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Post by apocalypticham on Jul 24, 2017 9:10:21 GMT
Hi guys. ME will always be my favorite series. No doubt about that. After a long hiatus from gaming, I've decided to start another trilogy run. Please don't misunderstand my intentions. I'm not trying to instigate a flame war or something, it's just that most of my friends have moved on from gaming/ME I don't think they care anymore I'd never realized how much I didn't like the quarians up until now. I'm thinking hard for reasons but can't really say why, might elaborate later. I never cared about Tali much, and every time the quarians told me about their problems in ME2 I was just like . So, what I really want to say is: I want to like them, I really do. Anyone who went from "God I hate them" to "Now I love them"? So far the quarians are the only part I really hate about the OT, a freaking imperfection. I know some of you might think that I'm overreacting, but..I hate them to a point that I don't want to do any quest related to quarians, and I wonder why people love them so much?? At least from I've seen throughout the years, the like-dislike ratio is around 4:1.
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Post by sugarless on Jul 24, 2017 11:09:48 GMT
I love Tali, but the rest of them can burn in hell for all I care oops except, Kal'Reegar Save
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Post by themikefest on Jul 24, 2017 13:55:52 GMT
Kal"Reegar is the best quarian. I prefer having Xen on the dreadnought instead of Tali
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 24, 2017 16:14:18 GMT
I like a selective number of quarians but, no, I generally don't like them. Hate the admirals. More than happy to punch Han'Gerrel in the gut. Wish I could have done the same to Zaal'Koris in ME2 but I'm sure that would have screwed up Tali's loyalty mission.
But, for example, the mother of Jona who experiments with geth parts and gets herself killed. Then the father of Jona puts boots on the ground of Rannoch when it isn't safe rather than send someone who's death won't make his son an orphan. Terrible parenting on their part.
Korris had to be told my Shepard that, yes, leaders have to lead. Gerrel doesn't understand that you don't murder your allies or fellow admirals when you could wait 20 minutes and still blow up the disabled ship. Xan is okay but she really doesn't want to cross me - and doesn't get that.
All that said, I wouldn't destroy an entire race because I hate how it's run.
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Post by MarilynRobert on Jul 24, 2017 17:50:26 GMT
Once I met Kal'Reegar I became a Quarian lover...before that I could take them or leave them.
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Post by stephenw32768 on Jul 24, 2017 18:50:51 GMT
Did someone say quarians? I've been a fan since ME1. It was a due to both Tali's demeanour (I found her combination of metaphorically wide-eyed enthusiasm and a serious sense of duty to be appealing) and the information she provided about quarian culture. Of the various races that we meet in ME1, the quarians are the most like us, I think; and the easiest to identify with. Their sense of community resonates with me; I think that they're written as an idealized version of how humans might live together in such difficult circumstances. The novel Ascension expands on their way of life in quite some detail. I only read it recently, and it further cemented how I view them. The quarians push my "sympathy" buttons. They are treated unfairly by the galactic community in general, I think; victims of racial abuse, dismissed as unwanted parasites by many. (It is telling that in the mini-quest with the indentured quarian on Illium in ME2, no-one (not even Shepard!) bothers to ask her what her name is). I think this is an allegory for the way that refugees are treated by some elements of Western society. They deserve understanding and assistance, not rejection. The current generation of quarians are not responsible for the Migrant Fleet's situation; the sins of their fathers should not be held against them. Props to the Terra Nova engineers who employed quarians to assist on Asteroid X57. The Admirals, unfortunately, are a pretty sorry bunch. Gerrel is a hot-headed war-hawk; Rael'Zorah was reckless and arrogant; Raan is indecisive and easily swayed; Xen is likely insane. Only Koris seems halfway reasonable. But I do not think that the quarians as a people should be held responsible for their leaders' failings. So yeah, that's me. Quarians
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Post by obbie1984 on Jul 24, 2017 22:28:57 GMT
I generally prefer the Geth over the Quarians, but some of the Quarians are cool. Tali is a pretty good character. I think Kal'Reegar is awesome as well. Koris is also likable and I like his stance on the war over the other quarians. Raan isn't that bad either and Xen has Claudia Black voicing her even if she is crazy.
And generally I like playing as the female quarians in multiplayer. They have such cute and charming accents. But I don't have anything against the Quarians in general, but they aren't a favorite. Some of their arcs can be boring however. In ME3, the Rannoch arc is much weaker than the Tuchancka arc for example.
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Post by brfritos on Jul 25, 2017 4:18:34 GMT
Kal"Reegar is the best quarian. I prefer having Xen on the dreadnought instead of Tali You know, that's the strange thing about ME3: Xen and not-Mordin Padok are very good characters and add TONS to the game. The sad thing is you can't have Tali and Mordin to have them with you.
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Post by sugarless on Jul 25, 2017 7:59:42 GMT
All that said, I wouldn't destroy an entire race because I hate how it's run. Me neither. I always go out of my way to achieve peace between the quarians and the geth. I remember feeling absolutely wretched the first time I played ME3 without having enough paragon/renegade points and a proper ME2 save (due my old pc's hard-disk dying) to convince the quarians to cease fire. I felt that ME3 didn't portray them in a way that attracted empathy or sympathy easily. Firing on the dreadnought, refusing to cease fire and their treatment of the Geth (as seen in the geth server archives) was both atrocious and hypocritical. Save
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Post by apocalypticham on Jul 25, 2017 15:44:12 GMT
They are treated unfairly by the galactic community in general, I think; victims of racial abuse, dismissed as unwanted parasites by many. (It is telling that in the mini-quest with the indentured quarian on Illium in ME2, no-one (not even Shepard!) bothers to ask her what her name is). I think this is an allegory for the way that refugees are treated by some elements of Western society. I think you've just helped me understand my growing hatred towards them from ME1-->ME3. Thank you for your reply For me at least, the writers tried way too hard victimizing the quarians in ME1 to a point of annoyance. It almost seemed to me that they realized they might have played the victim card too hard and too often, so they decided to remedy that by adding flawed/obnoxious quarian characters in later games to make them feel more "human" and "relatable" (especially the way they showed the origin of the Morning War through Legion's consensus mission in ME3), if you know what I mean. But unfortunately that made me dislike them even more because this kind of writing is not what I consider an organic one. It's clichéd as f*ck for me. Call me cold-blooded or apathetic or whatever, the supposedly sympathetic history of their race does nothing for me emotionally.
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Post by brfritos on Jul 25, 2017 19:18:19 GMT
Did someone say quarians? The quarians push my "sympathy" buttons. They are treated unfairly by the galactic community in general, I think; victims of racial abuse, dismissed as unwanted parasites by many. (It is telling that in the mini-quest with the indentured quarian on Illium in ME2, no-one (not even Shepard!) bothers to ask her what her name is). I think this is an allegory for the way that refugees are treated by some elements of Western society. They deserve understanding and assistance, not rejection. The current generation of quarians are not responsible for the Migrant Fleet's situation; the sins of their fathers should not be held against them. Props to the Terra Nova engineers who employed quarians to assist on Asteroid X57. The Admirals, unfortunately, are a pretty sorry bunch. Gerrel is a hot-headed war-hawk; Rael'Zorah was reckless and arrogant; Raan is indecisive and easily swayed; Xen is likely insane. Only Koris seems halfway reasonable. But I do not think that the quarians as a people should be held responsible for their leaders' failings. So yeah, that's me. Quarians Don't know. What you say is correct, they are treat unfairly by other races while some others like... cof, cof... humans do things like they did. For example, creating VIs that evolve into AIs. And then trying to kill it. Yet you don't see humans being regarded as scoundrels of the galaxy. In fact the other races fear humanity because we are strong and can alter the status quo of the galaxy. Which we do during the course of the game. And we are the new gang around. On the other hand the quarians are always pushing things to the limit. Trying to exterminate VIs that evolved into AIs, experiments on captured beings, causing trouble along other species border, involving other races into their own problems. There's also an allegory regarding the quarians to our own history, where leaders of other nations sometimes commit atrocities and even genocide but when inquired they think it was justified and for the greater good. Remember your discussion with Hackett after the dreadnought mission? He states he understands the quarian desperation to recover their own world. If the position is reversed, do we humans won't behave like them? Like I said, I don't know. I don't hate the quarians, in fact, I think their history is very interesting. But I always try to keep the goals in mind if I have to make a choice between them. What's the purpose of our war? Who will give me the best resources if I'm unable to achieve peace between the two? Who will fight better on the ground? Who will fight better in the space? The two sides have extremelly redeem qualities, is not an easy answer. And since we are talking about them, I'm curious: are the geth "alive"? They can be considered living beings? The destruction of the quarians is heart breaking, but the geth dying is not easy to watch too.
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Post by yan on Jul 25, 2017 19:39:00 GMT
I love Tali, but the rest of them can burn in hell for all I care oops except, Kal'Reegar SaveSame. In fact, Tali's conversations I least like are her talking about her people (which would be 90% of her participation in ME 1 haha). Edit: oh, I like Koris too. Qwib-Qwib XD
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 17, 2017 3:43:12 GMT
I, too, got sick of quarians by the time ME3 finished. Tali being aboard Normandy in ME3, combined with her silly (but not unanticipated) promotion to admiral did much to turn me against them. Weekes' insistence that his waifu must be aboard was not a good enough reason for her to be a squaddie. Their ill timed war to retake Rannoch did the rest.
I guess I wouldn't mind seeing them, and all the rest of the missing MW species, in DLC or a sequel. (I'm not holding my breath.) I'm sure these quarians would have an outlook and focus different from those of the Admiralty.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Aug 17, 2017 4:25:37 GMT
They are treated unfairly by the galactic community in general, I think; victims of racial abuse, dismissed as unwanted parasites by many. (It is telling that in the mini-quest with the indentured quarian on Illium in ME2, no-one (not even Shepard!) bothers to ask her what her name is). I think this is an allegory for the way that refugees are treated by some elements of Western society. I think you've just helped me understand my growing hatred towards them from ME1-->ME3. Thank you for your reply For me at least, the writers tried way too hard victimizing the quarians in ME1 to a point of annoyance. It almost seemed to me that they realized they might have played the victim card too hard and too often, so they decided to remedy that by adding flawed/obnoxious quarian characters in later games to make them feel more "human" and "relatable" (especially the way they showed the origin of the Morning War through Legion's consensus mission in ME3), if you know what I mean. But unfortunately that made me dislike them even more because this kind of writing is not what I consider an organic one. It's clichéd as f*ck for me. Call me cold-blooded or apathetic or whatever, the supposedly sympathetic history of their race does nothing for me emotionally. And yet the way the Quarians are treated are not that far off from how the world has treated races, ethic/religious groups. There are people trying to flee from a war that has destroyed their home and almost everything they own. And there are a disproportional large number of people (IE more then 1) who in responds to this have the reaction of "we can't let no brown people in our country they might be terrorists." Every day they participate in activities that have a higher chance of death then allowing those people to settle here to have a decent life. But that kind of treatment isn't really new in the world anyways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis900 Jewish refugees were fleeing from Nazi occupied territories and was denied the ability to land in Cuba, USA and Canada requiring them to return to Europe. With historians estimating that at least 25% of those passengers died in Nazi death camps. I personally like the Quarians. Tali from the very start admits that the Quarians fucked up in creating the Geth and for going to war with them. They think everything they did was still justified because that is what people do. You, me, everyone. This entire forum is based around that basic concept that their own opinion is justified no matter what anyone else might think. So I can't really fault the Quarians for that line of reasoning when literally everyone does it.
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Post by sahlie on Sept 3, 2017 8:18:04 GMT
I don't like them, at all. And I hate to have Tali onboard for three games. Sometimes I side with the geth just to avoid her on the Normandy, even if I can achieve peace between them, even if I loose a lot of assets
So, OP, if you find a way to like them, let me know!
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Post by themikefest on Sept 3, 2017 11:41:37 GMT
I don't like them, at all. And I hate to have Tali onboard for three games. Sometimes I side with the geth just to avoid her on the Normandy, even if I can achieve peace between them, even if I loose a lot of assets So, OP, if you find a way to like them, let me know! I'm not a fan of having Tali onboard as well. What I do in a lot of my ME2 playthroughs is not recruit Tali. Of course that means someone will die because the SR2 has no shields.
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Post by sahlie on Sept 3, 2017 12:33:08 GMT
I don't like them, at all. And I hate to have Tali onboard for three games. Sometimes I side with the geth just to avoid her on the Normandy, even if I can achieve peace between them, even if I loose a lot of assets So, OP, if you find a way to like them, let me know! I'm not a fan of having Tali onboard as well. What I do in a lot of my ME2 playthroughs is not recruit Tali. Of course that means someone will die because the SR2 has no shields. Yeah... I did that one as well, but I prefer to recruit her and then let her die in the suicide mission.
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Post by Upggrade on Sept 3, 2017 21:19:16 GMT
The Geth managed to boot them completely off of their own planet during their intellectual infancy. They then spent 300 years floating around either doing nothing or being a nuisance. When they finally grow a pair and try to take their dirt ball back they get their asses kicked and need saving. Their pathetic immune systems render them useless for ground combat and their fleet is mostly made of civilian junkers.
I was neutral about the walking encyclopedia up until Rannoch. If you pick the Quarians, Legion fights. If you pick the Geth, Tali cries then kills herself. Pathetic. Her rabid lunatic fanbase didn't help her image either.
Space hobos, can't use them, don't want them.
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Post by boxofscreaming on Sept 3, 2017 22:02:24 GMT
One of them was voiced by Claudia Black and another by Simon Templeman. Ergo they are great.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 5, 2017 1:56:56 GMT
The Geth managed to boot them completely off of their own planet during their intellectual infancy. They then spent 300 years floating around either doing nothing or being a nuisance. When they finally grow a pair and try to take their dirt ball back they get their asses kicked and need saving. Their pathetic immune systems render them useless for ground combat and their fleet is mostly made of civilian junkers. I was neutral about the walking encyclopedia up until Rannoch. If you pick the Quarians, Legion fights. If you pick the Geth, Tali cries then kills herself. Pathetic. Her rabid lunatic fanbase didn't help her image either. Space hobos, can't use them, don't want them. This was the thing I never got. Even if they wanted to eventually reclaim their homeworld, wouldn't it have made more sense to settle a planet? Sure, it might take generations to acclimate to the new world. So what? Better than NEVER and having your immune system shot all to hell due to living on space ships. Idiocy.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 5, 2017 2:05:00 GMT
This was the thing I never got. Even if they wanted to eventually reclaim their homeworld, wouldn't it have made more sense to settle a planet? Sure, it might take generations to acclimate to the new world. So what? Better than NEVER and having your immune system shot all to hell due to living on space ships. Idiocy. Yep. Had they did that shortly after the geth drove them off Rannoch, its possible they may have adapted to whatever planet they're on by now. The geth/quarian conflict may never have happened as the reapers invade the Milky Way
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 2:58:19 GMT
I think you've just helped me understand my growing hatred towards them from ME1-->ME3. Thank you for your reply For me at least, the writers tried way too hard victimizing the quarians in ME1 to a point of annoyance. It almost seemed to me that they realized they might have played the victim card too hard and too often, so they decided to remedy that by adding flawed/obnoxious quarian characters in later games to make them feel more "human" and "relatable" (especially the way they showed the origin of the Morning War through Legion's consensus mission in ME3), if you know what I mean. But unfortunately that made me dislike them even more because this kind of writing is not what I consider an organic one. It's clichéd as f*ck for me. Call me cold-blooded or apathetic or whatever, the supposedly sympathetic history of their race does nothing for me emotionally. And yet the way the Quarians are treated are not that far off from how the world has treated races, ethic/religious groups. There are people trying to flee from a war that has destroyed their home and almost everything they own. And there are a disproportional large number of people (IE more then 1) who in responds to this have the reaction of "we can't let no brown people in our country they might be terrorists." Every day they participate in activities that have a higher chance of death then allowing those people to settle here to have a decent life. But that kind of treatment isn't really new in the world anyways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis900 Jewish refugees were fleeing from Nazi occupied territories and was denied the ability to land in Cuba, USA and Canada requiring them to return to Europe. With historians estimating that at least 25% of those passengers died in Nazi death camps. I knew it wouldn't take long for the "real world comparisons" to show up.
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Post by apocalypticham on Sept 5, 2017 6:10:47 GMT
As the OP, I need to clarify that I am not stating that real life inequalities should be ignored/I have no sympathies for the unfortunates and/or the oppressed. I was referring to QUARIANS, the imaginary race in the imaginary universe of Mass Effect, in case anyone's getting any ideas.
That being said, now I feel like I've taken this matter way too seriously than I should ever had. Hopefully this will be the end of the thread.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 5, 2017 12:22:59 GMT
And yet the way the Quarians are treated are not that far off from how the world has treated races, ethic/religious groups. There are people trying to flee from a war that has destroyed their home and almost everything they own. And there are a disproportional large number of people (IE more then 1) who in responds to this have the reaction of "we can't let no brown people in our country they might be terrorists." Every day they participate in activities that have a higher chance of death then allowing those people to settle here to have a decent life. But that kind of treatment isn't really new in the world anyways. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MS_St._Louis900 Jewish refugees were fleeing from Nazi occupied territories and was denied the ability to land in Cuba, USA and Canada requiring them to return to Europe. With historians estimating that at least 25% of those passengers died in Nazi death camps. I knew it wouldn't take long for the "real world comparisons" to show up. Ever get the feeling that game developers can often draw inspiration for events in the game based on events that happened in the real world? It is almost as if the events that take place in ME universe are not real. And were scripted by a bunch of individuals that live in the same world as us. And can re purpose preexisting problems or history to suit a particular narrative in the universe.
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Post by gothpunkboy89 on Sept 5, 2017 12:30:19 GMT
As the OP, I need to clarify that I am not stating that real life inequalities should be ignored/I have no sympathies for the unfortunates and/or the oppressed. I was referring to QUARIANS, the imaginary race in the imaginary universe of Mass Effect, in case anyone's getting any ideas. That being said, now I feel like I've taken this matter way too seriously than I should ever had. Hopefully this will be the end of the thread. But here is the thing the Quarian problems have many either intentional or unintentional parallels to many real world problems. The setting might be different and it might be a game but it hits fairly close to reality in many ways. And for someone to dismiss it be it game or not is a bit off putting. Because the Quarians are the same faceless nameless group like any other refugee ground for people who don't actually have to deal with them. If I had a dollar for each time someone on the net or real life said that (insert group) shouldn't be fleeing to the USA they should just stay and improve their own country. I could buy a house in New York.
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