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Post by eamon696 on Jul 24, 2017 19:54:34 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way?
Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans.
What do y'all think?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 19:56:47 GMT
Not likely. Too many issues with going back other than a prequel story.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 24, 2017 20:00:47 GMT
Well...the eventual goal of the A.I. was to: " establish a permanent presence on the seemingly resource-rich frontier of Andromeda and eventually create a reliable route between it and the Milky Way Galaxy." I would like to see a couple of games in Andromeda before that actually happens though. Considering the state of MW at the end of 3 with no Mass Relays that seems unlikely. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Andromeda_Initiative |
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 24, 2017 20:05:03 GMT
It would be an overreaction so there is a chance for BioWare likes to overreact to what people criticize about their games. The problems people have with Andromeda wasn't due to the setting there were more core problems and even if they were in the Milky Way it would have been panned just as much.
Personally I rather they stay in Andromeda for I would probably want to remove myself from all places like this because it would be then "This game failed because there wasn't Shepard and crew".
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Post by corsair on Jul 24, 2017 20:07:14 GMT
I think the next ME game should be the sequel to Andromeda. But I was wondering what Mac Walters mean with this, at the end of the answer (that's from an interview on GameSpot):
" One of the things that we were thinking about yesterday in relation to the ending was like, it felt like a suicide mission for BioWare. Like you guys have to account for so many variables in ending a story, which means it's almost impossible to do that. You have a series about giving people the options to make decisions, to find their own characters, create their own path for a story, and then to end that, to put a full stop in that story, you have to take that away from them for a moment and wrap it up. It's difficult to see how it'd all end well. How are you thinking about that for this game and perhaps the games that follow it? You're given more options to create your own story than ever. Inevitably, you're going to reach a point where you'll need to wrap it up. How are you going to do that and try to avoid the same mistakes again?
I think one of the things is we're approaching each game to be a little bit more standalone, even though I said there's a lot of mystery in it that will carry forward, but we want each game to stand on its own and feel like it has a satisfactory conclusion. Even just the type of game that we're making now: This is the first Mass Effect game we'll make where, when the story ends, the game continues. The world continues and there's much more you can still do.
Whenever we get to, we'll call it the last Andromeda--for now--game, it'll very likely be a game that feels like it continues even past the story and people can still stay in the world and see the characters that they love and be invested in. I think, even just that in and of itself is probably going to change the way people perceive it. Who knows? By then, maybe people will be ready to go back to the Milky Way. "
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Post by themikefest on Jul 24, 2017 20:28:37 GMT
I don't have a problem with going back to the Milky Way
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 24, 2017 20:30:02 GMT
I doubt it for now. There's no real reason to abandon Andromeda yet. The most complaints people had about the game were not because it was set in Andromeda. Sure, some griped about the lore with the ODSY drives, and many missed Shep and the gang, but I don't think even if we were to return to the Milky Way that Shep and co. would show up again.
When they make MEA2, they'll look at what people complained about the most for MEA and work on them. Animations and glitches, obviously, CC, those kinds of basic things. Mostly people wanted more cohesive writing, more risky story, etc. They can do that for MEA2, because from what we had heard, if you believe it, is that most of the dialogue and story had to be written in a very short amount of time following the failure of the No Man's Sky-type format they originally wanted. I think Bioware has the talent, they just didn't have the time and the focus required to make it top notch for this game. Now, I had no real problem with the dialogue or the story. I found it enjoyable, and especially the dialogue, in it's more Whedon-esque fashion, was good for me. But those were the complaints others had, and there's no reason that they can't be "fixed" for MEA2. Oh, fetch quests, too, I guess. We'll see how Bioware took those complaints to heart when DA4 comes out in 2019 or so.
Anyway, TLDR, No, there's no reason to go back to the Milky Way, as the complaints for MEA weren't due to setting.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 20:36:43 GMT
At this point, I'd have more issues with them taking this series back to the Milky Way before we even get a chance to realize on any of the amazing potential story lines they've opened up for themselves in Andromeda. If they plan on pandering to the lot who absolutely refused to give this game any sort of chance because it wasn't set in the Milky Way, I hope they plan to go forward with 2 separate Mass Effect series rather than one. I want to see what happens in Andromeda. The Shepard vs. the Reapers story was finished at the end of ME3. I've wanted to move on... and now that I have, I don't want to go back.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 24, 2017 20:40:59 GMT
The game had more problems than simply setting it in Andromeda.
Granted that didn't help....
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 20:42:34 GMT
I don't have a problem with going back to the Milky Way I'm curious how you expect that to even be possible. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 24, 2017 20:46:56 GMT
I don't have a problem with going back to the Milky Way I'm curious how you expect that to even be possible. A reboot? That what Andromeda tried to be, after all. |
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Post by malgus on Jul 24, 2017 20:58:32 GMT
I defended BW for years and continue to do it because they make awesome game, but if they intend to just abandon the andromeda settings to cash on nostalgia.  they started a story in Andromeda And I want it to be finished, you just don't leave a plot or a story there unfinished. It would not fix any problem if they return to the milky way, they will piss off many people by imposing a canon ending. Its not because they return to the milky way that suddenly the people dissapointed by ME 3 ending will be brought back. Neither will it brought back the people dissapointed by MEA, because even among the one who hated the game wants to know the mystery of the andromeda galaxy. We already have our answer for the milky way, if they decide to never give it for the andromeda setting, it will piss off even more of their fans. I for exemple did not liked DA 2, but I still wanted to see where the story goes from there. And Dragon age 2 was not received well by the gamers, and 3 years after its release, we saw dragon age inquisition that was much more a sequel to DA 2 than it was to DAO. Not totally in terms of gameplay but especialy for story, Corypheus was the main villain of inquisition and he came from DA 2 legacy, the red lyrium that came from DA 2 was heavily present in DAI and especially with the red templars. The war against the qunari both introduced with the arishok and tallis dlc came back in the final part of the main story (tresspasser). The first act and introduction of inquisition is to put an end of the mage and templar war which is exactly where DA 2 ended. We get to see hawke during the story and not the warden from DAO. DAI is much more the child of DA 2 storywise. BW do what they want to do, they don't abandon a settings when it does not suits them anymore. If they wanted to continue the milky way, they could have done it years ago but they did not. So if they want to go on in the andromeda galaxy, they will. No developper should tell the story their fans want them to tell, they should write the story they want to do not what is the most popular. So if they are forced to return to the milky way against their will because executives wants to bank on nostalgia... No I don,t see it and if BW does it, I will lose some respect for them. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:01:39 GMT
I'm curious how you expect that to even be possible. A reboot? That what Andromeda tried to be, after all. No offense but hell no. I know you don't like Andromeda but there is no need for a reboot. The only way ahead is forward not back. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:02:43 GMT
I defended BW for years and continue to do it because they make awesome game, but if they intend to just abandon the andromeda settings to cash on nostalgia. they started a story in Andromeda And I want it to be finished, you just don't leave a plot or a story there unfinished. It would not fix any problem if they return to the milky way, they will piss off many people by imposing a canon ending. Its not because they return to the milky way that suddenly the people dissapointed by ME 3 ending will be brought back. Neither will it brought back the people dissapointed by MEA, because even among the one who hated the game wants to know the mystery of the andromeda galaxy. We already have our answer for the milky way, if they decide to never give it for the andromeda setting, it will piss off even more of their fans. I for exemple did not liked DA 2, but I still wanted to see where the story goes from there. And Dragon age 2 was not received well by the gamers, and 3 years after its release, we saw dragon age inquisition that was much more a sequel to DA 2 than it was to DAO. Not totally in terms of gameplay but especialy for story, Corypheus was the main villain of inquisition and he came from DA 2 legacy, the red lyrium that came from DA 2 was heavily present in DAI and especially with the red templars. The war against the qunari both introduced with the arishok and tallis dlc came back in the final part of the main story (tresspasser). The first act and introduction of inquisition is to put an end of the mage and templar war which is exactly where DA 2 ended. We get to see hawke during the story and not the warden from DAO. DAI is much more the child of DA 2 storywise. BW do what they want to do, they don't abandon a settings when it does not suits them anymore. If they wanted to continue the milky way, they could have done it years ago but they did not. So if they want to go on in the andromeda galaxy, they will. No developper should tell the story their fans want them to tell, they should write the story they want to do not what is the most popular. So if they are forced to return to the milky way against their will because executives wants to bank on nostalgia... No I don,t see it and if BW does it, I will lose respect for them. I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 24, 2017 21:07:53 GMT
A reboot? That what Andromeda tried to be, after all. No offense but hell no. I know you don't like Andromeda but there is no need for a reboot. The only way ahead is forward not back. I'm not sure. As I see it, the only way to go foward is to start again, again. That means an "Andromeda 2" would be a soft reboot of a soft reboot. New characters, new protagonist, maybe some 50 years into the future so that the shape of the Cluster is very new. Although I'm sure some people would like to see a direct sequel, I don't see it happening. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 24, 2017 21:11:03 GMT
I'm curious how you expect that to even be possible. Choose an ending, destroy, and go from there. Choose a different ending from the ones seen in the game. The guy did say the details have changed over time. I'm sure the story told to him was different from the story he told the kid. Bring in another team to continue in the Milky Way while the current team working on Andromeda continues in Andromeda As mentioned above, reboot. |
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Post by malanek on Jul 24, 2017 21:18:26 GMT
The Milky Way just had so much more depth and canvas for a story. All the aliens, all the politics, all the corporations, the planets, all lore developed over hundreds of cerberus/alliance daily news bulletins. Moving to a new galaxy was always going to be a risk imo.
There are opportunities for a different types of stories in either galaxy, in the Milky way there is a system of order and even after a ME3 destroy ending any sort of external galaxy wide threat can be confronted by the combined fleets. So a Kett story wouldn't work without powering them up a lot (and you shouldn't overdo that), otherwise you would just alert the fleets and blow them away. Milky way stories would be more like all the smaller sub stories told in ME2. In Andromeda you can do a Kett story because you have virtually no resources.
I enjoyed playing Andromeda, and once you hand wave away the way they got there (which was complete bollocks both in creativity and adherence to lore) I found the story good enough. But it certainly wasn't great. It didn't help that it was an open world game, but I think even with a tighter game it still would have felt somewhat shallow in terms of the story compared to one set in the milky way. Overall I think they need to bite the bullet and set the next game in a post destroy milky way and basically retcon all the technology that allowed them to get to Andromeda. It was a mistake for the Mass Effect world that has done a lot of damage.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:35:29 GMT
I'm curious how you expect that to even be possible. Choose an ending, destroy, and go from there. Choose a different ending from the ones seen in the game. The guy did say the details have changed over time. I'm sure the story told to him was different from the story he told the kid. Bring in another team to continue in the Milky Way while the current team working on Andromeda continues in Andromeda As mentioned above, reboot. No absolutely not. I've said this even during the ending debates back in 2012, canonization of an ending is a terrible idea and will never work. No reboot continue with Andromeda. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:37:06 GMT
No offense but hell no. I know you don't like Andromeda but there is no need for a reboot. The only way ahead is forward not back. I'm not sure. As I see it, the only way to go foward is to start again, again. That means an "Andromeda 2" would be a soft reboot of a soft reboot. New characters, new protagonist, maybe some 50 years into the future so that the shape of the Cluster is very new. Although I'm sure some people would like to see a direct sequel, I don't see it happening. More than some. However as long as we stay in Andromeda I'll be happy but much happier if they stay with Ryder. Bioware has never gone backwards when criticized they won't now. |
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Post by themikefest on Jul 24, 2017 21:43:07 GMT
No absolutely not. I've said this even during the ending debates back in 2012, canonization of an ending is a terrible idea and will never work. No reboot continue with Andromeda. Because you want your choices to matter? |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:45:16 GMT
No absolutely not. I've said this even during the ending debates back in 2012, canonization of an ending is a terrible idea and will never work. No reboot continue with Andromeda. Because you want your choices to matter? Yeah not falling for it.  |
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Post by kino on Jul 24, 2017 21:48:01 GMT
hah! No, I seriously doubt that. BioWare's been pretty adamant about not picking a canon ending to the original trilogy. Going back to the MW would require that and I don't see that happening.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 24, 2017 21:52:16 GMT
Don't see any issue with going back to MW galaxy, has same potential as Andromeda when 99% of it has been unexplored.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 24, 2017 21:53:56 GMT
Don't see any issue with going back to MW galaxy, has same potential as Andromeda when 99% of it has been unexplored. Nah MW is done Let It Go! |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2017 22:03:33 GMT
Don't see any issue with going back to MW galaxy, has same potential as Andromeda when 99% of it has been unexplored. Sorry, it doesn't. The potential in Andromeda exists with the story lines they've opened up for themselves in Andromeda. Bioware finished the story they were telling in the Milky Way. The Milky Way galaxy they created was only created to tell that story and we've seen all of it that they did create. It's a set piece for that particular story... that is all. People going on about 99% unexplored is like if people who saw a play taking place in one New York apartment and that playwright's next play takes place in Tuscon whined "but we haven't seen all of New York yet?" It really makes no sense. Dense as people want to be about it, they have been saying for years... Shepard's story is finished... done. Bioware moved onto telling a new Mass Effect story and that story clearly is not finished... and it is being told in the Andromeda galaxy. |
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