Elephant in the Room

OTOH, it's a defensible claim. Given all the outright irrational persecution fears we see from Gamergate clowns, this doesn't seem like it's too far past our other data points.

Remember, he's being very careful to avoid saying that he agrees with these guys. He's just saying that they exist.

If you look towards games for that......🤦‍♂️

That was the whole point of changing FemRyder's face. They pretty much did a model photoshop job in reverse and purposely tried to make her look worse in an attempt to make some kind of ridiculous statement. Of course what they don't realize is that other than that ridiculous stance they also inferred that there was something wrong with the way Jayde Rossi looks which makes them nothing more than the self-imagined bullies they are so adamant to fight against. However it's fairly common for those with extreme views to be ignorant or even indifferent to the consequences of their actions.

There were a lot of discussions arguments on the old forums about how every game didn't need so-called bombshells. But all those against the idea simply ended up insulting those women that do look like so-called bombshells, supermodels or whatever you want to call them. The arguments were typically about how women in video games didn't look "normal" which pretty much overlooks the obvious and hilarious point that male characters in video games rarely look normal either. In fact it's a lot more easy for people to sympathize with a woman protagonist that's a normal size than to sympathize with a male that isn't some kind of muscled guy. There are exceptions here and there like Nathan Drake and Joel from "The Last of US" but they are few. But ok this is off topic,

I admit I was suspicious of the designs of Cassandra and Sera, especially considering that there were numerous changes to Cassandra's jawline during development. But I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt simply assuming that they wanted to try something new. I figured they wanted to try a character like Mhari from DA Awakening since people seemed to like that character. It's not like she was some supermodel anyway. No one in that game was... Now it's pretty obvious that some people at Bioware are politically motivated are making some questionable decisions.

I'm not sure what other conclusion I can draw wrt a supposed group of straight men complaining about the looks of some fictional characters that other straight men find perfectly attractive.

I'm a bit tempted here to start a discussion about the notion that the PC isn't me, the fantasy/sci-fi world I'm playing in isn't this one and probably has different standards, and BioWare designed the LIs to be appealing to the particular PC in question, but I'll let it go.


I agree - so long as you understand it's subject to individual tastes and preferences.


Personally, I find the deep wedgie and cameltoe gross. I learned pretty quickly to avoid the tasteless butt-cam conversation.  Ew...

Individual tastes and all.


Oh, goody - this BS again.

Tin foil hats notwithstanding, Sara Ryder looks no more or less like her face model than Scott does.

Plus - she's hot.

Who said anything about being insulted? If someone slaps you in the face it's wrong whether you feel insulted about it or not. Big time red herring there.

It's already been proven. If an artist in any studio did a job like that for any other game they'd be out of a job. There are practically waves of freelance artists that do more accurate jobs than that.

I will just say that when Sara's first model dropped in Andromeda?..(before the patches).... ...she looked nothing like her face model...something definitely got lost in transition there....

I never understood why this mattered. I know it does to some but it seems odd to me. I've played games with bodybuilders, nerds, weebs, geniuses, Black, White, Asian and whatever else and I never cared who the character was. As long as the game was fun and the story was OK it didn't matter who the protagonist was. Is the game going to somehow be better if the character looks or acts like me? I doubt it. It's a nice addition for create-a-character games for sure but it's just extra. It's not like I'm sitting at the screen and wishing I was ripped like Schwarzenegger or I was as smart as Sherlock Holmes or could do kung-fu like Jackie Chan. Ok so the Jackie Chan thing isn''t entirely true... But anyway this stuff needs to happen at home. Your kids aren't going to learn that people are different from playing video games nor are they going to learn to ignore the nonsense advertisements that lie about how people "should look" from them.

1. Google is your friend
2. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and the fact that you think it does is quite telling. So please, tell me how chess should be played O' Captain my captain.

It seems to matter enough to you to spin conspiracy stories about it.

How DARE I disagree!! Shall I extol you until I am worthy of your acceptance?

I didn't say anything about the character "looking like" the player. I said that maybe they were aiming to please/attract female players w/ Sara and didn't really care if the male players were attracted to her. Maybe they actually tested this and found that most female players responded more positively to that face, who knows wtf, the only point is that straight male attraction was not the priority--yet some men think that it's SJW sending them a special message just to say their desires are "wrong" because they are so used to the culture catering to those desires. And anyway "as long the game was fun and the story was OK" why does it matter how attractive the women are.