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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 1:31:15 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 25, 2017 1:33:41 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though. I did wonder if they would do the Dragon Age thing and use a different protagonist for each game. You could still hear about what the Ryder twins were up to, but you would play as someone else. I would prefer to stay as Ryder, but I can understand the appeal of only loosely-tied games to the devs.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 25, 2017 1:38:52 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though. If they do this, with that and Dragon Age, I don't know how many different space/fantasy lesbians I can create.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 1:41:56 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though. I did wonder if they would do the Dragon Age thing and use a different protagonist for each game. You could still hear about what the Ryder twins were up to, but you would play as someone else. I would prefer to stay as Ryder, but I can understand the appeal of only loosely-tied games to the devs. Yeah, give them more freedom and less headache. They can keep Ryder too without it being a sequel like how the MET was done. It can be self-contained and not reliant on the previous game.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 25, 2017 1:45:03 GMT
I did wonder if they would do the Dragon Age thing and use a different protagonist for each game. You could still hear about what the Ryder twins were up to, but you would play as someone else. I would prefer to stay as Ryder, but I can understand the appeal of only loosely-tied games to the devs. Yeah, give them more freedom and less headache. They can keep Ryder too without it being a sequel like how the MET was done. It can be self-contained and not reliant on the previous game. Agreed. While it was a cool concept, we all saw how it kind of fell apart in ME3, with all the "duplicate" characters needed to replace those who could have died in ME1 and ME2. Sure, they could have written the story around that and had more impact from your decisions, but given that ME3 came out only 2 years after ME2 and it needed to have a coherent story, that would have been more than a nightmare than I'm sure it already was. I like the idea of more self-contained stories, more immediate consequences, more nuanced moral decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 1:49:12 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though. If they do this, with that and Dragon Age, I don't know how many different space/fantasy lesbians I can create. Maybe you'll be able to create that one with pink hair wearing nothing but garters like you've always wanted?
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 25, 2017 1:49:58 GMT
Do we actually have data to support the Italed? Very few systems on the map don't have anyplace to dump drive charge. It's not really the systems. It's the distance between clusters. You can move around a cluster using just FTL. There are places to discharge and the systems are close enough together. But clusters themselves are too far apart to go without the ODSY drive. But clusters are just an artifact of the relay system. It's not like there are 100-LY gaps between clusters. In fact, the ME2 map gives examples of batarians entering Omega's cluster via standard FTL rather than via relay.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 25, 2017 2:01:20 GMT
If they do this, with that and Dragon Age, I don't know how many different space/fantasy lesbians I can create. Maybe you'll be able to create that one with pink hair wearing nothing but garters like you've always wanted? Alas, this filthy console peasant can only dream.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 25, 2017 2:03:45 GMT
I hope BW stays in Andromeda but ditches the Ryders. The OT is "perfect" as it is and it'd be better to keep it that way. I don't want to see it ruined like Halo.
A new writing team will have an easier time filling in Andromeda because BW Montreal did almost nothing with it. The MW is a tangled mess that needs too much work to unravel. Andromeda would give them the opportunity to write and explore their own ideas. The writing team can also concentrate on worldbuilding much better if they get rid of the Ryders and follow the DA model.
Andromeda had several structural problems but the setting itself was brilliant.
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Post by Guts on Jul 25, 2017 2:19:03 GMT
If there is a sequel to Andromeda, or even some major future updates, I think Mac Walters should NOT be the creative director, whether people feel he should be a writer is subjective. But I think it can be agreed upon that, for a Mass Effect game, there needs to be a much better creative director.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 25, 2017 2:31:57 GMT
I defended BW for years and continue to do it because they make awesome game, but if they intend to just abandon the andromeda settings to cash on nostalgia. they started a story in Andromeda And I want it to be finished, you just don't leave a plot or a story there unfinished. It would not fix any problem if they return to the milky way, they will piss off many people by imposing a canon ending. Its not because they return to the milky way that suddenly the people dissapointed by ME 3 ending will be brought back. Neither will it brought back the people dissapointed by MEA, because even among the one who hated the game wants to know the mystery of the andromeda galaxy. We already have our answer for the milky way, if they decide to never give it for the andromeda setting, it will piss off even more of their fans. I for exemple did not liked DA 2, but I still wanted to see where the story goes from there. And Dragon age 2 was not received well by the gamers, and 3 years after its release, we saw dragon age inquisition that was much more a sequel to DA 2 than it was to DAO. Not totally in terms of gameplay but especialy for story, Corypheus was the main villain of inquisition and he came from DA 2 legacy, the red lyrium that came from DA 2 was heavily present in DAI and especially with the red templars. The war against the qunari both introduced with the arishok and tallis dlc came back in the final part of the main story (tresspasser). The first act and introduction of inquisition is to put an end of the mage and templar war which is exactly where DA 2 ended. We get to see hawke during the story and not the warden from DAO. DAI is much more the child of DA 2 storywise. BW do what they want to do, they don't abandon a settings when it does not suits them anymore. If they wanted to continue the milky way, they could have done it years ago but they did not. So if they want to go on in the andromeda galaxy, they will. No developper should tell the story their fans want them to tell, they should write the story they want to do not what is the most popular. So if they are forced to return to the milky way against their will because executives wants to bank on nostalgia... No I don,t see it and if BW does it, I will lose some respect for them. There's a first time for everything though - Bioware's never had a game trashed as hard as Andromeda either.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 25, 2017 2:33:31 GMT
I defended BW for years and continue to do it because they make awesome game, but if they intend to just abandon the andromeda settings to cash on nostalgia. they started a story in Andromeda And I want it to be finished, you just don't leave a plot or a story there unfinished. It would not fix any problem if they return to the milky way, they will piss off many people by imposing a canon ending. Its not because they return to the milky way that suddenly the people dissapointed by ME 3 ending will be brought back. Neither will it brought back the people dissapointed by MEA, because even among the one who hated the game wants to know the mystery of the andromeda galaxy. We already have our answer for the milky way, if they decide to never give it for the andromeda setting, it will piss off even more of their fans. I for exemple did not liked DA 2, but I still wanted to see where the story goes from there. And Dragon age 2 was not received well by the gamers, and 3 years after its release, we saw dragon age inquisition that was much more a sequel to DA 2 than it was to DAO. Not totally in terms of gameplay but especialy for story, Corypheus was the main villain of inquisition and he came from DA 2 legacy, the red lyrium that came from DA 2 was heavily present in DAI and especially with the red templars. The war against the qunari both introduced with the arishok and tallis dlc came back in the final part of the main story (tresspasser). The first act and introduction of inquisition is to put an end of the mage and templar war which is exactly where DA 2 ended. We get to see hawke during the story and not the warden from DAO. DAI is much more the child of DA 2 storywise. BW do what they want to do, they don't abandon a settings when it does not suits them anymore. If they wanted to continue the milky way, they could have done it years ago but they did not. So if they want to go on in the andromeda galaxy, they will. No developper should tell the story their fans want them to tell, they should write the story they want to do not what is the most popular. So if they are forced to return to the milky way against their will because executives wants to bank on nostalgia... No I don,t see it and if BW does it, I will lose some respect for them. There's a first time for everything though - Bioware's never had a game trashed as hard as Andromeda either. Mass Effect 3?
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Post by Seera1024 on Jul 25, 2017 2:33:31 GMT
I'd like another game with Ryder. I don't feel that their story is done. Or at least not done enough to put in the background permanently.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 25, 2017 2:35:41 GMT
There's a first time for everything though - Bioware's never had a game trashed as hard as Andromeda either. Mass Effect 3? DA 2? DA I?
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Post by anarchy65 on Jul 25, 2017 2:35:44 GMT
It will be difficult to tell the story on Milky Way after the ending of Mass Effect 3, because the entire galaxy would be totally different depending on your final choice. That's why they created Andromeda, to run away from the main plot. Andromeda isn't quite the problem.
But I think the next game shouldn't have Ryder as the main character. They could invent another. Maybe a rebel that fled from the Initiative and is trying to create a base on their own? And you could choose how to deal with Initiative: Violence, sabotage or just ignoring them. They did it in DA2, and The Warden was far more loved than Ryder. This would also let us be renegades again, since we are not tied to the Initiative
Anyway, I think Ryder is a weak main character and THAT could be changed.
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Post by malgus on Jul 25, 2017 2:47:41 GMT
There's a first time for everything though - Bioware's never had a game trashed as hard as Andromeda either. Mass Effect 3? Actually dragon age 2 was just as trashed as MEA, still got a story continuation.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 25, 2017 2:52:41 GMT
Actually dragon age 2 was just as trashed as MEA, still got a story continuation. An amazing continuation. Seriously one of the reasons I'm not that worried about MEs future. BioWare really learned from their lessons in DA 2 and improved on the game in almost every way with Inquisition. Well...a few ways. hmm.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 25, 2017 2:53:12 GMT
There is always a first time for everything, agreed. There's always the chance that some people might not fall for an online hoax hook, line, and sinker without first verifying it's authenticity, while at the same time claiming their altruistic intent to bring "truth" to new members of the forums.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 25, 2017 3:00:41 GMT
It will be difficult to tell the story on Milky Way after the ending of Mass Effect 3, because the entire galaxy would be totally different depending on your final choice. That's why they created Andromeda, to run away from the main plot. Andromeda isn't quite the problem. But I think the next game shouldn't have Ryder as the main character. They could invent another. Maybe a rebel that fled from the Initiative and is trying to create a base on their own? And you could choose how to deal with Initiative: Violence, sabotage or just ignoring them. They did it in DA2, and The Warden was far more loved than Ryder. This would also let us be renegades again, since we are not tied to the Initiative Anyway, I think Ryder is a weak main character and THAT could be changed. I agree. Ryder is pusillanimous and contemptible. The type of character that puts franchises "on ice." ME needs to go the DA route with new main characters that offer new, unique POVs in the same setting. That allows for a vibrant and independent world that does not depend on a specific character. The DA model is more resilient than the ME model of focusing on the same main character. DA is just as financially successful and critically acclaimed as ME. The latter would benefit from following the former's model. I like your idea of a rebel outside the AI. Let's hope BW considers it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 25, 2017 3:03:56 GMT
It will be difficult to tell the story on Milky Way after the ending of Mass Effect 3, because the entire galaxy would be totally different depending on your final choice. That's why they created Andromeda, to run away from the main plot. Andromeda isn't quite the problem. But I think the next game shouldn't have Ryder as the main character. They could invent another. Maybe a rebel that fled from the Initiative and is trying to create a base on their own? And you could choose how to deal with Initiative: Violence, sabotage or just ignoring them. They did it in DA2, and The Warden was far more loved than Ryder. This would also let us be renegades again, since we are not tied to the Initiative Anyway, I think Ryder is a weak main character and THAT could be changed. I don't think the Initiative itself is really important in determining the way our character can be presented. Besides, it really depends on the span of time since the end of Andromeda 1, not to mention anything that might have happened to either the Initiative or one or most (maybe all) of the new colonies. The changing situation could see a major change in all of the characters (like certain companions or Tempest NPC's biting the dust, like Pressly did).
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Post by mummy22kids on Jul 25, 2017 3:08:19 GMT
Actually dragon age 2 was just as trashed as MEA, still got a story continuation. And if my memory serves there was a lot of hate for DAI when it was released. People were pissed they didn't get to see the HoF and were equally pissed that Hawke didn't seem like "their" Hawke. They started saying that DA2 was better than DAI and the reused environments weren't that bad. Even though DA2 was maligned for it until DAI came out. Not MEA is being maligned and DAI is being held up. This is why I don't think MEA would ever have had a good reception, too many people were pissed that they left the Milky Way. I also want to add I enjoy MEA and DAI and DA2.
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Post by malgus on Jul 25, 2017 3:11:54 GMT
Actually dragon age 2 was just as trashed as MEA, still got a story continuation. And if my memory serves there was a lot of hate for DAI when it was released. People were pissed they didn't get to see the HoF and were equally pissed that Hawke didn't seem like "their" Hawke. They started saying that DA2 was better than DAI and the reused environments weren't that bad. Even though DA2 was maligned for it until DAI came out. Not MEA is being maligned and DAI is being held up. This is why I don't think MEA would ever have had a good reception, too many people were pissed that they left the Milky Way. I also want to add I enjoy MEA and DAI and DA2. The rules of every bioware game, the most recent one is always the worst and the ones before that were better.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 25, 2017 3:39:06 GMT
And if my memory serves there was a lot of hate for DAI when it was released. I remember some of the hate, but what stood out the most were the bugs/glitches in the game. A few posters said Bioware should have been given 6 more months for polish. Some even said they won't buy anymore games on day one until its completely patched. There were a few threads about that It didn't bother me too much. I believe the biggest issue was about blood magic. The one thing I liked is Hawke could be customized to look exactly like the Inquisitor, if the Inquisitor was human I remember a few saying that. I like DA2, but still not a fan of the repetitive scenery I like DAI. I'm currently playing it now. With MEA, I'm waiting for dlc.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 25, 2017 3:47:52 GMT
I still can't believe some people had some glimmer of hope that we'd see the Hero of Ferelden.
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Post by Mir Aven on Jul 25, 2017 3:51:14 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way?Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans. What do y'all think? It's hard to tell with how unpredictable Bioware was in the last couple of years but if they do decide to go back to the Milky Way in the next game it would be the worst thing they could do. You don't start a new story in a whole different galaxy just to get back to the old one before finishing the new story. It would be like admitting that they have no idea what to do with ME series plot.
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