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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 14:04:59 GMT
You know what? I'm going to assume the problems are addressed or being addressed. Hudson's hiring is a good sign, but those heavyweights on payroll with HR, marketing and legal had also better be addressed or just gone. BioWare STILL looks like the hated pariah in gaming and development circles. This is EA's solution to their image problem? This is marketing? This is where money is spent to experiment with an idea and see where it takes us bullcrap? How about defending the studio's integrity instead of all this other garbage. Let the product speak for itself... MORONS. How about reconnecting with the fan base? How about not using awful pricing schemes and cutting corners? How about not cutting up vanilla and stifling real expansions? BioWare, do better. You only have to look back at pre-EA history and see where it all went right. EA is doing well, though? Last year alone they released two GOTYs, delayed MEA. You can't blame them for BioWare not having a functional product with no "Whoa!' factor to be displayed in the marketing push during the last weeks. Okay. You're right. I want a scapegoat.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 2, 2017 14:11:14 GMT
Let's see. Controversial poster. Controversial dev. Controversial Kotaku article.
Sure you don't want to throw in there that MEA was a financial failure or use the term "SJW"? 😂😂
All joking aside, I never really doubted Jason's article about the troubled dev cycle. It made sense, and his sources were devs that worked at Bioware at the time of MEA's development. Not "people close to people who know people who work at Bioware as the janitor." I only ever had an issue with his interpretation of what that info meant.
As for M. Heir, I don't really care what he has to say about pretty much anything.
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Post by kino on Aug 2, 2017 14:16:47 GMT
Whenever I see M.H.'s name in the title of a thread I figure it's safe to just sit back and wait for the eventual fireworks...because there will be fireworks.
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Post by warrior on Aug 2, 2017 14:27:23 GMT
lol my thoughts exactly Now strap my arms down to that chair before I read on so I can't reply to any more comments
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 14:30:11 GMT
Derp. I took the bait.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 2, 2017 14:33:14 GMT
Wasn't this strange Manveer dude part of the reason why this environment turned to shit?
Thats like a virus bitching about its dieing host.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 14:59:49 GMT
Wasn't this strange Manveer dude part of the reason why this environment turned to shit? Thats like a virus bitching about its dieing host. You know what I think? He's just a symptom of bad HR and PR. That's all. He appears to be a guy with a sense of humor. He can laugh at himself. Apparently, if he was there for seven years, then BioWare saw a lot of good in him. It might be another lead who just got tired of the environment and helped exasperate it with his tweets. All I know is the first time I ever heard about this guy was almost a year before Andromeda's launch. That's just a couple of videos. It's old news... let's hope it's no longer relevant.
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Post by warrior on Aug 2, 2017 15:28:31 GMT
Wasn't this strange Manveer dude part of the reason why this environment turned to shit? Thats like a virus bitching about its dieing host. You know what I think? He's just a symptom of bad HR and PR. That's all. He appears to be a guy with a sense of humor. He can laugh at himself. Apparently, if he was there for seven years, then BioWare saw a lot of good in him. It might be another lead who just got tired of the environment and helped exasperate it with his tweets. All I know is the first time I ever heard about this guy was almost a year before Andromeda's launch. That's just a couple of videos. It's old news... let's hope it's no longer relevant. Wait a minute, Manveer Heir is the toxic actor in this situation? Not the neckbeards who make these videos about "SJW bigotry" and "pandering"?
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 2, 2017 15:31:50 GMT
and why this man's tweet is important for us here?
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 15:31:51 GMT
I'm not sure which I find more amusing, the nick names for this douchebag dev that is Manveer Heir or the cult fascination a few have with some Kotaku article. "Cult Fascination with some article?" I thought the only person doing that was Suikoden. Also SofaJockey . Mind if I use that GIF? This should be amusing.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 15:32:47 GMT
Wasn't this strange Manveer dude part of the reason why this environment turned to shit? Thats like a virus bitching about its dieing host. I'd say Manveer Heir was serious case of professional victim.
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Post by LFS on Aug 2, 2017 15:44:45 GMT
This thread is now about popcorn gifs.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 15:48:04 GMT
You know what I think? He's just a symptom of bad HR and PR. That's all. He appears to be a guy with a sense of humor. He can laugh at himself. Apparently, if he was there for seven years, then BioWare saw a lot of good in him. It might be another lead who just got tired of the environment and helped exasperate it with his tweets. All I know is the first time I ever heard about this guy was almost a year before Andromeda's launch. That's just a couple of videos. It's old news... let's hope it's no longer relevant. Wait a minute, Manveer Heir is the toxic actor in this situation? Not the neckbeards who make these videos about "SJW bigotry" and "pandering"? My theory is that, because of Manveer Heir's overtly racist tweets, people started jumping to conclusions thinking EVERYONE working on ME:A was a "SJW" and SJW's are like boogiemen to a fair amount of gamers. I mean at this point idc if someone doesn't like ME:A, it's their opinion, but when they bring in the usage of SJW or anything among those lines to criticize it, I lose any sort of respect for them.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 15:50:12 GMT
You know what I think? He's just a symptom of bad HR and PR. That's all. He appears to be a guy with a sense of humor. He can laugh at himself. Apparently, if he was there for seven years, then BioWare saw a lot of good in him. It might be another lead who just got tired of the environment and helped exasperate it with his tweets. All I know is the first time I ever heard about this guy was almost a year before Andromeda's launch. That's just a couple of videos. It's old news... let's hope it's no longer relevant. Wait a minute, Manveer Heir is the toxic actor in this situation? Not the neckbeards who make these videos about "SJW bigotry" and "pandering"? Hey now... wait... Neither of these guys match neckbeard. Do you mean in spirit? I'm old so cut me some slack. Also, TH&C gets patreon support from me. So, I want to better understand.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 2, 2017 15:52:52 GMT
From his twitter feed: Some other guy: "Oh man, didn't even realize it got that bad." Manveer: "Oh, it got worse than anyone on the outside probably realizes." Some other guy: "Could I ask if this piece was accurate?" (The Kotaku article). Manveer: "Most of that stuff was accurate, but there is a lot left out IMO" Sounds like there was a lot of internal conflict and infighting - but then again, consider the source... Sounds like he left of his own accord though. Manveer Heir? Again??? This is truly... Actually... Also: Hahahaha that's an awesome gif!!! how do i search for it? Well that is Jason Momoa for you... expect the unexpected.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 15:53:19 GMT
Let's see. Controversial poster. Controversial dev. Controversial Kotaku article. Sure you don't want to throw in there that MEA was a financial failure or use the term "SJW"? 😂😂 All joking aside, I never really doubted Jason's article about the troubled dev cycle. It made sense, and his sources were devs that worked at Bioware at the time of MEA's development. Not "people close to people who know people who work at Bioware as the janitor." I only ever had an issue with his interpretation of what that info meant. As for M. Heir, I don't really care what he has to say about pretty much anything. I kinda feel that Suikoden is trying to find anything to stay relevant.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 2, 2017 15:59:35 GMT
Let's see. Controversial poster. Controversial dev. Controversial Kotaku article. Sure you don't want to throw in there that MEA was a financial failure or use the term "SJW"? 😂😂 All joking aside, I never really doubted Jason's article about the troubled dev cycle. It made sense, and his sources were devs that worked at Bioware at the time of MEA's development. Not "people close to people who know people who work at Bioware as the janitor." I only ever had an issue with his interpretation of what that info meant. As for M. Heir, I don't really care what he has to say about pretty much anything. I kinda feel that Suikoden is trying to find anything to stay relevant. Everything so far that is being found relevant is irrelevant.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 2, 2017 16:01:32 GMT
I see the cries in the YouTube feeds.
e.g. one from a few minutes ago: "Keep the SJW garbage away from gaming. LOL"
As the same-sex content in MEA could be considered to be a 'mixed' success, BioWare are getting it in the neck there too.
I'd like to see them make interesting games with a diverse cast, but achieving that with such a divided culture is problematic.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 16:06:55 GMT
How much long before some of the forum's drones say he's wrong? This thread will be magnificent. FFS, I'd rather you not call people here forum drones, unless you talk about pouf/fluffy then I'm ok with it. When it comes to my posts about this article, I mean the guy was making some pretty nasty statements towards white people on his twitter feed, then on Rev3games he went on saying something like, "We need more diversity in games." I mean what was going on there was hypocritical. To me this article kinda seems like he's trying to go, "Hey, wait a minute everyone, this is why I was making those racist statements!". Plus Suikoden is a controversial poster on here. That's my reasoning for dismissing OP. It's possible that several other people left Bioware during development for similar reasons.
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Post by timebean on Aug 2, 2017 16:11:50 GMT
Yay! Cats and popcorn! As the cat on the right, I can't wait to see who says the first terrible thing and who will get the last stab in before the thread is locked. Since I have been reading more than posting lately, I have my own bets on who will do what (but perhaps I will be surprised this time around). As the cat on the left, I wonder why anyone cares what this crap ex-Bioware employee has to say about anything. The chip on his shoulder must painful at this point. As a pangolin...I wonder if I can just start blaming M.H. for the lack of volus in the MEA. I need a scapegoat, damnit!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 16:15:56 GMT
Wait a minute, Manveer Heir is the toxic actor in this situation? Not the neckbeards who make these videos about "SJW bigotry" and "pandering"? My theory is that, because of Manveer Heir's overtly racist tweets, people started jumping to conclusions thinking EVERYONE working on ME:A was a "SJW" and SJW's are like boogiemen to a fair amount of gamers. I mean at this point idc if someone doesn't like ME:A, it's their opinion, but when they bring in the usage of SJW or anything among those lines to criticize it, I lose any sort of respect for them. I believe it has to do more with Bioware taking so long to do anything about all his BS. This guy should have been fired a long time ago when all of it first came to light.
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Post by malgus on Aug 2, 2017 16:16:50 GMT
The words of this asshole does not mean anything to me, now MAYBE what he says is true, that is possible. I just don't give a fuck about it, for months and months that guy not only putted racist tweets over and over again which is already shitty, but he gave tons of ammo to the people accusing BW of being an "SJW company" therefore bringing bad publicity to the company he was working for. There is two possibilities in this kind of situation when he brought this much bad press to BW. 1. He made his racists while knowing that the tweets themselves brought shit to the image of BW, not caring about anyone who had a job there. So if he knew about it and yet didn't care, he was ultra selfish on top of being a bigot. 2. But let's say he did not know about the bad publicity, let's say he was not aware of how everyone is online right now and information travels extremly fast and its no different than a domino effect. If that is the case, he was extremly incompetent. Not knowing you are bringing shit to the the company working for with your biggoted tweets, you would have to be blind to not see it happen. And I have a hard time believing he could not predict the results of his racist tweets on twitters, because back in 2013 he had this let's say "interesting exchange" with Adam orth a microsoft employee. You remember the shitstorm that happen back in 2013 with the xbox one always online drm? Well orth made insulting tweets about the concerns of players, and manveer heir was the one responding to him. 0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/70/92/5fef2e9513d1150050208869ecfc2336.jpgAnd considering orth was fired after those tweets because of the amounts of bad publicity it brought to microsoft, It would be highly surprising that heir still did not know about how tweets can bring bad publicity with just a few tweets. And if he did not learn about it after this experience, he would be even more blind than I thought. Which means that at best, he is extremly incompetent. Whatever talent he may have as a gameplay designer he sure for shit will bring a ton of bad press to the company he is working for. Maybe heir is saying the truth, its totally possible. Its just that considering the guy'S history, I don't take his word at face value. Now I am not saying that MEA bad reputation is only due to him, just that he certainly did not helped with his behavior.
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Post by Guts on Aug 2, 2017 16:17:08 GMT
My theory is that, because of Manveer Heir's overtly racist tweets, people started jumping to conclusions thinking EVERYONE working on ME:A was a "SJW" and SJW's are like boogiemen to a fair amount of gamers. I mean at this point idc if someone doesn't like ME:A, it's their opinion, but when they bring in the usage of SJW or anything among those lines to criticize it, I lose any sort of respect for them. I believe it has to do more with Bioware taking so long to do anything about all his BS. This guy should have been fired a long time ago when all of it first came to light. I think that also plays a role in it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 2, 2017 16:29:42 GMT
How much long before some of the forum's drones say he's wrong? This thread will be magnificent. FFS, I'd rather you not call people here forum drones, unless you talk about pouf/fluffy then I'm ok with it. When it comes to my posts about this article, I mean the guy was making some pretty nasty statements towards white people on his twitter feed, then on Rev3games he went on saying something like, "We need more diversity in games." I mean what was going on there was hypocritical. To me this article kinda seems like he's trying to go, "Hey, wait a minute everyone, this is why I was making those racist statements!". Plus Suikoden is a controversial poster on here. That's my reasoning for dismissing OP. It's possible that several other people left Bioware during development for similar reasons. You're right. It's old news. We're not on the inside. We're on the outside looking in and I speculate DLC is on the way and maybe some neat stuff to go with it. That's all that matters now. Anthem is coming. My rig is coming. Winter is coming*. All is good. * Not a GOT reference. It's over 100 degrees here. F*** the sun.
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