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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2017 23:15:14 GMT
the trouble is it seems people only care about bugs or Asari clones or wonky facial animations when they have an agenda. Been playing through the Witcher 3 recently and there have been bugs on par with those in Andromeda and some that are much worse. And many virtually identical human clones. That look exactly the same. Coupled with similar character and story writing Its hard to see why one gets universally praised and the other universally trashed. I don't have any agenda here. I didn't mention the Witcher 3 because I was only thinking about MEA. I don't tend to bring up other games unless I have an interesting comparison to make. To answer your thoughts though, I'm playing TW3 this evening and have had 2 quests bug out on me in the last hour. There are certainly many similarities in the NPCs in TW3, but not to the point where an entire race is composed of identical siblings. It's more like they created multiple NPCs from a limited number of features, like in the Sims 2. TW3 might be praised while MEA is trashed because the former was an unexpectedly excellent game from a relatively unknown developer, the pre-release demos were graphically similar to the released version, there wasn't a backlash from a previous game, and opinions weren't tainted by pre-release rumours and SJW nonsense spouted by people stuck in the 90s. Those are just meandering thoughts though. I would score TW3 higher than MEA for a lot of things, but I like MEA more than TW3. I think it's an expectation thing. We expected a great game from Bioware and got an ok one, but no one expected an award winning, GOTY, masterpiece from CD Projekt because they'd never made one. i didn't mean to.imply you had an agenda and am sorry it came off that way, just using your comment to expand on something I've noticed and is a curious phenomenon. As far as it goes I had really low expectations for MEA unlike past bioware games. Part of that was the ending and part of it was its marketing campaign lacked punch. But it exceeded those expectations.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 2, 2017 23:27:59 GMT
I don't have any agenda here. I didn't mention the Witcher 3 because I was only thinking about MEA. I don't tend to bring up other games unless I have an interesting comparison to make. To answer your thoughts though, I'm playing TW3 this evening and have had 2 quests bug out on me in the last hour. There are certainly many similarities in the NPCs in TW3, but not to the point where an entire race is composed of identical siblings. It's more like they created multiple NPCs from a limited number of features, like in the Sims 2. TW3 might be praised while MEA is trashed because the former was an unexpectedly excellent game from a relatively unknown developer, the pre-release demos were graphically similar to the released version, there wasn't a backlash from a previous game, and opinions weren't tainted by pre-release rumours and SJW nonsense spouted by people stuck in the 90s. Those are just meandering thoughts though. I would score TW3 higher than MEA for a lot of things, but I like MEA more than TW3. I think it's an expectation thing. We expected a great game from Bioware and got an ok one, but no one expected an award winning, GOTY, masterpiece from CD Projekt because they'd never made one. i didn't mean to.imply you had an agenda and am sorry it came off that way, just using your comment to expand on something I've noticed and is a curious phenomenon. As far as it goes I had really low expectations for MEA unlike past bioware games. Part of that was the ending and part of it was its marketing campaign lacked punch. But it exceeded those expectations. I started off with low expectations, but do you remember those vids released ages ago exploring with Peebee? I first got excited when I first saw that. I still get excited when I hear the Andromeda music when I load up the game. I didn't think you meant anything negative. I was just trying to clarify where I come from. I can come across a bit blunt sometimes.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 2, 2017 23:28:14 GMT
Just goes to sho how gorgeous your Sara is. Eh, Frostbite works pretty well to be fair. I'm looking forward to anarchy65 telling me how crap the graphics are though. Well you've given her a really pretty face is what I meant. The kind of pretty face I like to try to give my heroes in these games. But yeah faces do look better in MEA compared to most games on Frostbite. DAI's for example looks a bit cartoonish in comparison and up until MEA I've not really been that impressed by faces in Frostbite. Although it looks like Battlefront 2 looks like it's good some good faces so it's obviously something they've been working on to improve.
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Post by ATR16 on Aug 2, 2017 23:58:43 GMT
No. For the state it released in, it got the treatment it deserved. I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 0:00:07 GMT
I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. That's a really shitty way to look at life.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 0:11:09 GMT
i didn't mean to.imply you had an agenda and am sorry it came off that way, just using your comment to expand on something I've noticed and is a curious phenomenon. As far as it goes I had really low expectations for MEA unlike past bioware games. Part of that was the ending and part of it was its marketing campaign lacked punch. But it exceeded those expectations. I started off with low expectations, but do you remember those vids released ages ago exploring with Peebee? I first got excited when I first saw that. I still get excited when I hear the Andromeda music when I load up the game. I didn't think you meant anything negative. I was just trying to clarify where I come from. I can come across a bit blunt sometimes. Me too. 😉
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 3, 2017 0:14:01 GMT
I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. Personally, I expect a restaurant review to reflect the food now, not the food from five months ago. Only having a review from months ago is a problem.
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Post by Sifr on Aug 3, 2017 0:20:59 GMT
I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. Would you judge a person by the same criteria? We don't start out with that many features, often sport a less than impressive visual appearance even once all the grime is removed and our controls can be a bit wobbly at first. Unlike games, it takes us frigging years before we're able to resolve the issues we were plagued with at launch.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 3, 2017 0:22:21 GMT
I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. Personally, I expect a restaurant review to reflect the food now, not the food from five months ago. Only having a review from months ago is a problem. Yeah, but you couldn't say the people who reviewed the restaurant when it first opened were being too harsh, or fault them if they found somewhere else to eat out at and never went back.
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Post by azuremazey on Aug 3, 2017 0:25:00 GMT
I personally enjoyed the game. But, some criticism was warranted and not too harsh I believe. There were errors/bugs, and things that did or are hoping going to get addressed and fixed.
That said, I feel that a lot of people went on that "hate train", after seeing one or two posts about Addison for example, and just went too far. Some didn't even play it. If they don't want to buy it, that's fair enough. But there's a free trial at least, they could give it a shot before completely writing it off. If it's not a person's type of game, I can understand that.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 3, 2017 0:57:53 GMT
I believe we werent harsh enough! Most of the critics focused on animations and bugs when really there was more than just that like Bioware's inability to creative open worlds with emergent gameplay and the media gave Bioware a free pass on the copy and paste Asari faces.
I hope Anthem fails to which will force Bioware to go back to the drawing board and focus on what made them popular with BG, NWN, and KOTOR. Hopefully DA4 is the conclusion to the franchise.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 3, 2017 1:12:26 GMT
Hey, anyone else remember when the emptiness of the ME1 worlds was being talked about it like it was a good thing? Because immersion, realism, or some such. Then we get to ME:A and it's a problem. I'm thinking that the real problem with ME:A was that it was based on the weakest of the ME games. Which I guess means that the game is being judged fairly.
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Post by marshalmoriarty on Aug 3, 2017 1:23:53 GMT
My opinion hasn't really changed. I always felt it was a decent game, but very far from being the great game it could have been. I was pleasently surprised that the openish world structure worked far better in MEA than in DAI and the side questing had more substance to it. Given my low opinion of ME3, I felt this was a promising new entry to a series that had already stalled for me. I greatly enjoyed the change in tone and emphasis, letting us tackle a different kind of scenario in the first half of the game.
That said, the story with the Kett, Archon et al was dreadful, sub Halo rubbish and bored me to tears when I wasn't wincing with embarassment. Technical issues were unfortunate obviously, but not a big deal for me as I never really care about all that. Fallout New Vegas is one of my favorite RPGs for example and good luck getting through a whole session of that without it crashing... Ultimately, the CC let me make a Ryder I was happy with and that's enough to let the other animations off with a 'must try harder' rap on the knuckles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. This is a decent game, but trying to manufacture it into an unjustly overlooked classic won't wash in this case. Because it simply wasn't good enough story wise for that. It was a good first draft of a game that really needed more time, but more than anything needed someone to be bold and tell it like it is to the writers. Because whilst the premise of the Andromeda Initiative, Alec Ryder, Pathfinders, the scramble to make a go of the desperate situation, find the Arks etc were all great, the Archon and Kett story was just awful. The narrative, rather than develop into something compelling, completely fizzles out after the first half. And this is the 2nd game in a row along with DAI where this has happened. Both games have good opening Acts that then fall apart.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 3, 2017 1:31:32 GMT
No. For the state it released in, it got the treatment it deserved. I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. Could it be that it doesn't appeal to even a newer audience? Games don't really gain ground by only retaining its original fans, it's got to also appeal to noobies to grow the fanbase. also 110% agree with ATR16, first impression means everything and the game didn't deliver on it.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 1:36:09 GMT
No. For the state it released in, it got the treatment it deserved. Like developers getting death threats by fans?
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 1:40:00 GMT
I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. I remember fallout new vegas getting a lot of hate because of its very buggy release. Patches and DLC later, its well regarded even though the game still crashes on me years later. Internet loves to exaggerate especially gamers. Now will ME: A be well regarded in the future like New Vegas? Probably not. But i think it'll be like DA 2.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 3, 2017 1:41:32 GMT
Holy shit.
Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools.
There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone...
If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy.
LO fucking L
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 1:47:14 GMT
I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. Personally, I expect a restaurant review to reflect the food now, not the food from five months ago. Only having a review from months ago is a problem. Where are the reviews for Mass Effect Andromeda 1.09? Not enough to matter. It's a damn shame. I still have hang ups with the story, but I had hangs up with EVERY BioWare title. Every one of them. Ryder took the longest to self-insert myself into the role. It wasn't until my second playthrough that I turned that corner. With Shepard... right after the CC listening to Hackett, Anderson and Udina go over my profile. The music setting my heart rate. That's the magic of the OT. It's dated as hell though. Andromeda... once I became Ryder, I still see the missed potential, but I also see that Frostbite canvas and what the artists, level designers, developers and writers crafted. I will say this with absolute certainty: 1.09 is my GOTY. This title only needs DLC and we're talking a near 9 or low 9. The missed potential is what's causing it to miss a 9.5. Origins is a 10 in my book because of what it was at them time and the toolset. Good Lord I spent a lot of time with that toolset. I wish BioWare would somehow release some very small editing tools that would allow end-users like me create their own stuff from within the engine. My favorite DLC of all time is the Winter Forge for Origins. It was great and would've been epic if the author voiced his NPC.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 3, 2017 1:48:41 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L Are you high?
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 3, 2017 1:51:22 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L I dunno. Time Cube is pretty wild. They should print this on those Dr. Bronner's castile soap labels. timecube.2enp.com
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 1:53:44 GMT
I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it. I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. there have been entire shows devoted to bad restaurants improving themselves. But at the end of it do we hold other games to these standards? Almost no other game up till now has been held to this standard. Till now it's been bugs? Shrug. Where even games like Witcher 3 has been out for years and it still has horrible game breaking bugs. Yet it's considered the best game ever!!!!!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 1:55:36 GMT
I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. I remember fallout new vegas getting a lot of hate because of its very buggy release. Patches and DLC later, its well regarded even though the game still crashes on me years later. Internet loves to exaggerate especially gamers. Now will ME: A be well regarded in the future like New Vegas? Probably not. But i think it'll be like DA 2. Bethesda taught me not to preorder from them with Fallout 3. It wasn't until all the DLC was out and the unofficial patch was released that I could really enjoy Fallout 3 on this rig. Then New Vegas came along from Obsidian and I was pumped. I really loved FO3 and NV had me enthralled with Ceasar. The DLC for NV is the best DLC ever made in my humble opinion. However, I didn't buy the game at launch. I was out in West Texas at the time and I just followed the patch notes and wow... when I got back, I ordered the DLC and didn't play until the unofficial patch was installed. Was it a great game? Maker yes! It's the best one that is faithful to the old canon. For the sake of the talented, newly-minted veterans... I WANT A DO-OVER. Nothing is impossible.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 2:00:46 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L Shoo fly go away.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 3, 2017 2:02:18 GMT
I personally enjoyed the game. But, some criticism was warranted and not too harsh I believe. There were errors/bugs, and things that did or are hoping going to get addressed and fixed. That said, I feel that a lot of people went on that "hate train", after seeing one or two posts about Addison for example, and just went too far. Some didn't even play it. If they don't want to buy it, that's fair enough. But there's a free trial at least, they could give it a shot before completely writing it off. If it's not a person's type of game, I can understand that. The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough"
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