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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:11:47 GMT
which to me means it was financially successful. It doesn't look like EA agrees though. That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3?
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Post by shechinah on Jul 20, 2017 23:12:29 GMT
What evidence do you have to support that, besides pieces by the king of click-bait himself? He has zip. He's as big of a troll as suikoden. He kidnapped Zipzap2000?! That seems a little much over a video game. Although it does explain why Zip disappeared.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:14:24 GMT
He has zip. He's as big of a troll as suikoden. He kidnapped Zipzap2000?! That seems a little much over a video game. Although it does explain why Zip disappeared.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 20, 2017 23:17:24 GMT
It doesn't look like EA agrees though. That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3? DS3 also needed to sell 5m copies. I don't know what's the obsession with that number.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:19:46 GMT
That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3? DS3 also needed to sell 5m copies. I don't know what's the obsession with that number. That certainly goes to show how ludicrous EA's sales goals are, especially for more niche games. DS and ME ain't CoD. They ain't gonna sell gangbusters like CoD seemingly always does. Question is, how well did DS3 sell?
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 20, 2017 23:24:59 GMT
It doesn't look like EA agrees though. That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3? EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. A writeup of that investor's call. LinkEdit: added link
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 20, 2017 23:26:11 GMT
That certainly goes to show how ludicrous EA's sales goals are, especially for more niche games. DS and ME ain't CoD. They ain't gonna sell gangbusters like CoD seemingly always does. Question is, how well did DS3 sell? If VGChartz is to be trusted, a little less than 2.2m retail copies. No idea how many digital copies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:27:16 GMT
That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3? EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. True, and I'm sure there is something too it, but since it was consider to be a failure (I loved that damn game! ) to EA, its sales numbers would give us a benchmark to compare ME:A's sales numbers against. I'm just not good at finding this information.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:28:34 GMT
That certainly goes to show how ludicrous EA's sales goals are, especially for more niche games. DS and ME ain't CoD. They ain't gonna sell gangbusters like CoD seemingly always does. Question is, how well did DS3 sell? If VGChartz is to be trusted, a little less than 2.2m retail copies. No idea how many digital copies. And, from what we can gather, ME:A sold much better than that. Hmm. I would say ME:A sold well enough to get by, but not as much as EA would have liked.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 20, 2017 23:29:22 GMT
EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. True, and I'm sure there is something too it, but since it was consider to be a failure (I loved that damn game! ) to EA, its sales numbers would give us a benchmark to compare ME:A's sales numbers against. I'm just not good at finding this information. It is hard to find that information since EA rarely releases sales figures, even the "10 million copies sold" bragging other companies do, EA avoids that. Its always been speculation and estimates with no real numbers from EA. If they talk about games it would be comments like "Best selling Mass Effect game" like they did with Mass Effect 3 or "Best BioWare launch" with Inquisition. Edit: To Add. I think this is probably one of the more comprensive culmulations of information out there available to the public. I not saying you should believe all the conclusions for I have problems with one or two myself, but I think it is a good place to find information on Andromeda sales for I doubt we will get anything more then this unless EA puts a lot into their next Investors report next week. Reddit Breakdown
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:31:11 GMT
True, and I'm sure there is something too it, but since it was consider to be a failure (I loved that damn game! ) to EA, its sales numbers would give us a benchmark to compare ME:A's sales numbers against. I'm just not good at finding this information. It is hard to find that information since EA rarely releases sales figures, even the "10 million copies sold" bragging other companies do, EA avoids that. Its always been speculation and estimates with no real numbers from EA. If they talk about games it would be comments like "Best selling Mass Effect game" like they did with Mass Effect 3 or "Best BioWare launch" with Inquisition. OdanUrr found data that puts DS3 at 2.2 million. Sources we have put ME:A at ~3.2 million or something like that. ME:A's numbers are much better than DS3's.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 20, 2017 23:32:03 GMT
I bought MET from the Playstation Store - all digital. Actually, I've probably purchased more console games digitally than on disc. You're part of the 33% then representing full-game digital downloads from EA in 2017. Just some of Max's food for thought, and I don't have data, but those numbers might not be true for MEA. Remember, that's an average across all EA game genres. Their heavy hitter titles, Fifa and Madden, are much more likely to be bought hard copy, because many people playing those want to trade them in the next year for the new version. I have many friends that do that. You can't do that digitally, so those numbers would be lower. Other sources have stated digital sales being 40-50% of the industry. Why lower for EA? Well, the yearly games, like I said. Also the fact that Origin isn't as popular as other digital mediums (Steam). So while for EA that is the average, you can't assume that that number is accurate for MEA specifically.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 20, 2017 23:33:04 GMT
That would depend. We know that Dead Space 3 was a failure in EA's eyes. Enough so to kill the franchise. Did ME:A do as badly as DS3? EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. A writeup of that investor's call. LinkEdit: added link Actually, here's what they said about Dead Space 3 after it's perceived lacklustre release. Sound familiar? "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an Electronic Arts spokesperson informed Joystiq.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 20, 2017 23:34:13 GMT
I'm sure patching ambient music in those empty of life planets would help boost the sales. Do it like Black Flag please.
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Post by malgus on Jul 20, 2017 23:36:23 GMT
EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. A writeup of that investor's call. LinkEdit: added link Actually, here's what they said about Dead Space 3 after it's perceived lacklustre release. Sound familiar? "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an Electronic Arts spokesperson informed Joystiq. So they said that to a journalist, not to investors. Not the same thing they did with MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:38:19 GMT
True, and I'm sure there is something too it, but since it was consider to be a failure (I loved that damn game! ) to EA, its sales numbers would give us a benchmark to compare ME:A's sales numbers against. I'm just not good at finding this information. It is hard to find that information since EA rarely releases sales figures, even the "10 million copies sold" bragging other companies do, EA avoids that. Its always been speculation and estimates with no real numbers from EA. If they talk about games it would be comments like "Best selling Mass Effect game" like they did with Mass Effect 3 or "Best BioWare launch" with Inquisition. Edit: To Add. I think this is probably one of the more comprensive culmulations of information out there available to the public. I not saying you should believe all the conclusions for I have problems with one or two myself, but I think it is a good place to find information on Andromeda sales for I doubt we will get anything more then this unless EA puts a lot into their next Investors report next week. Reddit BreakdownI have used that same Reddit post in arguments like this. So far, it seems to be the best we have, to me anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:38:33 GMT
That seems reasonable, since VGChartz is accounting for 1.56 million units sold in physical sales on the two console platforms alone. which to me means it was financially successful. Again, I'll say take it for what you will. All I'm getting out of it is that there is no way to accurately obtain sales data on video games. Even the methodology page at VG Chartz calls their data "estimates" and explains that they use tactics such as just "passively polling" gamers to find out what games they are playing and polling their "retail partners" and then extrapolating that data into their charts. I admit I'm not scouring their site, but I couldn't even spot a list of their retail partners to judge, for instance, whether or not Xbox Live is sending them data. Also, the most recent weekly chartz on the site is for June 10th... that means no data yet correlating to Bioware's opening up the free trial on all platforms... and most of that probably results in a digital sale, even on the consoles since very few people would bother to run out and buy a disk and reload everything from the disk if all that's needed is to unlocked the rest of the game after their free trial. www.vgchartz.com/methodology.php
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Post by malgus on Jul 20, 2017 23:40:32 GMT
You're part of the 33% then representing full-game digital downloads from EA in 2017. Just some of Max's food for thought, and I don't have data, but those numbers might not be true for MEA. Remember, that's an average across all EA game genres. Their heavy hitter titles, Fifa and Madden, are much more likely to be bought hard copy, because many people playing those want to trade them in the next year for the new version. I have many friends that do that. You can't do that digitally, so those numbers would be lower. Other sources have stated digital sales being 40-50% of the industry. Why lower for EA? Well, the yearly games, like I said. Also the fact that Origin isn't as popular as other digital mediums (Steam). So while for EA that is the average, you can't assume that that number is accurate for MEA specifically. Indeed, Origin is not as big as steam, so they will have less digital sales than any other company. But electronic arts makes more money with each sales they do on origin because they don't have to share it for servers or platforms, when they make a sale of their own game, they make all the money. Which means they don't need as much sales as other publisher that sell only on steam, because EA make more money with less sales.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 23:45:47 GMT
I bought MET from the Playstation Store - all digital. Actually, I've probably purchased more console games digitally than on disc. You're part of the 33% then representing full-game digital downloads from EA in 2017. Not quite. I bought MET in 2014.
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About that Goodwill link you've posted. As mentioned by kino and others. Target regularly puts donates excess inventory to Goodwill. There are still copies of the game at Target. Ah geez, not this shit again. This ridiculous subject has been argued to death. Don't get drawn into it, man.
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Let's do some reading between the lines. EA just happened to have a recent franchise that had a perceivedly weak instalment akin to Andromeda. Thoughts? Or are these similarities just happenstance? DS3: "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an EA spokesperson told Eurogamer. MEA: "We’re very happy with how BioWare is doing and how BioWare is treating Mass Effect. Our expectations for the Mass Effect IP are strong for the future."DS3: "VideoGamer's source claims EA executives informed Visceral Montreal last month... with details of the company's restructuring plans." MEA: “With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development.” DS3: "EA believed Dead Space 3 could comfortably outsell its predecessors, with company CEO John Riccitiello saying he could see the game selling 5 million units. EA announced Dead Space 3 pre-orders were "outpacing" those for Dead Space 2 in January's earnings call, although the publisher didn't disclose by what margin." MEA: "EA didn’t actually mention Mass Effect: Andromeda in its earnings release, even though this was the publisher’s only major game that came out during the fourth fiscal quarter ended March 31." "EA has gone on the record to say its core game franchises need to sell upwards of five million copies to remain viable."www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-05-ea-cans-dead-space-series-following-poor-sales-of-dead-space-3-reportwww.engadget.com/2013/03/05/report-dead-space-4-canceled-after-poor-dead-space-3-sales/venturebeat.com/2017/05/09/eas-ceo-still-has-faith-in-bioware-after-mixed-mass-effect-andromeda-reviews/
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EA spoke poorly of Dead Space, but in the last investors call Q4 2016, they said they were happy with BioWare and Mass Effect. A writeup of that investor's call. LinkEdit: added link Actually, here's what they said about Dead Space 3 after it's perceived lacklustre release. Sound familiar? "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an Electronic Arts spokesperson informed Joystiq. Here is another article from Joystiq where EA told their investors that Dead Space 3 didn't meet expectations during an investors call. Joystiq/Engadget
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Actually, here's what they said about Dead Space 3 after it's perceived lacklustre release. Sound familiar? "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an Electronic Arts spokesperson informed Joystiq. Here is another article from Joystiq where EA told their investors that Dead Space 3 didn't meet expectations during an investors call. Joystiq/EngadgetBetter put all of this in the new thread made by suido, he has made a thread just for that...
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Actually, here's what they said about Dead Space 3 after it's perceived lacklustre release. Sound familiar? "While we have not announced sales for Dead Space 3, we are proud of the game and the franchise remains an important IP to EA," an Electronic Arts spokesperson informed Joystiq. So they said that to a journalist, not to investors. Not the same thing they did with MEA. They completely ignored ME:A in their earnings call UNTIL someone asked them about it. Doesn't that seem strange considering it was their only AAA game released during the quarter?
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