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Aug 2, 2017 23:07:15 GMT pessimistpanda said:

Why?

-(_MEA_)-

Two reasons.

(a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc.
(

I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character.

Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov.

Oh, this old song. "I play games for the parts I like, not the parts I don't like!"

And it's not as if science fiction has ever explored human interaction and mores before. Lol.

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Post by antmarch456 on Aug 4, 2017 5:40:43 GMT

Aug 2, 2017 6:25:01 GMT Dirk said:

Aug 2, 2017 6:17:13 GMT Davrin's boobs said:

yo solo sé que a Jaal le gusta una hartah el sabo :hue:

Oh BSN, cuando me apetece bañarme en mugre, tú siempre estás ahí

SPOILER: Click to show

*cursing in spanish*

also, I'm just wondering how Jaal's jizz tastes like... I hope is blue too, blue jizz that tastes like blueberries...maybe a little salty like myself

*snip out the disturbing gif*

I'm an evil gay that only think of jizz, somebody spank me because I was bad :hue:

*takes Jaal away from you*

gif credit to Joey

I'm hyperventilating. That was the funniest gif I've ever seen...I need one for every romance plz...

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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 4, 2017 13:46:32 GMT

Aug 4, 2017 4:09:40 GMT pessimistpanda said:

-(_MEA_)-

Two reasons.

(a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc.
(

I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character.

Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov.

Oh, this old song. "I play games for the parts I like, not the parts I don't like!"

And it's not as if science fiction has ever explored human interaction and mores before. Lol.

Have to agree, romance and relationships are part of the plot of many games, most of them it isn't even optional. Why in this case is it a problem that should only be tackled in specific kinds of games?

Or if this is another "there shouldn't be any romances/remove romances from Bioware games" kinda thing I think that ship has sailed. The romances seem to be here to stay.

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Aug 4, 2017 4:09:40 GMT pessimistpanda said:

-(_MEA_)-

Two reasons.

(a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc.
(

I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character.

Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov.

Oh, this old song. "I play games for the parts I like, not the parts I don't like!"

And it's not as if science fiction has ever explored human interaction and mores before. Lol.

-(_MEA_)-

You did ask.

Morpheus: "know what happened happened and that it could not have happened in any other way".

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Aug 3, 2017 14:03:39 GMT Salty Drell said:

-(_MEA_)-

Two reasons.

(a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc.
(

I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character.

Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov.

But Sims don't talk...and aren't written characters at all. How is that better at promoting social issues than talking, written characters?

-(_MEA_)-

There is some confusion.

My preference is for games be games rather than social outlets for promoting social issues. In MEA, it's the story of mankind leaving for a new galaxy and start "over". I'd rather see the core story delve deeper into the struggles... which is what interests me the most.

Morpheus: "know what happened happened and that it could not have happened in any other way".

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Aug 3, 2017 14:03:39 GMT Salty Drell said:

But Sims don't talk...and aren't written characters at all. How is that better at promoting social issues than talking, written characters?

-(_MEA_)-

There is some confusion.

My preference is for games be games rather than social outlets for promoting social issues. In MEA, it's the story of mankind leaving for a new galaxy and start "over". I'd rather see the core story delve deeper into the struggles... which is what interests me the most.

Acknowledging that LGBT people exist is not promoting social issues, it's mirroring reality.

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Post by Dirk on Aug 4, 2017 16:50:11 GMT

I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay.

This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same.

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Post by Steelcan on Aug 4, 2017 18:26:09 GMT

Aug 4, 2017 13:46:32 GMT mikeymoonshine said:

Aug 4, 2017 4:09:40 GMT pessimistpanda said:

Oh, this old song. "I play games for the parts I like, not the parts I don't like!"

And it's not as if science fiction has ever explored human interaction and mores before. Lol.

Have to agree, romance and relationships are part of the plot of many games, most of them it isn't even optional. Why in this case is it a problem that should only be tackled in specific kinds of games?

Or if this is another "there shouldn't be any romances/remove romances from Bioware games" kinda thing I think that ship has sailed. The romances seem to be here to stay.

Nothing is set in stone. BioWare is nothing if not overly attentive to criticism.

Maybe one day the romances will scaled back in focus and number.

A man can dream.

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Post by warrior on Aug 4, 2017 18:37:15 GMT

Aug 4, 2017 16:50:11 GMT Dirk said:

I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay.

This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same.

Yeah something interesting is that when it comes to rep they really only do this with gay and trans characters. There are other marginalized demos in these games but, like, neither Liam or Jacob has a plotline about their blackness, for ex. That's where they run into their problems really because it gets forced in awkwardly (like that Abrams character) and no one is happy.

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Aug 4, 2017 16:20:12 GMT Rouccoco said:

-(_MEA_)-

There is some confusion.

My preference is for games be games rather than social outlets for promoting social issues. In MEA, it's the story of mankind leaving for a new galaxy and start "over". I'd rather see the core story delve deeper into the struggles... which is what interests me the most.

Acknowledging that LGBT people exist is not promoting social issues, it's mirroring reality.

Why mirror LGBT issues and not presidential issues, or the problems in Sweeden or anything else? Did they just pick a random thing to talk about? There's always going to be social reasons for discussing such things. As long as it isn't hamfisted it's ok.

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Aug 4, 2017 16:50:11 GMT Dirk said:

I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay.

This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same.

Same. I don't need tragic drama over sexuality in games since I've had enough of that to last a lifetime. Not even talking about personal experience-literally almost all media on gay characters is so dramatic and usually ends horribly-I've had my fill. I'm ready for something really edgy-gay people just existing and succeeding at life.

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Aug 4, 2017 23:42:25 GMT @lee80 said:

Aug 4, 2017 16:50:11 GMT Dirk said:

I feel that some gay people, me included, actually want representation without touching social issues. I would love to see a gay character that is open about his sexuality but his plot does not revolve around it. For example, a gay squadmate who openly flirts with male PC and NPCs but his loyalty mission has nothing to do with him being gay.

This does not mean that having a gay character with his plot revolving around his sexuality is objectively bad. I know that some gay people love Dorian and his story. But I would say that since gay people, like other groups, are diverse, representation of gay people should be the same.

Same. I don't need tragic drama over sexuality in games since I've had enough of that to last a lifetime. Not even talking about personal experience-literally almost all media on gay characters is so dramatic and usually ends horribly-I've had my fill. I'm ready for something really edgy-gay people just existing and succeeding at life.

Hey lets not get carried away. If we were to do that, we might as well write a straight character instead! wowowowowwoowowowowoo /s

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Aug 3, 2017 14:03:39 GMT Salty Drell said:

But Sims don't talk...and aren't written characters at all. How is that better at promoting social issues than talking, written characters?

-(_MEA_)-

There is some confusion.

My preference is for games be games rather than social outlets for promoting social issues. In MEA, it's the story of mankind leaving for a new galaxy and start "over". I'd rather see the core story delve deeper into the struggles... which is what interests me the most.

Social issues form the core of ME:A's narrative, and the same can be said of almost all science fiction works.

A major function (if not the primary function) of storytelling has always been to impart or imply some sort of moral or lesson or point. This holds true for BioWare games, even when taking into account the player's limited control over the narrative.

I think you just don't like the fact that gay characters are in the game. Why is their presence deemed a "social issue" when their absence is not?

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Post by dm04 on Aug 5, 2017 15:34:20 GMT

If BioWare rediverted all the ressources they used to please 1-2% of their customers (gays) towards more pressing and important issues (like the understaffed animations), the release of the game wouldnt have been as troubling as it was. Well, I am happy you are all happy.

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MEA... They gave us a game that is a triumph in mediocrity...

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If BioWare rediverted all the ressources they used to please 1-2% of their customers (gays) towards more pressing and important issues (like the understaffed animations), the release of the game wouldnt have been as troubling as it was. Well, I am happy you are all happy.

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Aug 2, 2017 23:07:15 GMT pessimistpanda said:

Why?

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Two reasons.

(a) SIMS is a simulation game. It's a perfect medium (imo) to explore human interactions, work places, careers, mores, romances... etc.
(

I buy a game to play a game not to play at romancing a digital pixel or someone else's idea of a romantic relationship with a game character.

Now, Bio has said they create stories and deep characters that you can "...fall in love with...". Really? That is just marketing BS. But, hey, that is my pov.

True, but who demanded it in the end to be a back of the box feature?

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Aug 5, 2017 11:54:23 GMT pessimistpanda said:

-(_MEA_)-

There is some confusion.

My preference is for games be games rather than social outlets for promoting social issues. In MEA, it's the story of mankind leaving for a new galaxy and start "over". I'd rather see the core story delve deeper into the struggles... which is what interests me the most.

Social issues form the core of ME:A's narrative, and the same can be said of almost all science fiction works.

A major function (if not the primary function) of storytelling has always been to impart or imply some sort of moral or lesson or point. This holds true for BioWare games, even when taking into account the player's limited control over the narrative.

I think you just don't like the fact that gay characters are in the game. Why is their presence deemed a "social issue" when their absence is not?

Yup, but the last thing that anyone - myself included - wants is entertainment to get preachy. Moral lesson or points are fine but yeah, preachy is generally bad

But having gay characters isnt making a point or a social issue... social issues can be brought up as WELL, but the 2 arent mutually exclusive, definitely not

If BioWare rediverted all the ressources they used to please 1-2% of their customers (gays) towards more pressing and important issues (like the understaffed animations), the release of the game wouldnt have been as troubling as it was. Well, I am happy you are all happy.

Yeah... no, that isnt the way game development works, although the idea of writers, voice actors and character designers trying to animate the game instead of actually writing, acting and designing would make for a hilarious game experience, although definitely worse :lol:

I also think that the percentage is higher than 1-2%

Annnnddddd like not many people are entirely happy too

"Yeah... no" basically sums up that post :lol:

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Post by pessimistpanda on Aug 5, 2017 15:56:31 GMT

If BioWare rediverted all the ressources they used to please 1-2% of their customers (gays) towards more pressing and important issues (like the understaffed animations), the release of the game wouldnt have been as troubling as it was. Well, I am happy you are all happy.

Yeah yeah, we all know that treating gay people fairly should always be the last priority, and the MOST IMPORTANT THING is animation/flavour text for weapons/better hair options/making the female characters hotter/whatever bullshit nitpick straight people have randomly decided they care about most today.

Andromeda could have Pixar-quality animations and you would just find another goalpost to justify stripping out LGBT content. There will always be one more thing.

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Aug 5, 2017 15:53:44 GMT GeneralXIV said:

Aug 5, 2017 11:54:23 GMT pessimistpanda said:

Social issues form the core of ME:A's narrative, and the same can be said of almost all science fiction works.

A major function (if not the primary function) of storytelling has always been to impart or imply some sort of moral or lesson or point. This holds true for BioWare games, even when taking into account the player's limited control over the narrative.

I think you just don't like the fact that gay characters are in the game. Why is their presence deemed a "social issue" when their absence is not?

Yup, but the last thing that anyone - myself included - wants is entertainment to get preachy. Moral lesson or points are fine but yeah, preachy is generally bad

But having gay characters isnt making a point or a social issue... social issues can be brought up as WELL, but the 2 arent mutually exclusive, definitely not

I don't see the difference between "having a moral lesson" and "being preachy". I suspect the latter is a term people use when a work of entertainment has a moral lesson they don't like.

But yes, it is possible to have gay characters with stories and problems that don't revolve around the fact of being gay, which is an approach I would prefer. I already have extensive first-hand experience with the problems that arise from being gay. Those one-note narratives are written for the education of straight people, not for the enjoyment of gay people.

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Aug 5, 2017 15:56:31 GMT pessimistpanda said: