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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 4, 2017 18:34:13 GMT
This is blatantly untrue and the fact that you named yourself after one of the shittiest openings in chess only serves to underline how bad your points are. 1. Google is your friend 2. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and the fact that you think it does is quite telling. So please, tell me how chess should be played O' Captain my captain. Google is indeed my friend. Still doesn't make your assertion any more correct than it would be if Google and I weren't BFFs. Uhh go ahead and search any database for GM games with the Danish gambit. There are like 4 in the last 70 years. Any GM will state it's a trash opening. |
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 4, 2017 18:38:56 GMT
1. Google is your friend 2. This makes absolutely no sense whatsoever and the fact that you think it does is quite telling. So please, tell me how chess should be played O' Captain my captain. Google is indeed my friend. Still doesn't make your assertion any more correct than it would be if Google and I weren't BFFs. Uhh go ahead and search any database for GM games with the Danish gambit. There are like 4 in the last 70 years. Any GM will state it's a trash opening. 1. Work on your google-fu 2. Why do you assume that I care what opening I play Mr. Grandmaster? Are you going to tell me to git gud now? Maybe call me a noob? Are you 1337? lol... Maybe my arguments would be better if I was better at a board game? Ahh that must be it. Teach me senpai!! |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 4, 2017 18:44:19 GMT
It is? Hmm did I miss a memo somewhere? Cause I didn't get that message. That was the whole point of changing FemRyder's face. They pretty much did a model photoshop job in reverse and purposely tried to make her look worse in an attempt to make some kind of ridiculous statement. Of course what they don't realize is that other than that ridiculous stance they also inferred that there was something wrong with the way Jayde Rossi looks which makes them nothing more than the self-imagined bullies they are so adamant to fight against. However it's fairly common for those with extreme views to be ignorant or even indifferent to the consequences of their actions. There were a lot of discussions arguments on the old forums about how every game didn't need so-called bombshells. But all those against the idea simply ended up insulting those women that do look like so-called bombshells, supermodels or whatever you want to call them. The arguments were typically about how women in video games didn't look "normal" which pretty much overlooks the obvious and hilarious point that male characters in video games rarely look normal either. In fact it's a lot more easy for people to sympathize with a woman protagonist that's a normal size than to sympathize with a male that isn't some kind of muscled guy. There are exceptions here and there like Nathan Drake and Joel from "The Last of US" but they are few. But ok this is off topic, I admit I was suspicious of the designs of Cassandra and Sera, especially considering that there were numerous changes to Cassandra's jawline during development. But I gave Bioware the benefit of the doubt simply assuming that they wanted to try something new. I figured they wanted to try a character like Mhari from DA Awakening since people seemed to like that character. It's not like she was some supermodel anyway. No one in that game was... Now it's pretty obvious that some people at Bioware are politically motivated are making some questionable decisions.  |
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 4, 2017 18:45:32 GMT
I didn't say anything about the character "looking like" the player. I said that maybe they were aiming to please/attract female players w/ Sara and didn't really care if the male players were attracted to her. Maybe they actually tested this and found that most female players responded more positively to that face, who knows wtf, the only point is that straight male attraction was not the priority--yet some men think that it's SJW sending them a special message just to say their desires are "wrong" because they are so used to the culture catering to those desires. And anyway "as long the game was fun and the story was OK" why does it matter how attractive the women are. Pretty easy to make a defense when you can just write off any complaints as "straight male privilege". I wonder how easy it would be to brush off those same complaints when it is coming from a gay female player? Am I just too privileged as well?  I would say the face models in MEA aren't nearly as bad as the ones from DAI, but they are still pretty bad. I suppose in the end it is entirely BW's prerogative if they want their game filled with a bunch of (guess I'll be nice here) less than attractive characters. I'll just adjust my expectations and buying decisions better in the future. |
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 4, 2017 18:58:22 GMT
So cute! Did you get angry and stoop to ad-hominems just now? Oh my I didn't think civilized conversation would be difficult for such a knowledgeable chess player. Hmm maybe being good at board games doesn't correlate to everything in life after all. Hmm... Dear god. Calling you a dumbass isn't an ad hominem. It's just name calling. Looks like you're the one that needs to get better acquainted with Google. ad ho·mi·nem ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem 1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks" 2. relating to or associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton" I guess google isn't your friend... |
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So cute! Did you get angry and stoop to ad-hominems just now? Oh my I didn't think civilized conversation would be difficult for such a knowledgeable chess player. Hmm maybe being good at board games doesn't correlate to everything in life after all. Hmm... Dear god. Calling you a dumbass isn't an ad hominem. It's just name calling. Looks like you're the one that needs to get better acquainted with Google. Let's watch the name calling....  ....(practicing to be a mod)....*flexes*.....  |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 4, 2017 19:02:50 GMT
I didn't say anything about the character "looking like" the player. I said that maybe they were aiming to please/attract female players w/ Sara and didn't really care if the male players were attracted to her. Maybe they actually tested this and found that most female players responded more positively to that face, who knows wtf, the only point is that straight male attraction was not the priority--yet some men think that it's SJW sending them a special message just to say their desires are "wrong" because they are so used to the culture catering to those desires. And anyway "as long the game was fun and the story was OK" why does it matter how attractive the women are. Pretty easy to make a defense when you can just write off any complaints as "straight male privilege". I wonder how easy it would be to brush off those same complaints when it is coming from a gay female player? Am I just too privileged as well? I would say the face models in MEA aren't nearly as bad as the ones from DAI, but they are still pretty bad. I suppose in the end it is entirely BW's prerogative if they want their game filled with a bunch of (guess I'll be nice here) less than attractive characters. I'll just adjust my expectations and buying decisions better in the future. Attraction varies from person to person. |
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Post by warrior on Aug 4, 2017 19:05:24 GMT
I didn't say anything about the character "looking like" the player. I said that maybe they were aiming to please/attract female players w/ Sara and didn't really care if the male players were attracted to her. Maybe they actually tested this and found that most female players responded more positively to that face, who knows wtf, the only point is that straight male attraction was not the priority--yet some men think that it's SJW sending them a special message just to say their desires are "wrong" because they are so used to the culture catering to those desires. And anyway "as long the game was fun and the story was OK" why does it matter how attractive the women are. Pretty easy to make a defense when you can just write off any complaints as "straight male privilege". I wonder how easy it would be to brush off those same complaints when it is coming from a gay female player? Am I just too privileged as well? I would say the face models in MEA aren't nearly as bad as the ones from DAI, but they are still pretty bad. I suppose in the end it is entirely BW's prerogative if they want their game filled with a bunch of (guess I'll be nice here) less than attractive characters. I'll just adjust my expectations and buying decisions better in the future. Not any complaint made, just the majority of them, and certainly the loudest ones--and anyway this thread is actually about hetero MEN and their desires, blaming the failure on BW not making supermodel characters for MEN, for sending MEN the message that their desires are wrong. Hetero male desire is the literal topic at hand--you are only piggybacking as someone also attracted to women--and the OP has not even considered including lesbians in the discussion of desirable female characters at all. This doesn't bother you; it only bothers you when I respond to his claim about male players and desire with points about male players and desire, as if I am the one who began the discussion about them and focused on them exclusively? And yes, I think it is perfectly arguable to say their response is born of entitlement and yours is not, for several reasons, but it would also be interesting to survey players and find out the % of lesbian players who actually make purchasing decisions based on their attraction to characters in games, let alone make 10 minute unhinged conspiratorial YT video rants about it, versus herero male players who do these things. Most people I know, gay or straight, do not give a flying fuck about how attracted they are to the characers in any media; the only people I've met who care about this are on BsN. |
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Wow the a new level of nastiness has erupted here. 😭
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Post by colfoley on Aug 4, 2017 19:12:21 GMT
I didn't say anything about the character "looking like" the player. I said that maybe they were aiming to please/attract female players w/ Sara and didn't really care if the male players were attracted to her. Maybe they actually tested this and found that most female players responded more positively to that face, who knows wtf, the only point is that straight male attraction was not the priority--yet some men think that it's SJW sending them a special message just to say their desires are "wrong" because they are so used to the culture catering to those desires. And anyway "as long the game was fun and the story was OK" why does it matter how attractive the women are. Pretty easy to make a defense when you can just write off any complaints as "straight male privilege". I wonder how easy it would be to brush off those same complaints when it is coming from a gay female player? Am I just too privileged as well? I would say the face models in MEA aren't nearly as bad as the ones from DAI, but they are still pretty bad. I suppose in the end it is entirely BW's prerogative if they want their game filled with a bunch of (guess I'll be nice here) less than attractive characters. I'll just adjust my expectations and buying decisions better in the future. ...are you saying you base your buying decisions for entertainment products based on how attractive the characters are? |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 4, 2017 19:13:13 GMT
Wow the a new level of nastiness has erupted here. 😭 don't blame me.... ... I just got here. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 4, 2017 19:14:08 GMT
That was the whole point of changing FemRyder's face. They pretty much did a model photoshop job in reverse and purposely tried to make her look worse in an attempt to make some kind of ridiculous statement. Of course what they don't realize is that other than that ridiculous stance they also inferred that there was something wrong with the way Jayde Rossi looks which makes them nothing more than the self-imagined bullies they are so adamant to fight against. However it's fairly common for those with extreme views to be ignorant or even indifferent to the consequences of their actions. "Bullies" is crazy. Game designers are allowed to make their characters look however they like. Actually, the thing you're describing is crazy too. Bio's paying for an expensive face, and then paying to change it. Why not just buy the face they wanted? |
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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 4, 2017 19:18:01 GMT
Dear god. Calling you a dumbass isn't an ad hominem. It's just name calling. Looks like you're the one that needs to get better acquainted with Google. ad ho·mi·nem ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem 1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks" 2. relating to or associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton" I guess google isn't your friend... An ad hominem is dismissing an argument because of someone's character or attacking someone's character INSTEAD of their argument. Basically it would be saying "You're a dumbass, therefore your argument is invalid." If you attack someone's argument and THEN call them a dumbass, that's just name calling. Seriously, do they not teach this shit in high school anymore? I didn't think I was old enough to really be disconnected from the curricula. |
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Wow the a new level of nastiness has erupted here. 😭 don't blame me.... ... I just got here. 😂 |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
Hmm... Again, my opinion on whether it looks "good" or "attractive" or not isn't relevant. The fact is that this ain't what it's supposed to be. Don't get me wrong; Yvonne Strahovski's model wasn't perfect either but oh boy was it leaps and bounds more accurate. And y'know it looks like they did a pretty good job with our boy Steve. How closely the in-game characters resemble their IRL models is also a matter of opinion. Mine says that Scott's, Sara's, and Miranda's are roughly equal in how closely they resemble their models. I'm not quite sure how the interwebz managed to concoct some political conspiracy theory based on the in-game, 3D rendition of a person's face, but that's the interwebz for ya. |
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 4, 2017 19:20:36 GMT
ad ho·mi·nem ˌad ˈhämənəm/ adverb & adjective adverb: ad hominem; adjective: ad hominem 1. (of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining. "vicious ad hominem attacks" 2. relating to or associated with a particular person. "the office was created ad hominem for Fenton" I guess google isn't your friend... An ad hominem is dismissing an argument because of someone's character or attacking someone's character INSTEAD of their argument. Basically it would be saying "You're a dumbass, therefore your argument is invalid." If you attack someone's argument and THEN call them a dumbass, that's just name calling. Seriously, do they not teach this shit in high school anymore? I didn't think I was old enough to really be disconnected from the curricula. You do realize that calling someone what you called me is an argument against my intelligence yes? You do understand the meanings of the words you use yes? Perhaps it's a word you use so much that you've forgotten the meaning. That is unfortunate. I suppose you also have no issue with "name-calling" either which is also unfortunate. Do they not teach manners in Pre-K anymore? I didn't think I was old enough to be really disconnected from the curricula. |
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 4, 2017 19:26:47 GMT
Hmm... Again, my opinion on whether it looks "good" or "attractive" or not isn't relevant. The fact is that this ain't what it's supposed to be. Don't get me wrong; Yvonne Strahovski's model wasn't perfect either but oh boy was it leaps and bounds more accurate. And y'know it looks like they did a pretty good job with our boy Steve. How closely the in-game characters resemble their IRL models is also a matter of opinion. Mine says that Scott's, Sara's, and Miranda's are roughly equal in how closely they resemble their models. I'm not quite sure how the interwebz managed to concoct some political conspiracy theory based on the in-game, 3D rendition of a person's face, but that's the interwebz for ya. OPINION? REALLY? Her nose looks the same to you? Her cheek bones? Next you'll tell me that apples look like chairs and that's an ok opinion. No way lol. |
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 4, 2017 19:36:49 GMT
And yes, I think it is perfectly arguable to say their response is born of entitlement and yours is not, for several reasons, but it would also be interesting to survey players and find out the % of lesbian players who actually make purchasing decisions based on their attraction to characters in games, let alone make 10 minute unhinged conspiratorial YT video rants about it, versus herero male players who do these things. Most people I know, gay or straight, do not give a flying fuck about how attracted they are to the characers in any media; the only people I've met who care about this are on BsN. Obviously (or maybe it wasn't obvious I dunno) I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. I wouldn't say my purchasing decisions are based solely on that but it can certainly be a factor. Whether people "give a flying fuck" about attractiveness isn't really up for debate though is it? We have multi-billion dollar industries built around this premise, as I stated earlier. So it is an important factor in media whether people want it to be or not. I'll say my lack of interest in DAI was heavily influenced by this since there wasn't any gay women in that game I was remotely interested in following through the romance arcs for (then the game just got boring and I quit playing it anyway). As for the entitlement? That was definitely tongue in cheek since I find the whole modern concept of playing up to "victim" groups by pushing the idea that other groups are "entitled" or "privileged" to be complete and utter rubbish. But maybe that is just because I never saw myself as a "victim" to begin with. |
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Post by vonuber on Aug 4, 2017 19:38:42 GMT
OPINION? REALLY? Her nose looks the same to you? Her cheek bones? Next you'll tell me that apples look like chairs and that's an ok opinion. No way lol. Why does it matter to you? You can just create your own if you choose.   Also, you do realise that these are all Jayde Rossi? So which face do you choose as your comparison? And where's one without all the slap, photoshop and lighting? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 4, 2017 19:41:05 GMT
How closely the in-game characters resemble their IRL models is also a matter of opinion. Mine says that Scott's, Sara's, and Miranda's are roughly equal in how closely they resemble their models. I'm not quite sure how the interwebz managed to concoct some political conspiracy theory based on the in-game, 3D rendition of a person's face, but that's the interwebz for ya. OPINION? REALLY? Her nose looks the same to you? Her cheek bones? Next you'll tell me that apples look like chairs and that's an ok opinion. No way lol. It is, actually. Behold apple chairs:  |
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How closely the in-game characters resemble their IRL models is also a matter of opinion. Mine says that Scott's, Sara's, and Miranda's are roughly equal in how closely they resemble their models. I'm not quite sure how the interwebz managed to concoct some political conspiracy theory based on the in-game, 3D rendition of a person's face, but that's the interwebz for ya. OPINION? REALLY? Her nose looks the same to you? Her cheek bones? Next you'll tell me that apples look like chairs and that's an ok opinion. No way lol. Yes, opinion - unfortunately based on inadequate data. The only way to form an actual informed opinion on the topic is to visually compare images of the face model with the in-game rendition where both have the exact same hairstyle, makeup, facial expression, focal length and angle, lighting conditions, no photoshopping allowed. Since images that meet those qualifications are not available, any opinions we can form about the resemblance require assumptions and mental gymnastics. Based on the massively sub-optimal visual evidence available, I see little difference in the level of resemblance between Sheploo, Miranda, Sara, and Scott as compared to their face models. |
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Post by JulianVerse on Aug 4, 2017 19:43:36 GMT
An ad hominem is dismissing an argument because of someone's character or attacking someone's character INSTEAD of their argument. Basically it would be saying "You're a dumbass, therefore your argument is invalid." If you attack someone's argument and THEN call them a dumbass, that's just name calling. Seriously, do they not teach this shit in high school anymore? I didn't think I was old enough to really be disconnected from the curricula. You do realize that calling someone what you called me is an argument against their intelligence yes? You do understand the meanings of the words you use yes? Perhaps it's a word you use so much that you've forgotten the meaning. That is unfortunate. Lol, it's like you're not even paying attention. You made a blatantly untrue statement, I said your statement was blatantly untrue, then I insulted your intelligence for making an untrue statement by making a reference to your forum name. Again, that's not an ad hominem, that's just name calling. This isn't hard. But I'm checking out bc a mod/admin told me to knock it off, and I've already toned this post down quite a bit. |
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 4, 2017 19:44:54 GMT
Also, you do realise that these are all Jayde Rossi? So which face do you choose as your comparison? And where's one without all the slap, photoshop and lighting? I'd say those are all easily recognizable as the same person. There is a bit of similarity between Jayde and the default Sara in the same way cousins might have a similar look but certainly not in the same way default Scott or Shepard captured the likeness of their models so well. For that matter I never thought Miranda looked particularly close to her model either. I'd be willing to acknowledge BW is just bad at creating female faces being just as likely the cause as a SJW agenda.  |
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Post by warrior on Aug 4, 2017 20:26:05 GMT
And yes, I think it is perfectly arguable to say their response is born of entitlement and yours is not, for several reasons, but it would also be interesting to survey players and find out the % of lesbian players who actually make purchasing decisions based on their attraction to characters in games, let alone make 10 minute unhinged conspiratorial YT video rants about it, versus herero male players who do these things. Most people I know, gay or straight, do not give a flying fuck about how attracted they are to the characers in any media; the only people I've met who care about this are on BsN. Obviously (or maybe it wasn't obvious I dunno) I was being a bit tongue in cheek there. I wouldn't say my purchasing decisions are based solely on that but it can certainly be a factor. Whether people "give a flying fuck" about attractiveness isn't really up for debate though is it? We have multi-billion dollar industries built around this premise, as I stated earlier. So it is an important factor in media whether people want it to be or not. I'll say my lack of interest in DAI was heavily influenced by this since there wasn't any gay women in that game I was remotely interested in following through the romance arcs for (then the game just got boring and I quit playing it anyway). As for the entitlement? That was definitely tongue in cheek since I find the whole modern concept of playing up to "victim" groups by pushing the idea that other groups are "entitled" or "privileged" to be complete and utter rubbish. But maybe that is just because I never saw myself as a "victim" to begin with. I mean, I know by now you don't believe in privilege or entitlement or w/e we're calling it, but I also don't think discussions of media representation et al. are about victimhood at all in the way discussions of legal and economic conditions are. When we're talking about how a video game or film treats and/or ignores its demographics, I find behavior like this from men not so much "victimizing" as simply annoying and frustrating. It is, for ex, frustrating to me when hetero men complain so vigorously about the lack of supermodel-hot women in a game when there are hot women in, like, almost everything all the time, just for them (or more accurately, their $$$$)--and these characters aren't hideous by any conventional standard of beauty. Or when they insist that BW has a secret plot to ruin their fun by comparing facial models etc. when the facial model is an inspiration/base for a character, and not necessarily the exact vision the designers had in mind from the start when selecting her. I find Scott Ryder pretty unattractive and John Shepard pretty hot, but I don't see this as a reason to complain and make or share a YT video diagramming the comparison of skull features b/t the two characters to explain precisely why John Shepard is unequivocally a finer specimen than Scott Ryder and therefore BW has ruined Mass Effect for me; it's not as if Mass Effect was my one-stop-shop for erotic feelings, anyway... I don't think I've ever really been personally attracted to a man in any of these games, except maybe Reyes a bit, and TIM kinda, but I'm not assuming it's because the men at BW are "telling me my desires are wrong." I just assume that the people at BW and I have different ideas of 'sexy,' or that BW's goals for the game don't exactly match my preferences, and that's all right... (As long as the story is good, and I didn't think this one was so great, but you know...) You're right that many people care about how people look in things based on these standards--or else actresses could regularly play male love interests after 35 and more than like one or two people in a film generation would be overweight--I just don't know anyone who does IRL who does so it's been interesting to post after post about ugliness in this game and DAI for 4 months and see how/why people find it to be an issue. and I'm still honestly confused why it is so important. |
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