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Post by unclemonster on Jul 25, 2017 11:41:26 GMT
He did all that yet he's here claiming that you can't do platinum without an infiltrator, while there are people posting vids of clearly there being success without one. Soloing on an infiltrator is not soloing, its turning off the enemy offensive... so your basically running around just shooting things that barely shoot at you. Now if he post a video of him doing those things on a human or krogan engineer, I'll give my ultimate respect, but dude, i'm not falling for infiltrator :poop: ! You judge people as leet in a PvE game? You run around shooting bots that do the same thing they do in bronze. There is no elite in mass effect multiplayer, and there never was. Until there is PvP.... oh... the fun. I only ask that you post a Platinum solo since it is so easy...(with or without infiltrator is fine by me) It should be easy for you "its turning off the enemy offensive... so your basically running around just shooting things that barely shoot at you" you should be able to get this done today, right?
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 25, 2017 11:56:17 GMT
I think you hit the nail on the head when you point but that people play too defensively. People need to up their aggression. A dead enemy can't kill you. Just go kill it. The game is harder when you aren't aggressive... This works when you have 4 "A" level players on the squad. When you only have 2-3 "A" players and the others are "B or C" level, you need to exercise a little more caution. 1 or 2 weaker links changes everything.
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Post by biggydx on Jul 25, 2017 13:25:07 GMT
My team can do Platinum. We just don't think it's that fun; largely because of Hack/Upload. You shouldn't have to be pressured into using Infiltrator or Debuff kits (I fully believe Snap Freeze Debuff will get nerfed), but it can feel that way at times. I think most people have said their peace on how Platinum difficulty should/should not be reworked. Personally, I feel Platinum would make for an easier time if it wasn't so damn hard to get valuable boosters past Rank I. I have such a jarring discrepancy between my Rank I and Rank II boosters it ain't even funny; moreso for higher ranks as well.
Hacks can definitely be a make or break for Platinum completions, and I wouldn't be surprised if Biowares numbers showed that. I never had an issue with Hack being interruptible, just that Upload shouldn't be.
I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum.
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 14:28:54 GMT
My team can do Platinum. We just don't think it's that fun [...] I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum. This, and this. Two thises. These! That's the word. Unfortunately I think the boss spam is here to stay; that was the design in ME3 and now in MEA. Because of all the armor and fat HP sponges it does make CC characters less fun and effective. *sigh* Bioware has finally mimicked the previous game's design... in the one area where we don't want them to.Oh yeah and inb4 everyone tells me to git gud with <insert CC character X here> on Plat. Yes, I'm sure we will all eventually be solo-ing Plat with the Kineticist or whatever; that doesn't change the fact that certain characters aren't really optimized for armor / boss spam.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 25, 2017 14:42:03 GMT
... I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum. This. Removal of variety isn't fun. 3MP plat wasn't that attractive for the same reason.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Jul 25, 2017 14:56:40 GMT
Just so that I follow all 4 pages of this: If you're not elite you should be able to tank a hack with a level 1 Vanguard and 3 N7 69 PuGs? And if you can't it's proof that Plat is too easy? If hacks could be completed by any character they would be too easy, but using any specific character to do it makes you a scrub? I'd forgotten how confusing sorting through lessons from the elite can be!
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 15:07:59 GMT
It's like I've always said:
Everything that you use is OP and proves your scrubbiness.
Everything that I use, I do it for the challenge, to prove my elite-ness.
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Post by JulianVerse on Jul 25, 2017 15:25:02 GMT
... I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum. This. Removal of variety isn't fun. 3MP plat wasn't that attractive for the same reason. Huh? What about ME3 platinum removed variety?
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Post by Beerfish on Jul 25, 2017 15:29:55 GMT
I am finding even objectives that were previously pretty easy are now potentially very hard in gold,let alone plat. Have had a few fails on devices and pizza lately simple because the mobs are too fast, spawn to quickly and too close.
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Post by Pounce de León on Jul 25, 2017 15:36:27 GMT
I am finding even objectives that were previously pretty easy are now potentially very hard in gold,let alone plat. Have had a few fails on devices and pizza lately simple because the mobs are too fast, spawn to quickly and too close. Ye, I stopped playing cos of that. It's a fricken Benny Hill show now.
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Post by gethadept on Jul 25, 2017 15:54:58 GMT
I am finding even objectives that were previously pretty easy are now potentially very hard in gold,let alone plat. Have had a few fails on devices and pizza lately simple because the mobs are too fast, spawn to quickly and too close. I noticed 2 days ago that device now only give us 35 seconds to defuse. WTF....
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Post by jloco11 on Jul 25, 2017 16:04:51 GMT
Devices & pizzas? Really? I see those on platinum and I breathe a sigh of relief! Even without invisibility, I'm ok with those (except devices in the most horrible spots). I know seeing those, the mission won't fail.
Bosses are fine, except when you get the damn Progenitor who eats damage for breakfast. (At least you can lure the Behemoth & Blaze Hydra to where you want them.... Progenitor sits there like an asshole).
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Post by JRandall0308 on Jul 25, 2017 16:10:45 GMT
Devices timer scales by difficulty. I believe it is 45s on Bronze, ??? on Silver, 38s on Gold, and 35s (?) on Platinum.
Any latency will cause you not to notice the timer until it ticks below that, of course.
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 25, 2017 16:15:26 GMT
My team can do Platinum. We just don't think it's that fun; largely because of Hack/Upload. You shouldn't have to be pressured into using Infiltrator or Debuff kits (I fully believe Snap Freeze Debuff will get nerfed), but it can feel that way at times. I think most people have said their peace on how Platinum difficulty should/should not be reworked. Personally, I feel Platinum would make for an easier time if it wasn't so damn hard to get valuable boosters past Rank I. I have such a jarring discrepancy between my Rank I and Rank II boosters it ain't even funny; moreso for higher ranks as well. Hacks can definitely be a make or break for Platinum completions, and I wouldn't be surprised if Biowares numbers showed that. I never had an issue with Have being interruptible, just that Upload shouldn't be. I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum. Platinum itself isn't very difficult. The missions are really the only thing that pose a threat. A cloaker or 2 typically make them pretty easy, although a poorly placed hack can still kill a mission. I 100% agree, the booster issue needs reworked. When they added the garbage dump, they took away the high level booster chances until rares are again maxed. Consumables should NOT drop in packs 50k or higher (only boosters) or they should sell a booster only pack in store. I personally would prefer no consumables dropping in packs 50k and up. The other thing that needs reworked are the vet bonuses. I cannot even believe they made it the same for all kits, very, very lazy.
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Post by Beerfish on Jul 25, 2017 16:15:55 GMT
Devices & pizzas? Really? I see those on platinum and I breathe a sigh of relief! Even without invisibility, I'm ok with those (except devices in the most horrible spots). I know seeing those, the mission won't fail. Bosses are fine, except when you get the damn Progenitor who eats damage for breakfast. (At least you can lure the Behemoth & Blaze Hydra to where you want them.... Progenitor sits there like an asshole). Yes, even on gold. Had a team this am that was playing pretty well but no infil on what is usually thought of as the easiest map (FBZero) got a pizza in one of the inner areas, we get the 1st one okay, 2nd one the guy gets killed. the whole inner area is crammed with enemies. Used two missiles to try and clean them out, the next group spawns just outside the door and comes rushing in, two krogans and two adhi. We simply could not kill them fast enough, had no infils, had no time to try and kite away (even when you do that the enemies are so fast now that they get back on top of you in seconds. After our 1st guy got stomped we had no chance at all. This was not a power group but were certainly not stumbling bums either.
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Post by JulianVerse on Jul 25, 2017 16:19:37 GMT
The bigger problem is that the timer starts at 35, but the object doesn't even show up for 3 seconds, then you have to spin around 9 times to figure out where it is (pretty much the opposite corner of the map), decide on the best route to get there and PRAY TO FUCKING ANYTHING that it's relatively clear when you show up with 14 seconds left, because if your squad wasn't as lucky to not get hit on the way there as you were, those two krogan flak cannons are sure as fuck gonna be fun.
I like the individual timers for that objective, but ffs, it should be like a minute. Short enough to be hurried, but long enough to be able to execute a plan. Right now that shit might as well be a bingo minigame.
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Post by jloco11 on Jul 25, 2017 16:32:35 GMT
Devices & pizzas? Really? I see those on platinum and I breathe a sigh of relief! Even without invisibility, I'm ok with those (except devices in the most horrible spots). I know seeing those, the mission won't fail. Bosses are fine, except when you get the damn Progenitor who eats damage for breakfast. (At least you can lure the Behemoth & Blaze Hydra to where you want them.... Progenitor sits there like an asshole). Yes, even on gold. Had a team this am that was playing pretty well but no infil on what is usually thought of as the easiest map (FBZero) got a pizza in one of the inner areas, we get the 1st one okay, 2nd one the guy gets killed. the whole inner area is crammed with enemies. Used two missiles to try and clean them out, the next group spawns just outside the door and comes rushing in, two krogans and two adhi. We simply could not kill them fast enough, had no infils, had no time to try and kite away (even when you do that the enemies are so fast now that they get back on top of you in seconds. After our 1st guy got stomped we had no chance at all. This was not a power group but were certainly not stumbling bums either. The devices I can understand because of the individual timers... but 5 minutes for the 4 pizzas? Were the PUGs using the basic Predator & Katana or something? I remember when the game was messed up and sync kills would end the pizza deliveries. Player gets picked up, and the pizzas disappeared for the remainder of the round. Those were always dicey and had potential to fail. But ever since they removed the sync kills, I figured pizzas were probably the easiest objective now.
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Post by paunchycyclops on Jul 25, 2017 17:57:33 GMT
Not 100% sure but I think hack is now like how uploads used to be where it doesn't matter if more than 1 person is in the circle. Well, there is some nice ignorance of the game on display there. I think that's some decent evidence on the credibility front.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Jul 26, 2017 0:09:06 GMT
Not 100% sure but I think hack is now like how uploads used to be where it doesn't matter if more than 1 person is in the circle. Well, there is some nice ignorance of the game on display there. I think that's some decent evidence on the credibility front. You aren't very comprehensive are you? Lets just say my credibility is 0, so you feel better sweetheart.
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Jul 26, 2017 0:16:06 GMT
He did all that yet he's here claiming that you can't do platinum without an infiltrator, while there are people posting vids of clearly there being success without one. Soloing on an infiltrator is not soloing, its turning off the enemy offensive... so your basically running around just shooting things that barely shoot at you. Now if he post a video of him doing those things on a human or krogan engineer, I'll give my ultimate respect, but dude, i'm not falling for infiltrator :poop: ! You judge people as leet in a PvE game? You run around shooting bots that do the same thing they do in bronze. There is no elite in mass effect multiplayer, and there never was. Until there is PvP.... oh... the fun. I only ask that you post a Platinum solo since it is so easy...(with or without infiltrator is fine by me) It should be easy for you "its turning off the enemy offensive... so your basically running around just shooting things that barely shoot at you" you should be able to get this done today, right? This will never, ever, ever, ever happen. Unless there is literally a challenge like in ME3 where you get something from platinum solo. (in the range of free UR pack) This will never go down, ever! I don't care to platinum solo, its a waste of my time, there is absolutely nothing I will gain from doing one. Posting it wont prove, or back up my point at all. (killa just posted my point but clearly people don't care to read) And like I said earlier in this same thread, I don't youtube or record my vids, sorry, old man style. Make of it what you will .
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Post by t41rdeye on Jul 26, 2017 9:07:51 GMT
Ronnie. Ronnie...
Would you kindly stfu
Your posts are annoying and resemble someone in the throws of a manic episode or crack binge. You talk a big game but I've played with you. Not to put too fine a point on it, but totally trash worst BSNer I've ever played with. *shots fired, grabs popcorn*
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Post by RonnieBlastoff on Jul 26, 2017 10:14:42 GMT
Ronnie. Ronnie... Would you kindly stfu Your posts are annoying and resemble someone in the throws of a manic episode or crack binge. You talk a big game but I've played with you. Not to put too fine a point on it, but totally trash worst BSNer I've ever played with. *shots fired, grabs popcorn* nice lie. About you ever playing MEAMP with me that is, everything else is true.
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Post by unclemonster on Jul 26, 2017 11:44:51 GMT
This will never, ever, ever, ever happen. Unless there is literally a challenge like in ME3 where you get something from platinum solo. (in the range of free UR pack) This will never go down, ever! I don't care to platinum solo, its a waste of my time, there is absolutely nothing I will gain from doing one. Posting it wont prove, or back up my point at all. (killa just posted my point but clearly people don't care to read) And like I said earlier in this same thread, I don't youtube or record my vids, sorry, old man style. Make of it what you will . Fair enough. I also wish the rewards were better for solo. I myself have yet to try it. I might attempt it this weekend. I've read all the posts. My stance is still that you do need one cloaker in Platinum for the missions. We can agree to disagree on this.
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Jul 26, 2017 11:45:08 GMT
... I also don't like the boss spam approach Bioware keeps taking with Platinum. It breeds difficulty, yes, but it also feels artificial and makes certain characters far less viable to use on Platinum. This. Removal of variety isn't fun. 3MP plat wasn't that attractive for the same reason. Exactly, I avoided ME3's Platinum difficulty like the plague, it just wasn't fun. Never ended waves of like 5 of every factions bosses all at once every wave.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 17:44:54 GMT
I also wish the rewards were better for solo. I myself have yet to try it. I might attempt it this weekend. Yeah, that's one of the oddities with developers trying to "encourage" specific approaches to gameplay. I expect the extraction bonus credits are intended to promote coop teamwork - if any of your teammates doesn't make extraction, the entire team loses some credits. So it becomes sort of a trade-off. A smaller team (or solo) means more XP (and points for challenges) available per player, but fewer credits at extraction time.
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