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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 17:54:49 GMT
As a long time and die hard Mass Effect fan I was disappointed in Andromeda when it first came out but now when looking back on it several months later I can't help but to reanalyze it and decide if maybe we the fans were too harsh on Andromeda. If you enjoyed this video please check us out on YouTube - 3 Chopsticks - I post my mass effect videos every Monday because I think it is the greatest gaming franchise ever created! Regardless of your thoughts on the video or Andromeda I just want to say thank you all for taking the time to comment and etc, its always good to talk with other Mass Effect fans!
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Post by vonuber on Aug 2, 2017 18:18:32 GMT
This will go well. Anyway, Bioware were on a hiding to nothing with ME:A. It could have shit a gold brick for each person and people would have still complained. Oh well, I like it so thats all that counts.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Aug 2, 2017 18:19:38 GMT
It's a very well put together and structured video, but I do have a bit of a critique - for asking the question of were people too harsh on Andromeda, you do spend two thirds of the video simply rehashing the existing criticisms over and over again rather than reevaluating them 4 months down the line, with only minimal time devoted to what was actually good about the game. It would have been nice to maybe see if there were any things about the game you feel were judged too harshly when the game launched, but aren't actually bad in hindsight.
As for the question at hand - absolutely people were too harsh on Andromeda. It's not perfect, and it definitely needed at least 3 months more polish, but I very strongly feel that had the game's superficial issues (mainly animations) been absent at launch, people would have been able to get far more immersed in the story and appreciate both it and the characters within it to a much larger degree. I can't blame people for being constantly taken out of the moment by the animation issues, but I still to this day don't get why people feel the game's writing is atrociously bad; they deliberately went for a lighter tone and less grizzled team, and it's totally fair if that's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't agree that that automatically makes it bad, especially when the OT had it's fair share of less than stellar moments.
Either way, it's all a bit too late for people to start reevaluating their views on Andromeda and start to sing the game's praises - the damage has well and truly been done.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 2, 2017 18:23:26 GMT
Yes.
Also, there is no we. I was not harsh on it.
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Post by bigbad on Aug 2, 2017 18:27:37 GMT
Who is "we"?
I'm sure many of the trolls on metacritic (and their ilk) were too harsh. But most of the professional reviews that I read were pretty much right in line with my views of the game.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 2, 2017 18:28:46 GMT
Yes.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 2, 2017 18:31:04 GMT
Yes.
But the release state was sub-optimal so hate found an easy target alongside genuine valid criticism of bugs/issues and a game that didn't quite capitalize on its illustrious history.
Professional reviewers were mixed - I still think Gamespot's '6' was harsh, they gave 'No Man's Sky' a 7. The trolls who gave it '0' on metacritic on launch day clearly hadn't played the game.
I've played 650 hours so far, your mileage may vary.
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Post by Fredward on Aug 2, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
When I divorce memeing/SJWism-in-muh-games from legitimate criticism, no.
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Post by Reorte on Aug 2, 2017 18:41:38 GMT
I don't think I was ever harsh on it. From the start my position was that it's a decent but not great game, and that the criticisms often seemed exaggerated in their degree but not in their foundation.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 18:43:46 GMT
It's a very well put together and structured video, but I do have a bit of a critique - for asking the question of were people too harsh on Andromeda, you do spend two thirds of the video simply rehashing the existing criticisms over and over again rather than reevaluating them 4 months down the line, with only minimal time devoted to what was actually good about the game. It would have been nice to maybe see if there were any things about the game you feel were judged too harshly when the game launched, but aren't actually bad in hindsight. As for the question at hand - absolutely people were too harsh on Andromeda. It's not perfect, and it definitely needed at least 3 months more polish, but I very strongly feel that had the game's superficial issues (mainly animations) been absent at launch, people would have been able to get far more immersed in the story and appreciate both it and the characters within it to a much larger degree. I can't blame people for being constantly taken out of the moment by the animation issues, but I still to this day don't get why people feel the game's writing is atrociously bad; they deliberately went for a lighter tone and less grizzled team, and it's totally fair if that's not everyone's cup of tea, but I don't agree that that automatically makes it bad, especially when the OT had it's fair share of less than stellar moments. Either way, it's all a bit too late for people to start reevaluating their views on Andromeda and start to sing the game's praises - the damage has well and truly been done. Thank you for your feedback, I will take your criticisms into account as well Yeah I agree that maybe if it had been delayed a month that would have helped a lot of the initial negative storm that hit them so hard. Its a shame because I really would have liked to see them maybe pull off a ME2 for a sequel. I think people are slowly starting to be more lenient on the game after several patches.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 2, 2017 18:44:21 GMT
Naw, I still stand by my critique of the game, which I won't rehash again here.
But one thing this video reminded me of, was just how hyped for the game I was after watching the AI videos. Talking about Pathfinders being the first on the ground, testing planets, finding a suitable spot for colonies, etc. It looked like you were going to has some influence over how the Nexus grew and developed over the game.
Didn't see any of it in the game. That was really disappointing.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 2, 2017 18:46:29 GMT
Yes and no.
Yes because the game rightly needed to be criticized for it's shortcomings.
No because the overall outcry by people was atrocious and what I hate most about gaming culture sometimes.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 18:47:19 GMT
No. For the state it released in, it got the treatment it deserved. I can understand that, but I feel like it got to a point where even people who were not mass effect fans began to hop on a hate train towards it.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 2, 2017 18:48:36 GMT
No.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 18:50:14 GMT
Who is "we"? I'm sure many of the trolls on metacritic (and their ilk) were too harsh. But most of the professional reviews that I read were pretty much right in line with my views of the game. I mean we as in us the fans, not all of course as I did see several supporters of the game as well when it first came out but they were far and few between. I agreed with any of the reviews as well.
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Post by henkiedepost on Aug 2, 2017 18:51:14 GMT
Personally, I think the game simply wasn't ready to be released. The backlash it got was in that sense justified, if only so that Bioware will hopefully never release an unfinished game again. Problem with this situation however is that the reviews and meme-vids will not cease to exist whilst the state of the game does change. You can only make one first impression you know? The meme-vids were always a bit over the top and are now not accurate anymore at all, but I still believe that Bioware should've known better. They should've postponed the game and fixed the animations atleast. Even though that wasn't even the biggest issue with the game, it was the most visual, and it made it so easy for people to burn this game to the ground. I can't believe that Bioware did not see this coming, but what's a fact is that they didn't do anything about it and in in the end they really shot themselves in the foot. Can't really blame youtubers itching for views for capitalising on this mistake, even though I find it despisable. That's just how the world works.
But, after all these patches, I can say that the game has improved a lot. Its enjoyable, but still not a high flyer. I guess that for me its just a good game. Nothing more, nothing less. This is, of course, purely personal. I've seen a lot of people here who love the game and I'm very glad for them. I've also seen a lot of people who either despised the game or feel like me, and I can understand why. people need to understand that it's a divisive game. There is no consensus about this game being a masterpiece, just as much as there isn't a consensus about it being shit. Therefore I believe a grade in the middle is justified. And that's what the game received, even whilst being quite broken at launch. So I don't think the metacritic score was too harsh. It pains me that a Mass Effect game gets a 7, but I still think that it simulates the middleground between the 'lovers' and 'haters' adequately.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 18:51:32 GMT
Well, I personally don't feel I was too harsh on it - I stand by my original view that I'd give it a high 7/low 8, making it the weakest ME game in my opinion but even a weak ME game is better than most other franchise's good ones.
However - the last game I saw get this reception was Aliens: Colonial Marines. Compare that to what we got in MEA and ask yourself the question of whether that's fair. That will be your answer.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 18:52:07 GMT
Naw, I still stand by my critique of the game, which I won't rehash again here. But one thing this video reminded me of, was just how hyped for the game I was after watching the AI videos. Talking about Pathfinders being the first on the ground, testing planets, finding a suitable spot for colonies, etc. It looked like you were going to has some influence over how the Nexus grew and developed over the game. Didn't see any of it in the game. That was really disappointing. " Talking about Pathfinders being the first on the ground, testing planets, finding a suitable spot for colonies, etc. It looked like you were going to has some influence over how the Nexus grew and developed over the game. " Yup I was exactly there with you as well! That is how I felt, I was extremely saddened that it was not really part of the final game
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 2, 2017 18:53:16 GMT
I still intend to create a thread making a full review on Andromeda and showing how it is weak in absolutely every aspect: exploration, graphics, animations, dialogue, characters, story, menus, performance, and so on. Only combat is the only thing that can be fun in this game, but it still has a lot of problems.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 2, 2017 18:57:51 GMT
I think that most people who criticized the game tended to have valid points, which may or may not have been exaggerated(as they are for any game)
That said a combination of the memes being largely about animation issues in the game as well as BioWare being viewed as the "SJW developer" these days invited a lot of hate from third parties who never played the game but either saw one bad animation or that Cora had "tumblr hair" and went on a rant about how bad the game was.
Of course I still stand by my opinion that the game is the worst in the Mass Effect series, even considering the pre-EC ending to ME3.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 18:58:21 GMT
Personally, I think the game simply wasn't ready to be released. The backlash it got was in that sense justified, if only so that Bioware will hopefully never release an unfinished game again. Problem with this situation however is that the reviews and meme-vids will not cease to exist whilst the state of the game does change. You can only make one first impression you know? The meme-vids were always a bit over the top and are now not accurate anymore at all, but I still believe that Bioware should've known better. They should've postponed the game and fixed the animations atleast. Even though that wasn't even the biggest issue with the game, it was the most visual, and it made it so easy for people to burn this game to the ground. I can't believe that Bioware did not see this coming, but what's a fact is that they didn't do anything about it and in in the end they really shot themselves in the foot. Can't really blame youtubers itching for views for capitalising on this mistake, even though I find it despisable. That's just how the world works. But, after all these patches, I can say that the game has improved a lot. Its enjoyable, but still not a high flyer. I guess that for me its just a good game. Nothing more, nothing less. This is, of course, purely personal. I've seen a lot of people here who love the game and I'm very glad for them. I've also seen a lot of people who either despised the game or feel like me, and I can understand why. people need to understand that it's a divisive game. There is no consensus about this game being a masterpiece, just as much as there isn't a consensus about it being shit. Therefore I believe a grade in the middle is justified. And that's what the game received, even whilst being quite broken at launch. So I don't think the metacritic score was too harsh. It pains me that a Mass Effect game gets a 7, but I still think that it simulates the middleground between the 'lovers' and 'haters' adequately. Very well spoken and I agree with everything you said, I did not really think about how what you had said till now and that's true that right now in this over-saturated market games only get one chance and one first impression, they were so sure they could fix the mistakes later that the internet destroyed them in record breaking time. It is an enjoyable game now and I still stand by what I said in the video that I enjoyed the combat here greatly, It was a lot of fun with most of the powers. I've tried to get so many of my friends to give it a chance but they look at the reviews and shut it down which is extremely saddening.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 19:01:32 GMT
I still intend to create a thread making a full review on Andromeda and showing how it is weak in absolutely every aspect: exploration, graphics, animations, dialogue, characters, story, menus, performance, and so on. Only combat is the only thing that can be fun in this game, but it still has a lot of problems. I will be anxious to see that video! Let me know when you post it! It'll be interesting to hear some more in depth thoughts on it!
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Post by abaris on Aug 2, 2017 19:03:40 GMT
It didn't improve on what bothered me. Story, sidequests and companions and the feeling of emptyness on the worlds presented. Far as I am concerned, it's hard coded at a personal rating of 7,5. First Bioware game where I don't feel the urge for a replay.
I appreciate that they ironed out the initial flaws, but they didn't influence my judgment anyway, since I was sure they would be patched.
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Post by SheaprdGamingYT on Aug 2, 2017 19:04:05 GMT
I think that most people who criticized the game tended to have valid points, which may or may not have been exaggerated(as they are for any game) That said a combination of the memes being largely about animation issues in the game as well as BioWare being viewed as the "SJW developer" these days invited a lot of hate from third parties who never played the game but either saw one bad animation or that Cora had "tumblr hair" and went on a rant about how bad the game was. Of course I still stand by my opinion that the game is the worst in the Mass Effect series, even considering the pre-EC ending to ME3. Yeah letting their political views shine too strongly in this game did not help their case much at all. I don't know if this game made me as mad though as the original ME3 endings. That still stings.
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