to chant "death to BioWare" or anything equally stupid but they might reconsider how they spend their dollars. Regardless of whose "fault", it's not unusual at all for someone to point a finger and say "blame him". Then they get rid of that person and pretend the problem has been removed and they can move forward. This may not be the case here, exactly. Nothing indicates Flynn was fired but this smooth swap seems a little too coincidental for my tastes. Regardless of outcry, the OT sold immensely well. Even people who hated the last 10 minutes of ME3 still generally loved the game overall. Again, back to perception, Hudson can be the "problem solver" and likely learn from the ending of ME3. For the record, I think redoing the ending probably wasn't a cost-effective strategy for BioWare and so they dug in their heels.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2017 3:14:07 GMT
I think there will be 20 colors this time Yes, but 19 of them will lead to some form of Synthesis.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 20, 2017 3:54:20 GMT
1. The idea that Mass Effect needs saving is dubious at best. 2. The idea that an Andromedas failures are Flynns fault is ludicrous. 3. The idea that Hudson can save me is interesting given the community's opinion of him five years ago. And given both Flynn and Mac have been.involved on ME from the beginning. Well, there are numbers and there are perceptions. Right now, there are perceptions from a very vocal crowd that MEA was terrible or at least didn't live up to the standards of the OT. And, tbh, I know several people who don't do message boards or gaming reviews who have found it not as much to their liking as the prior games. They're not the sort to chant "death to BioWare" or anything equally stupid but they might reconsider how they spend their dollars. Regardless of whose "fault", it's not unusual at all for someone to point a finger and say "blame him". Then they get rid of that person and pretend the problem has been removed and they can move forward. This may not be the case here, exactly. Nothing indicates Flynn was fired but this smooth swap seems a little too coincidental for my tastes. Regardless of outcry, the OT sold immensely well. Even people who hated the last 10 minutes of ME3 still generally loved the game overall. Again, back to perception, Hudson can be the "problem solver" and likely learn from the ending of ME3. For the record, I think redoing the ending probably wasn't a cost-effective strategy for BioWare and so they dug in their heels. i think faceman can answer this far better then i can but MEA sold well. It's a critical success. And bioware/EA called it a success in the earnings call and that they are.looking towards the future of the franchise. The more i.think about it, like with the immediate aftermath of the Anthem reveal, i do not.think perception=reality. Though it still sucks loosing Flynn.
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Post by Astralify on Jul 20, 2017 4:02:23 GMT
Yes. Because Mass Effect was in large part his brainchild, his baby. If he can save it, he will. I don't want to be negative, but nothing can save ME now. He is being pulled back in to work on anthem, and for some reason EA thinks they can make people buy that game that way. It's a stupid marketing thing that only a fresh suit straight out of business school thinks it can work. Although, a thought has been circling in my mind for some time, and that is the possibility of Edmonton trying to salvage the wreck of andromeda through DLC - Edmonton style. It's kinda the only thing they might try to save the franchise at the moment, but (and there is a BIG BUTT) - this is not a financially viable option for the EA suits, aka no point in investing ANY kind of money into a badly received product. (plus all financial powah is focused right now on their new online-crash-grab anthem) The only money they would be spending on MEA is on patches, and just so they can "salvage" their "ruined reputation", and by that I mean not the release of a "bad" game, but a technically broken product.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2017 4:03:45 GMT
i think faceman can answer this far better then i can but MEA sold well. It's a critical success. And bioware/EA called it a success in the earnings call and that they are.looking towards the future of the franchise. The more i.think about it, like with the immediate aftermath of the Anthem reveal, i do not.think perception=reality. Though it still sucks loosing Flynn. I don't disagree with you. As I said, there's perception and there's dollars. A lot of people are vocal about MEA being a failure and then these articles come out, plus rumors, and EA does nothing to straighten things out. Perception says MEA was a failure and the studio was practically shut down as a result. Reality isn't the point. Perception is the problem. EDIT: Look at the post directly before mine. That's perception in action right there. The fairly low post count suggests that poster hasn't been here all that long so the PERCEPTION that MEA was a failure is out there.
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Post by Astralify on Jul 20, 2017 4:15:50 GMT
EDIT: Look at the post directly before mine. That's perception in action right there. The fairly low post count suggests that poster hasn't been here all that long so the PERCEPTION that MEA was a failure is out there. Don't assume/judge people by their post count. I am a old BSN veteran, but here I post just for giggles, and I have little desire to engage here more actively, since this place is kinda like an echo-chamber for deluded fanboys, most of the time (not that different from the old BSN lol). Also, are you implying that Andromeda was a success? And before you say something like "it wasn't success, but it wasn't a failure either", I will tell you that in EA's eyes, there is no middle ground.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 20, 2017 4:54:18 GMT
EDIT: Look at the post directly before mine. That's perception in action right there. The fairly low post count suggests that poster hasn't been here all that long so the PERCEPTION that MEA was a failure is out there. Don't assume/judge people by their post count. I am a old BSN veteran, but here I post just for giggles, and I have little desire to engage here more actively, since this place is kinda like an echo-chamber for deluded fanboys, most of the time (not that different from the old BSN lol). Also, are you implying that Andromeda was a success? And before you say something like "it wasn't success, but it wasn't a failure either", I will tell you that in EA's eyes, there is no middle ground. According to EA in their dialogue with their investors, they're very positive about Bioware and Mass Effect Andromeda and future Mass Effect titles. This is from the transcript of the Q4 2017 Electronic Arts Inc Earnings Call: Okay. Well, I'll answer the first 2 and we'll go from there. The first thing is Mass Effect is an interesting title. It was in development for a really long time and represented a lot of the great things that BioWare is known for: story, size, depth, breadth, imagination. And while overall the aggregate review scores were lower than we would have liked, we did have over 100 reviewers scored the game at 80 or higher. So it represents a fan base that's very passionate, looking for very particular things and many players found exactly what they're looking for and some players did not. With that said, we believe Mass Effect: Andromeda delivers a rich, deep experience, which celebrate what makes the franchise great: wonderful, beautiful, deep, rich world, amazing combat and engaging fast-paced multiplayer. New multiplayer content is continued to be released, and new content kind of arriving overall more regularly. So we're very happy with kind of how BioWare is doing, how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. And our expectations for Mass Effect are still strong for the future and the franchise overall. In terms of the new IP, the choice to move the new IP and what happened with Mass Effect are completely unrelated. The reality is, is we have a creative process. As a company, creativity and pioneering is really important for us. Now -- innovation in games is important more now than ever. And as a leader in the industry, we see it as our responsibility to innovate. And as part of that creative process, and I get to be involved in that creative process, we recognize that there was so much more opportunity in a connected network, social world to do some things in the new BioWare game that had never been done before and we don't think anyone is going to do any time soon. But by virtue of our network, our cross-platform presence and our scale, we think we can do that. And we chose to give the team some more time to deliver against that innovation because we believe players are looking for the kinds of things that we plan to put into that game. And so we're very happy with BioWare. BioWare has continued to support Mass Effect, and the new team is doing some amazing things and you'll hear more about that in the months to come.finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-ea-earnings-conference-022737730.htmlIn as far as sales figures - nobody has them. Estimates have it as the 2nd best launch of the series... https://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/6b8vw1/no_spoilers_andromeda_sales_data_thread/ and $53 million in sales (of the premium edition) was pushed to the next quarter. Now turning to net sales to discuss our business drivers for the quarter. Net sales were $1.09 billion, above our guidance of $1.075 billion and 18% higher than last year. This excludes $53 million of net sales related to premium additions of Mass Effect: Andromeda that we had originally expected to capture in -- to be captured in Q4. They will now be captured in Q1.finance.yahoo.com/news/edited-transcript-ea-earnings-conference-022737730.htmlDeluded haters will pretend to have sales figures (they don't) and they'll pretend that EA has washed their hands of ME:A (according to what they're telling their investors - they haven't).
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Post by malanek on Jul 20, 2017 5:05:42 GMT
1. The idea that Mass Effect needs saving is dubious at best. 2. The idea that an Andromedas failures are Flynns fault is ludicrous. 3. The idea that Hudson can save me is interesting given the community's opinion of him five years ago. And given both Flynn and Mac have been.involved on ME from the beginning. This basically. I do think there were likely high level decisions around MEA that didn't work out, but it wasn't a bad game. Underwhelming in the face of exceptionally high expectations and one with a lot of rough edges, but I still enjoyed it. There will at some stage be another Mass Effect game. And no one here knows exactly who was responsible for what, and what impact that had on the game. Hudson was directly involved, probably more so than Flynn, when a lot of these crucial early decisions were being made. Whether you like Anthem or not (so far I am not impressed) both Hudson and Flynn have had a hand in plotting its direction.
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Post by abedsbrother on Jul 20, 2017 5:12:23 GMT
Yes. Because Mass Effect was in large part his brainchild, his baby. If he can save it, he will. I don't want to be negative, but nothing can save ME now. He is being pulled back in to work on anthem, and for some reason EA thinks they can make people buy that game that way. It's a stupid marketing thing that only a fresh suit straight out of business school thinks it can work. Although, a thought has been circling in my mind for some time, and that is the possibility of Edmonton trying to salvage the wreck of andromeda through DLC - Edmonton style. It's kinda the only thing they might try to save the franchise at the moment, but (and there is a BIG BUTT) - this is not a financially viable option for the EA suits, aka no point in investing ANY kind of money into a badly received product. (plus all financial powah is focused right now on their new online-crash-grab anthem) The only money they would be spending on MEA is on patches, and just so they can "salvage" their "ruined reputation", and by that I mean not the release of a "bad" game, but a technically broken product. I disagree that Mass Effect is beyond saving. If Anthem is a success, Hudson will, rightly or wrongly, get a lot of credit (Anthem also started off as one of his projects). With the next Dragon Age already in the pipeline, post-launch of Anthem is the time to start floating ideas for the game they'll work on after that. Unless BioWare is planning another new franchise (or Jade Empire 2! Would love to see that), another Mass Effect game would be the perfect choice. Might not see it for another 5 years, but dead? No. There's still a lot of potential in the franchise.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 20, 2017 5:24:09 GMT
I can see another ME game being released in 2021/22.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 20, 2017 5:30:05 GMT
I can see another ME game being released in 2021/22. I'd personally guess 2020, but 21/22 isn't a bad guess for sure. I'm just thinking EA will want a launch title every year. '18-Anthem '19-DA4 '20-MEA2 Although there is that secret Star Wars new IP incoming. Anyone remember if that was Bioware specifically or just EA?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 20, 2017 5:44:05 GMT
I can see another ME game being released in 2021/22. I'd personally guess 2020, but 21/22 isn't a bad guess for sure. I'm just thinking EA will want a launch title every year. '18-Anthem '19-DA4 '20-MEA2 Although there is that secret Star Wars new IP incoming. Anyone remember if that was Bioware specifically or just EA? that's actually a very good question.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 20, 2017 6:09:16 GMT
Regardless of his contributions to the ending of ME3, it was still a great game as was ME2 and me1. At this point we only have speculation but it seems to me that EA sacked Aaryn Flynn because of the failure that was MEA and brought back Kino Casey to save the mass Effect franchise and rework that steam piling of dog crap that is ANTHEM. I considered my relationship with Bioware over after MEA and the ANTHEM reveal but a spark of hope has returned with Casey Hudson. I hope he makes Bioware great again. I hope Casey makes the game EXACTLY what you don't want it to be.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jul 20, 2017 6:43:54 GMT
I just wanted to answer YES even though the question was laughable. Guess I am having a good morning.
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Post by bizantura on Jul 20, 2017 8:04:59 GMT
I didn't know MEA needs saving. It is a slick story driven shooter after all the patches. Doubtful if Casey will bring back the discarded RPG elements back I liked so much in Bioware games. The release state was heavily negatively charged by the spin doctors worldwide and in my opinion really in an overboard way. The click bait crowd surfed that ride to death to earn a buck derailing reality further.
Until Bioware/EA give a statement, I don't know what the future of MEA will hold. Personally, I have to evaluate how much Bioware games coincide with my own preferences. I do not care for online and or coop gameplay nor the further gutting of RPG elements.
I do which Casey and Bioware team the best future possible.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 8:46:32 GMT
No prudent option like "We shall see"?
I guess OP you're not the type of guy for reasonable answers, it's just black or white. The world doesn't work like that.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 20, 2017 13:41:37 GMT
That's fake news and you know it. I need to see your absolute proof of a sacking then... a leaked separation slip or internal memo from Bioware/EA or a formal news release that they fired Flynn. Sincerely doubt you can provide that though. You're saying he was sacked simply because you want to believe he was sacked... and you have a very nasty habit of presenting your speculations and exaggerations as fact and a very obvious bias (and that can be shown through a long and extensive pattern of your posts here). You do know that it is standard practice in many organizations to allow the person being fired to leave with grace. So instead of saying that Flynn was fired over MEA, they allow him to give the appearance of him leaving on his own terms rather than the truth. It is in order to keep their credibility. Not saying that is what happened here cause maybe Flynn wasn't fired and he is telling the truth. But you can't deny that this happens all the time and people who say that they are resigning to focus on family or other aspirations were really fired but the company is allowing them to keep their credibility.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 13:50:46 GMT
I need to see your absolute proof of a sacking then... a leaked separation slip or internal memo from Bioware/EA or a formal news release that they fired Flynn. Sincerely doubt you can provide that though. You're saying he was sacked simply because you want to believe he was sacked... and you have a very nasty habit of presenting your speculations and exaggerations as fact and a very obvious bias (and that can be shown through a long and extensive pattern of your posts here). You do know that it is standard practice in many organizations to allow the person being fired to leave with grace. So instead of saying that Flynn was fired over MEA, they allow him to give the appearance of him leaving on his own terms rather than the truth. It is in order to keep their credibility. Not saying that is what happened here cause maybe Flynn wasn't fired and he is telling the truth. But you can't deny that this happens all the time and people who say that they are resigning to focus on family or other aspirations were really fired but the company is allowing them to keep their credibility. I know that... and where did you even remotely get the idea from what I posted that I was denying that does happen in corporation? It's still not proof that he was fired. So, I am choosing to take his announcement at face value. It's true, until it's proven untrue. Innocent until proven guilty... basic premise of our legal system. If you have proof that he was fired, prove it. If not, at least have the grace to admit that your (or in this case suikoden's and Dutch's) suspicions do not constitute a "superior" theory to anyone else's here. Unless his announcement is proven to be untrue, any suggestions that it is untrue are just part of a "smear" campaign on his good name.
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Post by abaris on Jul 20, 2017 14:02:13 GMT
Exactly. A single persons, talented as he may be, won't save a franchise. It needs more than one person. Most of all it needs the mother company being willing and able to invest additional funds into the franchise at this point in time.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 20, 2017 14:06:24 GMT
Poll does not compute, as Mass Effect is not in the gutter.
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