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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:12:54 GMT
Schreier was right about BW Montreal employees leaving but he got the reason for it wrong. If he knew about the merger he would have talked about it. Instead he framed it as if the Montreal team was disbanded as a reaction to MEA's release, when in reality EA was always planning to consolidate its teams there into Motive and the move had been happening since at least January. That's why people don't trust him fully. He got some facts right but also added a lot of speculation and conjecture. Didn't he mention them being moved to Motive in the article? Ah! Found it: "The results were catastrophic for BioWare Montreal. Even as the team kept plugging away on patches to fix bugs, add more romance options, and polish animations, their management informed the Montreal studio that it would be scaled down and that Mass Effect was going to be shelved for a while. All hopes for an Andromeda sequel were immediately dashed. EA moved many of BioWare Montreal’s developers to EA Motive, putting others on support roles for BioWare’s other games, including Dylan and the next Dragon Age (internally referred to as Dragon Age 4).
It’s a tragic ending for a studio that set out to do something ambitious but couldn’t quite deliver."
Is that what you were talking about?
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Post by haolyn on Aug 3, 2017 6:20:27 GMT
Schreier was right about BW Montreal employees leaving but he got the reason for it wrong. If he knew about the merger he would have talked about it. Instead he framed it as if the Montreal team was disbanded as a reaction to MEA's release, when in reality EA was always planning to consolidate its teams there into Motive and the move had been happening since at least January. That's why people don't trust him fully. He got some facts right but also added a lot of speculation and conjecture. Didn't he mention them being moved to Motive in the article? Ah! Found it: "The results were catastrophic for BioWare Montreal. Even as the team kept plugging away on patches to fix bugs, add more romance options, and polish animations, their management informed the Montreal studio that it would be scaled down and that Mass Effect was going to be shelved for a while. All hopes for an Andromeda sequel were immediately dashed. EA moved many of BioWare Montreal’s developers to EA Motive, putting others on support roles for BioWare’s other games, including Dylan and the next Dragon Age (internally referred to as Dragon Age 4).
It’s a tragic ending for a studio that set out to do something ambitious but couldn’t quite deliver."
Is that what you were talking about? He stated that BW Montreal found out they would be moved to Motive after the game released. The move has most likely been going on since way before then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 6:27:42 GMT
Didn't he mention them being moved to Motive in the article? Ah! Found it: "The results were catastrophic for BioWare Montreal. Even as the team kept plugging away on patches to fix bugs, add more romance options, and polish animations, their management informed the Montreal studio that it would be scaled down and that Mass Effect was going to be shelved for a while. All hopes for an Andromeda sequel were immediately dashed. EA moved many of BioWare Montreal’s developers to EA Motive, putting others on support roles for BioWare’s other games, including Dylan and the next Dragon Age (internally referred to as Dragon Age 4).
It’s a tragic ending for a studio that set out to do something ambitious but couldn’t quite deliver."
Is that what you were talking about? He stated that BW Montreal found out they would be moved to Motive after the game released. The move has most likely been going on since way before then. Perhaps. We are just going to have to wait and see how accurate Mr. Schreier is. . . I miss the drell and hope to see them in future DLC, with their double eyelids.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 6:30:23 GMT
Didn't he mention them being moved to Motive in the article? Ah! Found it: "The results were catastrophic for BioWare Montreal. Even as the team kept plugging away on patches to fix bugs, add more romance options, and polish animations, their management informed the Montreal studio that it would be scaled down and that Mass Effect was going to be shelved for a while. All hopes for an Andromeda sequel were immediately dashed. EA moved many of BioWare Montreal’s developers to EA Motive, putting others on support roles for BioWare’s other games, including Dylan and the next Dragon Age (internally referred to as Dragon Age 4).
It’s a tragic ending for a studio that set out to do something ambitious but couldn’t quite deliver."
Is that what you were talking about? He stated that BW Montreal found out they would be moved to Motive after the game released. The move has most likely been going on since way before then. Basically, Schreier reported what he was told by his sources. You are criticizing him because he got the info later rather than earlier. These corporate moves are not made official until the process is already under way. We got official confirmation this week yet it has been going on for months. The BW Montreal people probably got the official confirmation 2-3 months back.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 3, 2017 6:41:30 GMT
He stated that BW Montreal found out they would be moved to Motive after the game released. The move has most likely been going on since way before then. Basically, Schreier reported what he was told by his sources. You are criticizing him because he got the info later rather than earlier. These corporate moves are not made official until the process is already under way. We got official confirmation this week yet it has been going on for months. The BW Montreal people probably got the official confirmation 2-3 months back. No, I am criticizing him because he embellished the info he got with his own interpretation of events. He wrote about the Montreal team working on the Jaal romance patch while finding out they would be moved to Motive. By putting the move in such a context he implies that the cause and effect is "MEA did poorly so EA decided to move BW Montreal to Motive". When the reality is more along the lines of "EA has been planning on building a major studio in Montreal and the plan was always for Bioware Montreal to move there. It started with them being moved to the same building months before MEA even shipped." Which is public knowledge and which Schreier failed to include in his article as well. There's facts, and then there's framing the facts in such a way to sell a certain narrative. It's quite clear this is what Schreier was engaging in.
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Post by ayenari on Aug 3, 2017 6:41:43 GMT
Even if it goes to Edmonton, it'll still be at least 6+ years or more before we see anything more. They've Anthem coming, up and they've also all but confirmed that DA4 is happening next too. Which is what everyone was saying would happen even before Andromeda was released. Difference being we would likely see Andromeda 2 (not to mention 3-4 story DLC packs in 2017) release in 3 or 4 years if Andromeda had been better received and sold, as opposed to that. EA had been pushing Montreal away from being just a support studio and onto making full games, and now they've been returned to their previous role being absorbed by Motive.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 6:55:59 GMT
Basically, Schreier reported what he was told by his sources. You are criticizing him because he got the info later rather than earlier. These corporate moves are not made official until the process is already under way. We got official confirmation this week yet it has been going on for months. The BW Montreal people probably got the official confirmation 2-3 months back. No, I am criticizing him because he embellished the info he got with his own interpretation of events. He wrote about the Montreal team working on the Jaal romance patch while finding out they would be moved to Motive. By putting the move in such a context he implies that the cause and effect is "MEA did poorly so EA decided to move BW Montreal to Motive". When the reality is more along the lines of "EA has been planning on building a major studio in Montreal and the plan was always for Bioware Montreal to move there. It started with them being moved to the same building months before MEA even shipped." Which is public knowledge and which Schreier failed to include in his article as well. There's facts, and then there's framing the facts in such a way to sell a certain narrative. It's quite clear this is what Schreier was engaging in. Here's the article. Please point out the embellishment. You're implying that EA decided to merge studios long before ME:A dropped. That suggests that they probably had no intentions to publish a sequel and perhaps not even DLC regardless of ME:A's performance. EA would have proceeded accordingly even if ME:A had been a smashing success. EA decided to bump up a support studio to a full production studio just to scale it back down to support studio then merge it with another studio. I don't believe that. Do you? We still don't know why exactly BW Montreal was "terminated" but if I had to take a guess it's probably because of their gross mismanagement of EA's resources. Therefore it is related to Andromeda's performance. So, Schreier got the big picture right but didn't get the smaller details. Edit: before it gets lost, it needs to be reminded, most of you here vehemently claimed that there was no merger, that it was a simple office move. You were wrong.
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Post by Fredward on Aug 3, 2017 7:01:09 GMT
So what's the forum mood? Are we still doing the ostrich thing or can we move on to my planned forumwide accapella of I Dreamed a Dream?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 7:04:54 GMT
No, I am criticizing him because he embellished the info he got with his own interpretation of events. He wrote about the Montreal team working on the Jaal romance patch while finding out they would be moved to Motive. By putting the move in such a context he implies that the cause and effect is "MEA did poorly so EA decided to move BW Montreal to Motive". When the reality is more along the lines of "EA has been planning on building a major studio in Montreal and the plan was always for Bioware Montreal to move there. It started with them being moved to the same building months before MEA even shipped." Which is public knowledge and which Schreier failed to include in his article as well. There's facts, and then there's framing the facts in such a way to sell a certain narrative. It's quite clear this is what Schreier was engaging in. Edit: before it gets lost, it needs to be reminded, most of you here vehemently claimed that there was no merger, that it was a simple office move. You were wrong. Nah, most folks just said there was no merger until EA said there was a merger. When the word got out, then that was that. There's nothing wrong with or unusual about waiting for official word about something.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 3, 2017 7:07:18 GMT
No, I am criticizing him because he embellished the info he got with his own interpretation of events. He wrote about the Montreal team working on the Jaal romance patch while finding out they would be moved to Motive. By putting the move in such a context he implies that the cause and effect is "MEA did poorly so EA decided to move BW Montreal to Motive". When the reality is more along the lines of "EA has been planning on building a major studio in Montreal and the plan was always for Bioware Montreal to move there. It started with them being moved to the same building months before MEA even shipped." Which is public knowledge and which Schreier failed to include in his article as well. There's facts, and then there's framing the facts in such a way to sell a certain narrative. It's quite clear this is what Schreier was engaging in. Here's the article. Please point out the embellishment. You're implying that EA decided to merge studios long before ME:A dropped. That suggests that they probably had no intentions to publish a sequel and perhaps not even DLC regardless of ME:A's performance. EA would have proceeded accordingly even if ME:A had been a smashing success. EA decided to bump up a support studio to a full production studio just to scale it back down to support studio then merge it with another studio. I don't believe that. Do you? We still don't know why exactly BW Montreal was "terminated" but if I had to take a guess it's probably because of their gross mismanagement of EA's resources. Therefore it is related to Andromeda's performance. So, Schreier got the big picture right but didn't get the smaller details. Edit: before it gets lost, it needs to be reminded, most of you here vehemently claimed that there was no merger, that it was a simple office move. You were wrong. I'm on mobile so I'm not gonna go through every line of his article to point out what is fact and what is flowery language about devs slaving away and whatnot. You yourself said Schreier didn't get the smaller details right. The details are what make the difference between a factual article and an embellished one. I never claimed this was not a merger. And yes it's entirely possible that EA dismantled Montreal due to poor management of resources during MEA's development, which again implied the decision was taken before MEA dropped and would have happened regardless of MEA's reception. Which anyone with two functioning eyes could see was not going to be great based on how the game shipped. I find it hard to believe anyone at Montreal seriously thought they were going to get to make a sequel.
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Edit: before it gets lost, it needs to be reminded, most of you here vehemently claimed that there was no merger, that it was a simple office move. You were wrong. Nah, most folks just said there was no merger until EA said there was a merger. When the word got out, then that was that. There's nothing wrong with or unusual about waiting for official word about something. Except many of you did not wait for official word of anything. Several forum denizens (and redditors) fiercely asserted that it was just an office move, that the merger rumors were wrong, that Schreier made it all up. Matter of fact, here and here. 1st page. I see you "liked" that 2nd one.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 7:16:38 GMT
Nah, most folks just said there was no merger until EA said there was a merger. When the word got out, then that was that. There's nothing wrong with or unusual about waiting for official word about something. Except many of you did not wait for official word of anything. Several forum denizens (and redditors) fiercely asserted that it was just an office move, that the merger rumors were wrong, that Schreier made it all up. Matter of fact, here and here. 1st page. I see you "liked" that 2nd one. Both of those news reports were before the announcement about the merger. There were reports of Bioware Montreal and Motive sharing the same office space. When the merger reports came out clearly, then it became clearer.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 7:22:54 GMT
I'm on mobile so I'm not gonna go through every line of his article to point out what is fact and what is flowery language about devs slaving away and whatnot. You yourself said Schreier didn't get the smaller details right. The details are what make the difference between a factual article and an embellished one. I never claimed this was not a merger. And yes it's entirely possible that EA dismantled Montreal due to poor management of resources during MEA's development, which again implied the decision was taken before MEA dropped and would have happened regardless of MEA's reception. Which anyone with two functioning eyes could see was not going to be great based on how the game shipped. I find it hard to believe anyone at Montreal seriously thought they were going to get to make a sequel. Ok, so you don't know what was embellished otherwise it'd be easy for you to quickly find it. Got it. He got the action right: BW Montreal was moved to EA Motive. He probably was not given the official reason because it was privileged information when he was researching the story. But nah, because he got the reason wrong the entire article is a lie and he's untrustworthy even when everything he reported actually happened. Let's roll with your theory: EA decided to dismantle the studio before Andromeda dropped. The game was in a terrible state when it shipped. Thus, BWM was dismantled because Andromeda was a mess. That's pretty much Schreier's article.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 7:26:57 GMT
Both of those news reports were before the announcement about the merger. There were reports of Bioware Montreal and Motive sharing the same office space. When the merger reports came out clearly, then it became clearer. Translation: we were wrong but we'll pretend we were being prudent throughout. You guys got caught with your pants down. It happens.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 7:28:00 GMT
Both of those news reports were before the announcement about the merger. There were reports of Bioware Montreal and Motive sharing the same office space. When the merger reports came out clearly, then it became clearer. Translation: we were wrong but we'll pretend we were being prudent throughout. You guys got caught with your pants down. It happens. No, all it means is we waited for official word that there was a merger. Until there was official word, it was right to point out there was no official word.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 7:33:25 GMT
Translation: we were wrong but we'll pretend we were being prudent throughout. You guys got caught with your pants down. It happens. No, all it means is we waited for official word that there was a merger. Until there was official word, it was right to point out there was no official word. While simultaneously attacking anyone who said it was a merger, or that no DLC was coming, or calling Schreier a liar, etc. etc. etc. Hell, I was called an idiot for explaining how mergers work and specifically said it takes time. Here we are. Some of you still assert there will be DLC or that Edmonton will pick up ME:A. Without any official word. Delusion is quite a thing.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 7:39:41 GMT
No, all it means is we waited for official word that there was a merger. Until there was official word, it was right to point out there was no official word. While simultaneously attacking anyone who said it was a merger, or that no DLC was coming, or calling Schreier a liar, etc. etc. etc. Hell, I was called an idiot for explaining how mergers work and specifically said it takes time. Here we are. Some of you still assert there will be DLC or that Edmonton will pick up ME:A. Without any official word. Delusion is quite a thing. Well if saying that we have no confirmation of merger before there is confirmation of a merger is an "attack" instead of just stating a fact... uh... sure. There's no official word on "no DLC", so until then there's a chance we'll have DLC. The "merger" was planned far in advance before Andromeda dropped. The game was designed for more story DLC, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Austin and/or Edmonton is working on Single Player DLC. Are you calling me delusional? Personal attacks are a no-no here. If you have issues with being called something by somebody, it would probably be helpful to talk to that person about it.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 3, 2017 7:48:48 GMT
I'm on mobile so I'm not gonna go through every line of his article to point out what is fact and what is flowery language about devs slaving away and whatnot. You yourself said Schreier didn't get the smaller details right. The details are what make the difference between a factual article and an embellished one. I never claimed this was not a merger. And yes it's entirely possible that EA dismantled Montreal due to poor management of resources during MEA's development, which again implied the decision was taken before MEA dropped and would have happened regardless of MEA's reception. Which anyone with two functioning eyes could see was not going to be great based on how the game shipped. I find it hard to believe anyone at Montreal seriously thought they were going to get to make a sequel. Ok, so you don't know what was embellished otherwise it'd be easy for you to quickly find it. Got it. He got the action right: BW Montreal was moved to EA Motive. He probably was not given the official reason because it was privileged information when he was researching the story. But nah, because he got the reason wrong the entire article is a lie and he's untrustworthy even when everything he reported actually happened. Let's roll with your theory: EA decided to dismantle the studio before Andromeda dropped. The game was in a terrible state when it shipped. Thus, BWM was dismantled because Andromeda was a mess. That's pretty much Schreier's article. I literally pointed out what was embellished in my original post. He had incomplete information: BW Montreal was moved to EA Motive but he didn't know why. So he guessed at the reason. That's embellishment. I also didn't say his entire article was a lie, I merely said that's why people have a hard time taking anything he says at face value without any other corroborating statements by EA. I really do not know why and when EA decided to merge its Montreal studios, I'm just guessing at the details, same as you and Schreier. I don't have anything against him or his articles. I just prefer to wait for official word before believing anonymous sources.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 7:51:51 GMT
Well if saying that we have no confirmation of merger before there is confirmation of a merger is an "attack" instead of just stating a fact... uh... sure. There's no official word on "no DLC", so until then there's a chance we'll have DLC. The "merger" was planned far in advance before Andromeda dropped. The game was designed for more story DLC, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Austin and/or Edmonton is working on Single Player DLC. Are you calling me delusional? Personal attacks are a no-no here. If you have issues with being called something by somebody, it would probably be helpful to talk to that person about it. Again the two links: here and here. Show me the sentence "let's wait for official confirmation" or similar because all I read is "simply share office space." That's quite the definitive statement to make without official confirmation. Show me official word that the merger was planned before Andromeda dropped. Show me official word that indicates the other BW studios are working on SP DLC. All you have is conjecture (love the " " around merger; EA used it in its official statement. ) Peeps around here have been hostile towards those who dare criticize ME:A and this has been going on for weeks and months. Just so we are all on the same level, tell me where the goalposts are now so I can score.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 7:58:44 GMT
I literally pointed out what was embellished in my original post. He had incomplete information: BW Montreal was moved to EA Motive but he didn't know why. So he guessed at the reason. That's embellishment. I also didn't say his entire article was a lie, I merely said that's why people have a hard time taking anything he says at face value without any other corroborating statements by EA. I really do not know why and when EA decided to merge its Montreal studios, I'm just guessing at the details, same as you and Schreier. I don't have anything against him or his articles. I just prefer to wait for official word before believing anonymous sources. How do you know he guessed at the reason and embellished it? Prove it. Perhaps that's the information he was given and he published exactly what he was told. Anyways, thanks for confirming you're guessing the details. By your own logic that's embellishment.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 8:00:23 GMT
Well if saying that we have no confirmation of merger before there is confirmation of a merger is an "attack" instead of just stating a fact... uh... sure. There's no official word on "no DLC", so until then there's a chance we'll have DLC. The "merger" was planned far in advance before Andromeda dropped. The game was designed for more story DLC, so it's not out of the realm of possibility that Austin and/or Edmonton is working on Single Player DLC. Are you calling me delusional? Personal attacks are a no-no here. If you have issues with being called something by somebody, it would probably be helpful to talk to that person about it. Again the two links: here and here. Show me the sentence "let's wait for official confirmation" or similar because all I read is "simply share office space." That's quite the definitive statement to make without official confirmation. Show me official word that the merger was planned before Andromeda dropped. Show me official word that indicates the other BW studios are working on SP DLC. All you have is conjecture (love the " " around merger; EA used it in its official statement. ) Peeps around here have been hostile towards those who dare criticize ME:A and this has been going on for weeks and months. Just so we are all on the same level, tell me where the goalposts are now so I can score. *shrug* I read reports that Bioware Montreal was sharing space with Motive back in January. I also read reports that they were just sharing space, then later I read reports that the merger was announced. There's nothing mysterious or goalposty about anything, that's just what happened as I browse the forums. I'm naturally not going to believe there's a merger until EA says there's been a merger, again, nothing complicated or goalposty about that. Peeps have been hostile towards those who dare to not agree with their opinions both pro and con Andromeda, that's the internet. Again, if you have a particular problem with a particular person, talk to them or report them.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 3, 2017 8:04:41 GMT
No, all it means is we waited for official word that there was a merger. Until there was official word, it was right to point out there was no official word. While simultaneously attacking anyone who said it was a merger, or that no DLC was coming, or calling Schreier a liar, etc. etc. etc. Hell, I was called an idiot for explaining how mergers work and specifically said it takes time. Here we are. Some of you still assert there will be DLC or that Edmonton will pick up ME:A. Without any official word. Delusion is quite a thing. Even with all this BioWare has yet to say one way or another: between the hoax, Jason, and now this. You think at one of those points they would have said something concrete on the state of dlc. All they've said officially is that "we can't talk about it." Till then, no one is right and no one is wrong. All we have is speculation.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 3, 2017 8:11:37 GMT
I literally pointed out what was embellished in my original post. He had incomplete information: BW Montreal was moved to EA Motive but he didn't know why. So he guessed at the reason. That's embellishment. I also didn't say his entire article was a lie, I merely said that's why people have a hard time taking anything he says at face value without any other corroborating statements by EA. I really do not know why and when EA decided to merge its Montreal studios, I'm just guessing at the details, same as you and Schreier. I don't have anything against him or his articles. I just prefer to wait for official word before believing anonymous sources. How do you know he guessed at the reason and embellished it? Prove it. Perhaps that's the information he was given and he published exactly what he was told. Anyways, thanks for confirming you're guessing the details. By your own logic that's embellishment. Yes I'm guessing, difference is I'm an anonymous person on an internet forum, not a journalist that people read in order to get serious and accurate information on a video game. Why do I have to prove anything? The burden of proof is on the journalist making the claims. His proof is "an anonymous source told me". It's my prerogative as a reader to doubt that kind of information. Why do you care whether I believe him or not? How does it affect you?
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 8:12:09 GMT
*shrug* I read reports that Bioware Montreal was sharing space with Motive back in January. I also read reports that they were just sharing space, then later I read reports that the merger was announced. There's nothing mysterious or goalposty about anything, that's just what happened as I browse the forums. I'm naturally not going to believe there's a merger until EA says there's been a merger, again, nothing complicated or goalposty about that. Peeps have been hostile towards those who dare to not agree with their opinions both pro and con Andromeda, that's the internet. Again, if you have a particular problem with a particular person, talk to them or report them. Yet you naturally believe there's DLC coming and BW will pick up Andro because "it's in the realm of possibility." No official word needed. A merger though? Well outside the realm! Need more confirmation than EA CFO Jorgensen otherwise not real! Please. I read reddit comments that concluded there was a merger or absorption taking place months ago, around the time Schreier published his article. Those people got it right. Many of you got caught with your pants down. It's fine, it happens.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 3, 2017 8:18:47 GMT
Andrew Waples There won't be DLC. I'll buy it for you if it drops. It won't. haolyn You don't have to prove anything, I don't care whether you believe him or not, and it does not affect me. You admitted that he got it right except for a few erroneous details. I got the answer I wanted. Thanks!
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