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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 2:05:02 GMT
I couldn't really care. If you release something bad, and people treat it bad then you can't really blame anyone but yourself. If a restaurant opens and the food is ass, I don't really care if they made the food better 5 months later. It was still ass then and deserved to be called ass. there have been entire shows devoted to bad restaurants improving themselves. But at the end of it do we hold other games to these standards? Almost no other game up till now has been held to this standard. Till now it's been bugs? Shrug. Where even games like Witcher 3 has been out for years and it still has horrible game breaking bugs. Yet it's considered the best game ever!!!!! BTW, Inquisition runs slow, but like a champ on this tired rig. On Medium (aw... merde.) and at 30-40 fps (aw... merde.) and all the DLC loaded and patched up... no issues. It runs great and everything I saw on the PS4 after 1.09, there aren't any lingering issues (except that weird nav-mesh/collision issue with biotics) Other than that, it runs fine. I still miss the handicap of the power-wheel and the time-delay mod for sniping, but yo... it's about gettin' gud. You can't do that in MP so train in SP as you would MP. I'm getting that and yeah, I'm old and don't want to adapt, but I am... grudgingly... slowly. Anyway, nobody polishes games like BioWare... no one. Okay, I'm wrong. Modders for Bethesda and Obsidian games... those folks too. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 2:10:20 GMT
I personally enjoyed the game. But, some criticism was warranted and not too harsh I believe. There were errors/bugs, and things that did or are hoping going to get addressed and fixed. That said, I feel that a lot of people went on that "hate train", after seeing one or two posts about Addison for example, and just went too far. Some didn't even play it. If they don't want to buy it, that's fair enough. But there's a free trial at least, they could give it a shot before completely writing it off. If it's not a person's type of game, I can understand that. The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough" You're right on that. Let's assume BioWare won't make that same mistake knowing what happened with Andromeda. They can't afford to let that happen again. Anthem will die on the vine if the release is bad. DA4 has to be polished at launch if they want to see a surge in preorders and less rocks being thrown at them. Suikoden, admit it... 1.09 is a great game. The story has its issues, but it's a solid game. I can't wait to get back to it on a 4k monitor. All of my pen-and-pal friends are in agreement with me. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 3, 2017 2:12:51 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L Are you high? Did you read the thread from first post? I did. And of course I'm high you numbskull, you have never seen me any other way. Otherwise I would eat all of you. |
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 3, 2017 2:14:57 GMT
And let's cut off the personal attacks, whether they be general or targeted, there.
While you may disagree with an opinion or even question its worth, the line stops at attacking other users.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 3, 2017 2:15:17 GMT
The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough" You're right on that. Let's assume BioWare won't make that same mistake knowing what happened with Andromeda. They can't afford to let that happen again. Anthem will die on the vine if the release is bad. DA4 has to be polished at launch if they want to see a surge in preorders and less rocks being thrown at them. Suikoden, admit it... 1.09 is a great game. The story has its issues, but it's a solid game. I can't wait to get back to it on a 4k monitor. All of my pen-and-pal friends are in agreement with me. He can't. He's never actually played it other than a few hours of the free trial. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 2:17:57 GMT
Did you read the thread from first post? I did. And of course I'm high you numbskull, you have never seen me any other way. Otherwise I would eat all of you.My ribs hurt from laughing. Holy cow. You're alright. |
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 3, 2017 2:24:40 GMT
Not really. BioWare themselves dug this situation. That being said, I still enjoy the game, but it's incredibly - incredibly flawed and sometimes, barebones. In terms of the criticism, yeah I feel some of the criticism was deserved (asari clones, complaints towards story, complaints towards villain, facial animation criticism was a little exaggerated, etc.). In terms of hate, I feel this is where the internet went overboard. Remember how those people were sending a female game dev rape/death threats because supposedly, she worked on the facial animations, turns out she didn't. Great job internet! Welcome to the internet. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 2:29:57 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L Really? So you were criticizing fluffy for insulting critics of ME: A and I agreed with you on that. But you turn around and call people who like ME: A simpletons? So it's okay when you do it huh? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 2:31:32 GMT
It's a very well put together and structured video, but I do have a bit of a critique - for asking the question of were people too harsh on Andromeda, you do spend two thirds of the video simply rehashing the existing criticisms over and over again rather than reevaluating them 4 months down the line, with only minimal time devoted to what was actually good about the game. It would have been nice to maybe see if there were any things about the game you feel were judged too harshly when the game launched, but aren't actually bad in hindsight. As for the question at hand - absolutely people were too harsh on Andromeda. It's not perfect, and it definitely needed at least 3 months more polish, but I very strongly feel that had the game's superficial issues (mainly animations) been absent at launch, people would have been able to get far more immersed in the story and appreciate both it and the characters within it to a much larger degree. I can't blame people for being constantly taken out of the moment by the animation issues, but I still to this day don't get why people feel the game's writing is atrociously bad; they deliberately went for a lighter tone and less grizzled team, and it's totally fair if that's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't agree that that automatically makes it bad, especially when the OT had it's fair share of less than stellar moments. Either way, it's all a bit too late for people to start reevaluating their views on Andromeda and start to sing the game's praises - the damage has well and truly been done. Thank you for your feedback, I will take your criticisms into account as well  Yeah I agree that maybe if it had been delayed a month that would have helped a lot of the initial negative storm that hit them so hard. Its a shame because I really would have liked to see them maybe pull off a ME2 for a sequel. I think people are slowly starting to be more lenient on the game after several patches. Game should not require 9 FUCKING PATCHES to be serviceable. It's really bad management. Scars from ME3 are also still present with the criticism. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 2:31:46 GMT
Didn't look at the vid, but no, it comes with the territory. I'd be less rigid if they didn't charge the going premium price. I like the ME Universe and would like to see EA sell it, but that's not likely to happen.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 2:33:58 GMT
Thank you for your feedback, I will take your criticisms into account as well Yeah I agree that maybe if it had been delayed a month that would have helped a lot of the initial negative storm that hit them so hard. Its a shame because I really would have liked to see them maybe pull off a ME2 for a sequel. I think people are slowly starting to be more lenient on the game after several patches. Game should not require 9 FUCKING PATCHES to be serviceable. It's really bad management. Scars from ME3 are also still present with the criticism. First many games reviewed better than this have had more patches and not received this much flak. Second vanilla MEA was more than serviceable. It was fully playable with some issues. 95% of them have been fixed. |
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Post by Iakus on Aug 3, 2017 2:35:10 GMT
You're right on that. Let's assume BioWare won't make that same mistake knowing what happened with Andromeda. They can't afford to let that happen again. Anthem will die on the vine if the release is bad. DA4 has to be polished at launch if they want to see a surge in preorders and less rocks being thrown at them. Suikoden, admit it... 1.09 is a great game. The story has its issues, but it's a solid game. I can't wait to get back to it on a 4k monitor. All of my pen-and-pal friends are in agreement with me. He can't. He's never actually played it other than a few hours of the free trial. To be fair, though, the free trial is supposed to encourage people to buy the complete game. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 3, 2017 2:35:54 GMT
How about no? How about, my opinion is just as valid as every other asshat's in this thread, I am a grown ass man that does what I want, and lol at you ever telling me what to do. It's not very nice to call us fools, hence why I said shoo. Oh.... I did call MEA conspiracy theorists fools. If you don't believe there was a conspiracy, you aren't a fool. If you do believe there was a conspiracy, I would like to sell you my state-of-the-art GTS250 for $1000US. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 3, 2017 2:36:08 GMT
Thank you for your feedback, I will take your criticisms into account as well Yeah I agree that maybe if it had been delayed a month that would have helped a lot of the initial negative storm that hit them so hard. Its a shame because I really would have liked to see them maybe pull off a ME2 for a sequel. I think people are slowly starting to be more lenient on the game after several patches. It's really bad management. Scars from ME3 are also still present with the criticism. In my experience, it didn't take 9 patches to be serviceable. It worked just fine release day.  |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 2:38:22 GMT
It's not very nice to call us fools, hence why I said shoo. Oh.... I did call MEA conspiracy theorists fools. If you don't believe there was a conspiracy, you aren't a fool. If you do believe there was a conspiracy, I would like to sell you my state-of-the-art GTS250 for $1000US. Actually you compared those of us who like the game to conspiracy theorists and called us "Andromeda Loving Fools." |
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Post by fchopin on Aug 3, 2017 2:38:27 GMT
Hey, anyone else remember when the emptiness of the ME1 worlds was being talked about it like it was a good thing? Because immersion, realism, or some such. Then we get to ME:A and it's a problem. I'm thinking that the real problem with ME:A was that it was based on the weakest of the ME games. Which I guess means that the game is being judged fairly. I have to say that I completely disagree with you. ME1 is the best even if it looks a little dated now. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 3, 2017 2:41:22 GMT
I wasn't harsh. In fact, I blatantly said that I didn't love any of ME1's characters very much until they made reappearances in later games. (There were exceptions, but not many.) I actually adore the hell out of Ryder (both, and I've only played Scott). I don't mind Cora going on about her past and like her. Liam is actually a nice guy who has made some dumb mistakes. Drack and Vetra are just awesome! I also really liked the crew, as well as Reyes. Hated Sloane, but felt that was an intended hate, if I'm the sort to dislike the renegade type characters. (I suppose Reyes could be that, too, or perhaps a Renegon.) The lighthearted feel really worked for me. It's like they survived a disaster (Reaper invasion) and had the chance for life when all was lost. The tone of the game reflected that idea.
I have issues with this game. I don't in any way find it a lost cause. Still, it's on the back burner for now. I'm waiting for SP dlc to come out. I think BioWare would be doing not only a disservice to their fans, but also to themselves, to not push forward. At the very least, tie up the loose ends. Maybe take some time with it to avoid the issues that bothered some of the more vocal crowd. (Remember: just because some people are loud it doesn't mean they represent the majority.) I admit that I'd be a little sad if I didn't see the Ryder Twins again. I see such promise in them.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 2:42:07 GMT
Hey, anyone else remember when the emptiness of the ME1 worlds was being talked about it like it was a good thing? Because immersion, realism, or some such. Then we get to ME:A and it's a problem. I'm thinking that the real problem with ME:A was that it was based on the weakest of the ME games. Which I guess means that the game is being judged fairly. I have to say that I completely disagree with you. ME1 is the best even if it looks a little dated now. Only decent part of ME1 is the story. The rest stinks. ME 1 used to be my fav, till ME 2 came out. |
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 3, 2017 2:42:17 GMT
Holy shit. Conspiracy theorists have nothing on you Andromeda loving fools. There is no facepalm meme grand enough for where this thread has gone... If it doesn't jive with your simpleton's worldview, yes it must be a grand conspiracy. LO fucking L Really? So you were criticizing fluffy for insulting critics of ME: A and I agreed with you on that. But you turn around and call people who like ME: A simpletons? So it's okay when you do it huh? No, re-read my post. If you love MEA <AND> do not believe that there was a conspiracy, then you are not a simpleton, you simply have a different opinion than mine. I do see now, two distinct Freudian slips in this regard  |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 3, 2017 2:44:52 GMT
I personally enjoyed the game. But, some criticism was warranted and not too harsh I believe. There were errors/bugs, and things that did or are hoping going to get addressed and fixed. That said, I feel that a lot of people went on that "hate train", after seeing one or two posts about Addison for example, and just went too far. Some didn't even play it. If they don't want to buy it, that's fair enough. But there's a free trial at least, they could give it a shot before completely writing it off. If it's not a person's type of game, I can understand that. The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough" I don't think it was BioWare that thought it was okay. If the article is true, it seems like a lot of screwed up stuff went on behind the scenes making the game not ready. EA, however, didn't care about the readiness of the game. They just wanted to hit a launch target. Do you honestly believe creators of a game don't care if it looks good at launch? I don't. I think investors have let themselves believe that everyone would be okay with patches and so they didn't have to delay. Perhaps this is a lesson that, yes, people who pay money want a fairly finished product at launch. If the game isn't ready then wait. |
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Post by fchopin on Aug 3, 2017 2:45:21 GMT
I have to say that I completely disagree with you. ME1 is the best even if it looks a little dated now. Only decent part of ME1 is the story. The rest stinks. ME 1 used to be my fav, till ME 2 came out. So you did not like the music? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 2:47:05 GMT
IMO we're not harsh enough on youtubers. Latch onto and spread controversy for a quick buck and an ego trip. Oh my gosh, the youtuber fixation people have is astonishing. People are watching other people play games. Maybe I'm getting old, but I just don't get the appeal. Why are people not playing the game themselves? My partner's brother watches hours of random people on the internet talk shit and play a game, and he takes their opinions as gospel. Whenever I disagree with his opinions it's "Well Markiplier says..." and it makes me cringe. I just don't get the celebrity thing. I could rant about it for hours. Hundreds of millions of pounds to sign a footballer-they could literally give every single fan a free shirt and still be millionaires. Random celebrity family reality TV shows? People are watching other people make dinner. At least on the Sims 4 I can kill them. And now Joe/Jane Blogs in their bedroom playing a game, dictating the opinion of the masses on every video game they play. Le sigh. I'm so getting old. I watch youtubers play video games because I don't fucking trust the video game journalists to do their job properly. If there is something wrong with the game, there's actual video documentation I can rely on. I have a very limited amount of disposable income to spend on a full retail game. I'm barely lucky if I buy two games a year that is worth enjoying. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 3, 2017 2:47:48 GMT
He can't. He's never actually played it other than a few hours of the free trial. To be fair, though, the free trial is supposed to encourage people to buy the complete game. What does that have to do with him being unable to comment on the game with all the patches out? |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 2:47:51 GMT
Really? So you were criticizing fluffy for insulting critics of ME: A and I agreed with you on that. But you turn around and call people who like ME: A simpletons? So it's okay when you do it huh? No, re-read my post. If you love MEA <AND> do not believe that there was a conspiracy, then you are not a simpleton, you simply have a different opinion than mine. I do see now, two distinct Freudian slips in this regard Still people aren't look it that way. Chill with your posts just because statements like those will not go well with some people. |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 3, 2017 2:49:48 GMT
Hey, anyone else remember when the emptiness of the ME1 worlds was being talked about it like it was a good thing? Because immersion, realism, or some such. Then we get to ME:A and it's a problem. I'm thinking that the real problem with ME:A was that it was based on the weakest of the ME games. Which I guess means that the game is being judged fairly. I have to say that I completely disagree with you. ME1 is the best even if it looks a little dated now. Well, ranking the games isn't actually all that relevant to the point I'm trying to make. It might be more useful to restate it as ME:A copying the worst aspects of the ME1 design -- and of course, YMMV even for that. |
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