With Mass Effect: Andromeda, Bioware Improved on Its Gay Relationships - Article

Hmm...maybe it was different because it was back when you could romance five people.  I might have been locked in with Gil and/or Reyes and the game perhaps made this "romance" extra chaste.

If only they could have been all men!  However, I could never have romanced both Kaidan and Steve Cortez.  Never.

Haven't read the whole thread but wanted 2 add my lesbian 2 cents

I think Andromeda majorly dropped the ball w gay content, personally. Peebee barely counts as gay/bi rep to me, because they have tried to no homo asari in the past, both explicitly and implicitly by showing how they're encouraged not to have relationships with each other, etc. It's great that Vetra was bi, but I fully believe the suggestions that this was only due to Sheryl Cree fighting for it. Gil and Suvi are completely side characters compared to the squadmates, with kisses that the camera obscures, and Gil's storyline in particular is incredibly badly handled from a gay perspective, Reyes' animations with m!Ryder were so much worse and still haven't been fully patched, and Jaal not being bi at launch was a huge blow to m/m players and a step back from ME3.

There's really no level at which I feel MEA handled gay/bi chrs better than previous games, and it repeated and compounded upon mistakes of the prior games. It's one of its worst qualities as a game, imo.

There is but both happen in the same scene and one is tied to a dialogue choice. She kisses you, talks about how she shouldn't have done that, you both talk about how you both want a relationship but it doesn't seem the right time, then you talk about having one after you both are less busy, and then you can ask for another goodbye kiss for good luck. 

Not so. First of all, it was two options, not four, as the species gates are also in the play. Secondly, it is about everyone getting access to all content, no matter which avatar they chose to play, so it is about all romances with gender gates, not the MM specifically.

You are suggesting for me to do what you do not like doing yourself, and that is changing the essence of your protagonist to romance a specific character. Which is what I did, by the way, after I spent a lot of heart and time invested in my first character and i overall liked the game less, b/c I had to make this choice between what I wanted to play and the romance I wanted to see & replaying Hinterlands. That was right after playing DA2, and it was very obvious to me how the open to all approach is preferable to me. My reaction would not have been any different if I wanted to play a male, but had my sights set on Blackwall. Actually, that's what happened in DA2, and I was absolutely delighted that Anders returned my advances on a male char.

The only way to avoid it is if all romances are opened to all avatars. This solution in gaming terms is preferable as only a limited characters can be developed, so focusing the resources ideally would both improve the character development, the story arcs participation, better species diversity and allow the player to simply find a soulmate for their beloved character without ever worrying about what's "appropriate" and what is not. It's a fantasy game, and it would be nice if it allowed you to be spontaneous and avoid the artificial stuff as much as possible. A game is already very limited by definition in how many characters are out there, and adding additional restrictions on the PC to play is less advantageous.

obviously, nobody is going to go rewrite the old games, and it only is going to incite peeps anyway, but I hope going forward, particularly after the Jaal's patching after release, we'll see a trend towards less restrictions and more plot-salient romances, because it was such an awesome thing to have characters like Anders and Reyes. I think everyone wins if all romances are like that.

It actually was a bit too real and awkward.

And I think it was turned up to 11 for that sort of comic "girls" effect. I mean the HBO show "girls" in terms of how it was written.

In all honesty, it wasn't too bad due to it being purposefully silly, but it was a far cry from what you would expect as a normal relationship.

This is why the Vetra romance is the best written one, it actually unfolds naturally. PeeBee is a sexual one that can turn really good, Gil's is milquetoast, Jaal is idealyic in a sort of harlequin romance style, and Cora and Liam are good but kind of just there.

Only Vetra's had an actual arc to it. 

To answer your question because we have every right to voice opinion on this just like everyone else. Just because you don't agree with what is said doesn't mean you should censor a group of people that are hurting your feelings. 

Well this went downhill quick.

And on what are you basing this assumption on?