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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 2:40:42 GMT
Vetra judging the dock workers. Love it. Cool- The Turian checking in two folks. I feel...all proud about making the outpost all over again. Wow, there are like 4 rounds of check ins. Whoa... the kind of outpost changes who gets woke up?! Ugh. Okay. So there is... A news terminal. A terminal for email. An inter "office" email. and Lexi. And the journal. Any other sources of Current Events I need to keep track of? I'm ready for some action. It's been a quiet couple of hours checking in with people and assessing outposts. Of those, reading your email is probably the most important thing.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 2:46:41 GMT
I find it hilarious that a bar was "force created". It's like if Quark hadn't intended to build a bar. There better be dancing Teh real question is...how do I get out of this Docking area... These Asari look rather alike but...to be honest, I'm not sure I thought the Asari looked very different in the Original Trilogy. Alright Avena, how the heck do I get off this Dock? I swear I've walked everywhere and still haven't found a hallway to the place I arrived at.--- ah, she didn't help...maybe I clicked on the wrong part of the ship. Go back to the Tempest? Where's a tram/elevator when you need one?-- Nope. There is just the docking bay to click on. OMG, I'm lost on the nexus. Edit Add: And then immediately found the Tram after I posted.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 2:55:17 GMT
Why do I always get the feeling Cora likes paint her self blue and yell "I AM AN ASARI!" while Ryder isn't looking?
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 3:01:30 GMT
Wow. These politics are super weird. I honestly feel like Tann and Addison are trying to... I don't know...oust each other. Tann is just shady as hell. And all he had to do was call himself my "patron." It'd be like if Lel were trying to get me to go behind Cullen's back. This is not a healthy working environment! Tann: The History of the Initiative cannot show that we were bested by a cloud. --- I dunno, the delivery of the word cloud made me laugh.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 3:04:56 GMT
Yeah I think I main theme of the game is getting thrusted into an unknown situation and making the most of it. You see with Ryder, Tann, Addison and the others. They're not perfect, but they do try to take the people's best interests to heart and make the most of it.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 3:23:34 GMT
Gee willikers. I never did see battle today. The Tempest is Large, then dwarfed by the Hyperion, then dwarfed even more by the Nexus. Then, of course, there are entire planets to contend with.
Speaking of distances; is there special dialogue you can only have with the companions when they are at their alternative spots on the Nexus/Hyperion? Or can I just ignore them there and talk to them on the Tempest?
On one hand, I want to speed things up to get Jaal, then come back and do everything with him to hear random commentary. On the other, by the time you find him, you kinda have this whole "Kett are destroying our people" thing going on, so, to narratively bring your Angaran Contact to go do Initiative work seems weird. I dunno. What do you guys think?
Because I'm curious about the Mutiny/Murder/Power Grab story and why the Nexus essentially sent people out to die on Eos- are peoples' bitterness about their lack of support warranted? Eos had a sad story that I was picking up on and that @upupaway95 hinted at that I want to explore.
Or does Jaal stay silent on it anyway so it doesn't matter?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 3:55:50 GMT
Gee willikers. I never did see battle today. The Tempest is Large, then dwarfed by the Hyperion, then dwarfed even more by the Nexus. Then, of course, there are entire planets to contend with. Speaking of distances; is there special dialogue you can only have with the companions when they are at their alternative spots on the Nexus/Hyperion? Or can I just ignore them there and talk to them on the Tempest? On one hand, I want to speed things up to get Jaal, then come back and do everything with him to hear random commentary. On the other, by the time you find him, you kinda have this whole "Kett are destroying our people" thing going on, so, to narratively bring your Angaran Contact to go do Initiative work seems weird. I dunno. What do you guys think? Because I'm curious about the Mutiny/Murder/Power Grab story and why the Nexus essentially sent people out to die on Eos- are peoples' bitterness about their lack of support warranted? Eos had a sad story that I was picking up on and that @upupaway95 hinted at that I want to explore. Or does Jaal stay silent on it anyway so it doesn't matter? Off to bed with me. Gee willikers? Thanks Phoray I feel even older
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Post by melbella on Aug 1, 2017 3:57:58 GMT
Wow. These politics are super weird. I honestly feel like Tann and Addison are trying to... I don't know...oust each other. Tann is just shady as hell. And all he had to do was call himself my "patron." It'd be like if Lel were trying to get me to go behind Cullen's back. This is not a healthy working environment! Tann: The History of the Initiative cannon show that we were bested by a cloud. --- I dunno, the delivery of the word cloud made me laugh.
Tann is definitely out of his league, which he at least admits. But, he still wants to be in charge, yet make sure Ryder does all the heavy lifting and "giving bad news too" to people so he can remain the good guy. He wants all the reward but none of the responsibility that goes with it. Typical politician....er, bean counter.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 1, 2017 4:01:23 GMT
I find it hilarious that a bar was "force created". It's like if Quark hadn't intended to build a bar. There better be dancing Teh real question is...how do I get out of this Docking area... These Asari look rather alike but...to be honest, I'm not sure I thought the Asari looked very different in the Original Trilogy.Alright Avena, how the heck do I get off this Dock? I swear I've walked everywhere and still haven't found a hallway to the place I arrived at.--- ah, she didn't help...maybe I clicked on the wrong part of the ship. Go back to the Tempest? Where's a tram/elevator when you need one?-- Nope. There is just the docking bay to click on. OMG, I'm lost on the nexus. Edit Add: And then immediately found the Tram after I posted. The asari (other than PB) all have the exact same face as Lexi, just with different markings. Lucky for you that you don't see it, I guess, because it's incredibly distracting to me every time I talked to random asari. I think it would have been fine to use the same face for asari "extras" if they picked a more generic-looking face, but Lexi is distinctive enough that I can't NOT see it. Gee willikers. I never did see battle today. The Tempest is Large, then dwarfed by the Hyperion, then dwarfed even more by the Nexus. Then, of course, there are entire planets to contend with. Speaking of distances; is there special dialogue you can only have with the companions when they are at their alternative spots on the Nexus/Hyperion? Or can I just ignore them there and talk to them on the Tempest?On one hand, I want to speed things up to get Jaal, then come back and do everything with him to hear random commentary. On the other, by the time you find him, you kinda have this whole "Kett are destroying our people" thing going on, so, to narratively bring your Angaran Contact to go do Initiative work seems weird. I dunno. What do you guys think?Because I'm curious about the Mutiny/Murder/Power Grab story and why the Nexus essentially sent people out to die on Eos- are peoples' bitterness about their lack of support warranted? Eos had a sad story that I was picking up on and that @upupaway95 hinted at that I want to explore. Or does Jaal stay silent on it anyway so it doesn't matter? Off to bed with me. 1. They have a few different things to say, but I don't remember big conversations. 2. I think this is a big thing in every BW game. Whoops, a darkspawn magister is destroying the world, and I'm the only one who can defeat him. Guess I should go pick some flowers for Cassandra right after I find this missing pet druffalo.
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Post by melbella on Aug 1, 2017 4:08:25 GMT
2. I think this is a big thing in every BW game. Whoops, a darkspawn magister is destroying the world, and I'm the only one who can defeat him. Guess I should go pick some flowers for Cassandra right after I find this missing pet druffalo. I think in this instance though, it really isn't the end of the world until you get to a certain mission. And even then, you still have reason to delay. Setting up outposts is a big priority and there's a lot of grunt work to do on each planet before they are viable.
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Post by dragontartare on Aug 1, 2017 4:26:36 GMT
2. I think this is a big thing in every BW game. Whoops, a darkspawn magister is destroying the world, and I'm the only one who can defeat him. Guess I should go pick some flowers for Cassandra right after I find this missing pet druffalo. I think in this instance though, it really isn't the end of the world until you get to a certain mission. And even then, you still have reason to delay. Setting up outposts is a big priority and there's a lot of grunt work to do on each planet before they are viable. Right, I just meant that if she's feeling like she needs to rush to do the angaran quests because Jaal says they are urgent, then just consider how we delay urgent things in every BW game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:43:10 GMT
I find it hilarious that a bar was "force created". It's like if Quark hadn't intended to build a bar. There better be dancing Teh real question is...how do I get out of this Docking area... These Asari look rather alike but...to be honest, I'm not sure I thought the Asari looked very different in the Original Trilogy.Alright Avena, how the heck do I get off this Dock? I swear I've walked everywhere and still haven't found a hallway to the place I arrived at.--- ah, she didn't help...maybe I clicked on the wrong part of the ship. Go back to the Tempest? Where's a tram/elevator when you need one?-- Nope. There is just the docking bay to click on. OMG, I'm lost on the nexus. Edit Add: And then immediately found the Tram after I posted. The asari (other than PB) all have the exact same face as Lexi, just with different markings. Lucky for you that you don't see it, I guess, because it's incredibly distracting to me every time I talked to random asari. I think it would have been fine to use the same face for asari "extras" if they picked a more generic-looking face, but Lexi is distinctive enough that I can't NOT see it. Gee willikers. I never did see battle today. The Tempest is Large, then dwarfed by the Hyperion, then dwarfed even more by the Nexus. Then, of course, there are entire planets to contend with. Speaking of distances; is there special dialogue you can only have with the companions when they are at their alternative spots on the Nexus/Hyperion? Or can I just ignore them there and talk to them on the Tempest?On one hand, I want to speed things up to get Jaal, then come back and do everything with him to hear random commentary. On the other, by the time you find him, you kinda have this whole "Kett are destroying our people" thing going on, so, to narratively bring your Angaran Contact to go do Initiative work seems weird. I dunno. What do you guys think?Because I'm curious about the Mutiny/Murder/Power Grab story and why the Nexus essentially sent people out to die on Eos- are peoples' bitterness about their lack of support warranted? Eos had a sad story that I was picking up on and that @upupaway95 hinted at that I want to explore. Or does Jaal stay silent on it anyway so it doesn't matter? Off to bed with me. 1. They have a few different things to say, but I don't remember big conversations. 2. I think this is a big thing in every BW game. Whoops, a darkspawn magister is destroying the world, and I'm the only one who can defeat him. Guess I should go pick some flowers for Cassandra right after I find this missing pet druffalo. It does depend where you are at in the game, but if you make a habit of going back to the ship between some of the more minor missions on the planet, you can space out the conversations, just do a few of the squad and then go back to the planet, so some minor fighting, etc. There is a quite a long section when you're doing Havarl and Voeld where the NPCs run out of new dialogue to say. Their dialogue generally changes 1) when you do a main mission sequence that changes over a priority op 2) when you do a step in their personal loyalty missions (i.e. that changes over a mission listed under Allies and Relationships). Most frequently, you will find that they go back to their original hidey holes on the ship for these important dialogues. Timing pressures. In this game, it really depends on what "accidental" order you do the planets in and/or how much bouncing back and forth between planets you want to do. The dialogues will change with the order... and some of those pressures just don't come across as intense than iif you happen to use a different order. This is a general improvement over the MET, imo (i.e. Bioware have been working on their writing to improve on this.) Still, you can safely main line it and then decide you want to come back even after the ending and cleain up other missions. What you lose then is just some of the connectiveness of the little backstories to the main one.
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Post by melbella on Aug 1, 2017 12:50:42 GMT
I think in this instance though, it really isn't the end of the world until you get to a certain mission. And even then, you still have reason to delay. Setting up outposts is a big priority and there's a lot of grunt work to do on each planet before they are viable. Right, I just meant that if she's feeling like she needs to rush to do the angaran quests because Jaal says they are urgent, then just consider how we delay urgent things in every BW game.
Well, they've been fighting the kett for 70 yrs or so.....I think Jaal can wait a few more days. Plus, he annoys me so I like annoying him back.
Is it just me, or does that seems like an awfully long time for the kett to take in exalting a single species, especially one that has already had a major setback to their civilization due to the Scourge? I mean, the Reapers only need a century, give or take, to ascend an entire galaxy. The kett are just wannabees compared to that!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 12:53:48 GMT
Right, I just meant that if she's feeling like she needs to rush to do the angaran quests because Jaal says they are urgent, then just consider how we delay urgent things in every BW game.
Well, they've been fighting the kett for 70 yrs or so.....I think Jaal can wait a few more days. Plus, he annoys me so I like annoying him back.
Is it just me, or does that seems like an awfully long time for the kett to take in exalting a single species, especially one that has already had a major setback to their civilization due to the Scourge? I mean, the Reapers only need a century, give or take, to ascend an entire galaxy. The kett are just wannabees compared to that!
I don't have the quote handy, but Jaal says that the Kett only showed up about 70 to 90 years earlier. I think Angara reproduce fairly rapidly (evidenced by their large families). They seem somewhat cat-like in that respect... born in litters. The only means of reproduction for the kett appears to be exaltation, so the angara are set up as an unending "supply" of new kett even as it is the angara resistance killing off the old Kett. I'm pretty sure Bioware set the whole thing up to be an iteration of a difference sort of "symbiotic relationship" (SAM and Ryder being an example of another).
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 1, 2017 12:59:32 GMT
Is it just me, or does that seems like an awfully long time for the kett to take in exalting a single species, especially one that has already had a major setback to their civilization due to the Scourge? I mean, the Reapers only need a century, give or take, to ascend an entire galaxy. The kett are just wannabees compared to that!
Not attaining the speed and perfection of the reapers when it comes to genocide makes the kett more "human" and easier to empathize with. It's supposed to be a more uplifting story than the original trilogy after all.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 14:18:04 GMT
Did you use the interrupt going down into the vault? Ya, I did haha in retrospect, I considered it out of character for my Ryder, but since it was a priority mission, there is no saving and going back to a repeat point. I blame the fact that options for Ryder to do something off script are rare, so I'm very likely to use the interrupts just to have some control of the character.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 14:39:05 GMT
Did you use the interrupt going down into the vault? Ya, I did haha in retrospect, I considered it out of character for my Ryder, but since it was a priority mission, there is no saving and going back to a repeat point. I blame the fact that options for Ryder to do something off script are rare, so I'm very likely to use the interrupts just to have some control of the character. Opposite happened to me... I missed the interrupt the first time (brain fart and pressed the wrong button on the controller). It's really in character for my "impetuous youth, non-achiever" Ryder. Since it was so near the beginning of the mission though, I did just reload the save I had done just prior to starting that mission and re-did it. I've found it's a good idea to keep checking for save opportunities. I've found that there are some priority ops that do allow for a save between some sections and there are some non-priority ops that don't allow saves during some sections. It's really quite inconsistent.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 14:43:03 GMT
Right, I just meant that if she's feeling like she needs to rush to do the angaran quests because Jaal says they are urgent, then just consider how we delay urgent things in every BW game.
Well, they've been fighting the kett for 70 yrs or so.....I think Jaal can wait a few more days. Plus, he annoys me so I like annoying him back.
Is it just me, or does that seems like an awfully long time for the kett to take in exalting a single species, especially one that has already had a major setback to their civilization due to the Scourge? I mean, the Reapers only need a century, give or take, to ascend an entire galaxy. The kett are just wannabees compared to that!
One of the Angara (Jaal?) I think explains it with Angara starting to take death over being captured. It sounds like initially, kett almost tried for almost a volountary union, with establishing contact etc. Then they had to build up the military presence, which probably took a while moving forces from out of the cluster, probably with conflicting military priorities. Then adapting their tactics to take Angara alive. They probably are outstretched, seeing how replacing procreation with conquest and high tech transformation is not particularly prolific way to grow a race.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 15:07:25 GMT
I know I said I was spoiled up to Liam's LM, but I didn't know this stuff about Angaran history with the Kett or their breeding habits soooo
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2017 15:14:36 GMT
I know I said I was spoiled up to Liam's LM, but I didn't know this stuff about Angaran history with the Kett or their breeding habits soooo Sorry then, I'll try to be more careful about inserting stuff in spoilers regardless of whether or not I think you should already know about them. Pitfall of an open world - everybody can find different things out at different points in the game. P.S. - A lot of the Angaran history is found during the "A Trail of Hope" mission sequence, which can be tackled in a number of different ways. The most revealing one is when you Save the Moshae on Veold (and combined with a lot of the smaller Veold missions, it really reveals a lot about the Angara and the Kett). I honestly did not think you could get to the main part of Liam's LM without having saved the Moshae. Also, be aware that Liam's LM is also a multi-part mission (as most of the LMs are), so now I'm wondering if you've even gone as far in that as I was thinking you have. Also, be aware that a number of the more major missions (including some of the more major optional side missions) have "secret" areas with additional datapads that can easily be missed/overlooked and the missions still complete successfully. In those cases, you may also find yourself missing different bits of information that might come up in discussions. Just saying... with the open-world format, discussion here could easily get a little touchy. I think I'll just read from here on in.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 17:48:49 GMT
Sorry. I didn't mean for my comment to come across as angry. I meant it more as a reminder because it got precariously close. The YT video I was watching was literally a Cutscenes only. No data pads, emails, walking around, side missions. In the Cutscenes, that the Kett and Angara were at war was obvious, but amount of years it had been ongoing wasn't mentioned. Certainly no mentions of having Angaran kitty litters at high rates. I won't open spoilers tags, so if you guys want to talk among yourselves under them, feel free.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 18:00:25 GMT
Related to the Let's Play-- thinking, since I cant play at work.
Now that I've seen the "First Meeting on the Tempest" twice, I decided Cora's crap comment about the Krogan is actually an info dump of Krogan history. It still makes her look like a bitch though.
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Related to the Let's Play-- thinking, since I cant play at work. Now that I've seen the "First Meeting on the Tempest" twice, I decided Cora's crap comment about the Krogan is actually an info dump of Krogan history. It still makes her look like a bitch though. Meh Krogan are brutal anyway.
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Post by phoray on Aug 1, 2017 18:25:45 GMT
Related to the Let's Play-- thinking, since I cant play at work. Now that I've seen the "First Meeting on the Tempest" twice, I decided Cora's crap comment about the Krogan is actually an info dump of Krogan history. It still makes her look like a bitch though. Meh Krogan are brutal anyway. I don't have the conversation memorized, but it was out of place aggressive to a new companion. It also makes the Krogan look dumb when the situation regarding the destruction of their homeworld was quite more complicated than that. And involved the Rachni, the Turians ,and the Salarians. It's a pretty ham fisted way of informing new players about Krogan history and specifically in a very non complimentary light.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 1, 2017 18:27:35 GMT
In universe the Krogan are still hated for early taking over the known galaxy and would still be looked down upon. Not surprising to see them remembered in a negative light.
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