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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 14, 2017 18:20:24 GMT
Yes, but what is objectionable about @siukoden behavior is not his specific dislike of the game, no matter how many hours he played, or what he had seen or have not seen, it's his crusade. Crusaders are better left to wave their banners & march on, in my experience. You realize the same thing applies to all of you. Even more so I'd say, seeing as this is the only pocket of the internet where you are the majority. Not unsurprising as this is ostensibly a BioWare IP fan forum. Either way, crusaders of all inclinations, suikoden included, are welcome to share their views here. BSN beats dead horses like no-one else...
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2017 18:21:20 GMT
You realize the same thing applies to all of you. Even more so I'd say, seeing as this is the only pocket of the internet where you are the majority. Based on karma ratios, I would say r/masseffect is pretty pro ME:A. You know I'm just sitting here watching Episode I, and drinking a strawberry daiquiri. Much more fun than bickering.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2017 18:22:36 GMT
You realize the same thing applies to all of you. Even more so I'd say, seeing as this is the only pocket of the internet where you are the majority. Not unsurprising as this is ostensibly a BioWare IP fan forum. Either way, crusaders of all inclinations, suikoden included, are welcome to share their views here. BSN beats dead horses like no-one else... Yeah I try not to add to it. If I had a nickel for every time I stick my foot in my mouth. 😂
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 14, 2017 18:26:26 GMT
If people were still playing the game there'd have been some DLC. SP games do not hold population like MP games do. How are we sure of this? FA4 used to be a top ten game for a while (sitting at #24 right now and it's the only strictly SP game in the top 25)when it was out, PlayStation and Xbox both have a top ten most played list(but can expand to 50) where the top ten games are monitored for most current players playing at once. I can agree that multiplayer games show more of a population since it's always monitored, single player can't since not everyone has a subscription to W/E console they're on so they're not always monitored. Skyrim has to still have a large number playing it or mods and Bethesda making more skyrim for other gaming platforms wouldn't be a thing. i bet "if" there was a better way to monitor SP player retention, we'd be quite surprised at how well some of these games hold a population even if they're single player. I'll agree they don't hold a candle to multiplayer, but I'd still say a few SP games can easily compete vs some of the MP games for player retention.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:34:02 GMT
SP games do not hold population like MP games do. How are we sure of this? FA4 used to be a top ten game for a while (sitting at #24 right now and it's the only strictly SP game in the top 25)when it was out, PlayStation and Xbox both have a top ten most played list(but can expand to 50) where the top ten games are monitored for most current players playing at once. I can agree that multiplayer games show more of a population since it's always monitored, single player can't since not everyone has a subscription to W/E console they're on so they're not always monitored. Skyrim has to still have a large number playing it or mods and Bethesda making more skyrim for other gaming platforms wouldn't be a thing. i bet "if" there was a better way to monitor SP player retention, we'd be quite surprised at how well some of these games hold a population even if they're single player. I'll agree they don't hold a candle to multiplayer, but I'd still say a few SP games can easily compete vs some of the MP games for player retention. The average gamer plays a single player game through once and then forgets about it. Evidence of this is how frequently SP-centric games are sold back to retailers by consumers as well as basic premises of player retention. CS:GO has an average of around half a million players playing at any given time. I highly doubt any SP game can retain anywhere near those numbers let alone for as long as CG:GO has. I'm not saying SP-focused games have zero player retention, but they can never muster the numbers of MP-focused games. My point with that argument is that suikoden's premises that their is no DLC for ME:A yet because of player retention is... misplaced.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 14, 2017 18:41:49 GMT
The average gamer plays a single player game through once and then forgets about it. ... I think I recall that the 'average gamer' doesn't even complete a single play-through of a single-player game... ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 18:43:19 GMT
The average gamer plays a single player game through once and then forgets about it. ... I think I recall that the 'average gamer' doesn't even complete a single play-through of a single-player game... ? Also a very valid point. More ammo as to why player retention wouldn't play a part in DLC decisions for an SP-centric game.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 14, 2017 19:01:01 GMT
The average gamer plays a single player game through once and then forgets about it. ... I think I recall that the 'average gamer' doesn't even complete a single play-through of a single-player game... ? ME2=56%
ME3=42%
Note: those are 2014 numbers. The earliest number I could find was early 2016 and that was roughly 30%. I don't understand how you can buy a $60 game and not finish what you purchase? I don't think those numbers account for trade-ins or anything like that.
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Post by Guts on Aug 14, 2017 19:14:18 GMT
Too harsh in the sense that a crappy game maybe doesn't deserve this much public scorn. If Ubisoft had made this game I wouldn't have give two shit. But this is not say that the game is actually 'good' but people judged it too harshly. It really does suck. I think it's because Mass Effect is a HUGELY popular franchise that, I think, a lot of people hold very close to their hearts, I mean love the universe more than any other science fiction. That's the reason that I could think of, it would explain why a lot of people were PISSED about ME3's ending and even after 5 years, people are still pissed about it, it would also explain why so many people were pissed/disappointed by ME:A. Granted I liked ME:A, I thought it was good, but I felt the game had a lot of problems, some minor, other times very major ones, like SAM playing too big of a role, reliance on nostalgia instead of trying to take risks with the story and universe, asari clones, cringey dialogue (This gets better over time), etc. I mean I liked the characters, but not everyone does, but that is a purely subjective issue at this point. Granted: I can understand a bit of why people were disappointed, but that doesn't give some of them the right to send rape/death threats to developers. (Not saying you were doing this)
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Post by Iakus on Aug 14, 2017 19:56:30 GMT
The average gamer plays a single player game through once and then forgets about it. ... I think I recall that the 'average gamer' doesn't even complete a single play-through of a single-player game... ? I'm not so wealthy I can maintain a hobby like that.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 14, 2017 20:00:41 GMT
I think I recall that the 'average gamer' doesn't even complete a single play-through of a single-player game... ? I'm not so wealthy I can maintain a hobby like that. Doesn't sound like good value to me either, but nevertheless, some people do seem to 'consume' their games poorly...
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Post by smilesja on Aug 14, 2017 20:42:08 GMT
Yes, but what is objectionable about @siukoden behavior is not his specific dislike of the game, no matter how many hours he played, or what he had seen or have not seen, it's his crusade. Crusaders are better left to wave their banners & march on, in my experience. You realize the same thing applies to all of you. Even more so I'd say, seeing as this is the only pocket of the internet where you are the majority. The only pocket? Have you checked every website for opinions about ME:A?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:19:50 GMT
I'm not so wealthy I can maintain a hobby like that. Doesn't sound like good value to me either, but nevertheless, some people do seem to 'consume' their games poorly... Well, it's better to quit if you don't like the game. Or, sometimes, partial game is better than a full one. Games are awfully long nowadays, so you might have fun for a bit, than quit. The multiple replays still take a very specific category of gamers. TBH, it's easier for me to relate to someone who plays 40 or so hours and doesn't finish, than someone who does more that two replays of a game or does a completionist run that is 50+ hours long. I'd never be able to stick around for 100 hours w/o seeing the ending like people do & enjoy it. I just don't have this kind of patience, and I would lose the beginning of the game & just stop caring by hour 40. I'd just want it to end already & stop piling up the new obstacles. A couple of months of the same story/setting/character is more than enough. I think, if I ever wanted to play one of the really long games, I'd just take it one day at a time, and I go for as long as I enjoy it, and drop it if I stopped caring, no problems, no regrets. I actually regret finishing the Inquisition, I think I would have enjoyed it more, if I ended up the game with the arrival to Skyhold. A sampling of the maps, and a few cool quests in the beginning would have actually be better than after Skyhold portion.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 15, 2017 13:39:35 GMT
Doesn't sound like good value to me either, but nevertheless, some people do seem to 'consume' their games poorly... Well, it's better to quit if you don't like the game. Or, sometimes, partial game is better than a full one. Games are awfully long nowadays, so you might have fun for a bit, than quit. The multiple replays still take a very specific category of gamers. TBH, it's easier for me to relate to someone who plays 40 or so hours and doesn't finish, than someone who does more that two replays of a game or does a completionist run that is 50+ hours long. I'd never be able to stick around for 100 hours w/o seeing the ending like people do & enjoy it. I just don't have this kind of patience, and I would lose the beginning of the game & just stop caring by hour 40. I'd just want it to end already & stop piling up the new obstacles. A couple of months of the same story/setting/character is more than enough. I would say it's more or less the open world esq kind of games that people drop because of it extending gameplay. That and games that require grinding will kill the interest of the gamer at some point. I'm guilty of buying games, playing for so long and then just dumping it after burning out, I've got probably a hundred games I've touched but have yet to finish. FA4, fortnite, GTA5, Shadiw if Mordir, both tomb raider games, sunset overdrive, etc etc. some of them I've come close but just lost that spark, and most of them aren't even bad games either, the interest to finish them just isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 13:47:03 GMT
Well, it's better to quit if you don't like the game. Or, sometimes, partial game is better than a full one. Games are awfully long nowadays, so you might have fun for a bit, than quit. The multiple replays still take a very specific category of gamers. TBH, it's easier for me to relate to someone who plays 40 or so hours and doesn't finish, than someone who does more that two replays of a game or does a completionist run that is 50+ hours long. I'd never be able to stick around for 100 hours w/o seeing the ending like people do & enjoy it. I just don't have this kind of patience, and I would lose the beginning of the game & just stop caring by hour 40. I'd just want it to end already & stop piling up the new obstacles. A couple of months of the same story/setting/character is more than enough. I would say it's more or less the open world esq kind of games that people drop because of it extending gameplay. That and games that require grinding will kill the interest of the gamer at some point. I'm guilty of buying games, playing for so long and then just dumping it after burning out, I've got probably a hundred games I've touched but have yet to finish. FA4, fortnite, GTA5, Shadiw if Mordir, both tomb raider games, sunset overdrive, etc etc. some of them I've come close but just lost that spark, and most of them aren't even bad games either, the interest to finish them just isn't there. Yes, that's pretty much what I would expect to happen to me. I am going to buy the new AC without intending to finish it, b/c of the setting. And I'd do the same for FO4 too if I could play it. If the gaming developers won't make short, consise games, well, I'll just won't finish them, I suppose. Not really a bad compromise. Can't imagine a game that tells 100 hours of a story & doesn't get boring. It would be like watching forty movies, lol
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Post by abaris on Aug 15, 2017 14:47:28 GMT
And I'd do the same for FO4 too if I could play it. Most people don't play Bethesda games for the plot but for the exploration. But one can finish them within ten hours tops. Something MEA did too, by the way. If you strip away all the exploration, which for the most part isn't necessary to finish the game, you end up with ten to 15 hours of gameplay. Tops. The added problem is that exploration isn't as rewadring as it is with Bethesda games. But there are only five to six plot relevant missions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 15, 2017 14:57:30 GMT
And I'd do the same for FO4 too if I could play it. Most people don't play Bethesda games for the plot but for the exploration. But one can finish them within ten hours tops. Something MEA did too, by the way. If you strip away all the exploration, which for the most part isn't necessary to finish the game, you end up with ten to 15 hours of gameplay. Tops. The added problem is that exploration isn't as rewadring as it is with Bethesda games. But there are only five to six plot relevant missions. Probably, but I cannot play it, because I get sick, and then I started reading about the ruleset, and there are some powersuits you need to build and use or something like that in addition to normal equipment, and stuff to collect, and I got scared off by all that. Just feel too exhausted right now to learn another game with a complex ruleset. Maybe later on, particularly if Anthem is no good. I got a bunch of tips on how to edit the game files to maybe stop the motion sickness, so maybe I can play it. I was not tempted to try it yet. overall, I don't think it's a bad idea to take a chance on a game you might not end up liking, as long as you accept that there is that possibility, and just drop it if it's not your thing.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 2:36:09 GMT
SP games do not hold population like MP games do. How are we sure of this? FA4 used to be a top ten game for a while (sitting at #24 right now and it's the only strictly SP game in the top 25)when it was out, PlayStation and Xbox both have a top ten most played list(but can expand to 50) where the top ten games are monitored for most current players playing at once. I can agree that multiplayer games show more of a population since it's always monitored, single player can't since not everyone has a subscription to W/E console they're on so they're not always monitored. Skyrim has to still have a large number playing it or mods and Bethesda making more skyrim for other gaming platforms wouldn't be a thing. i bet "if" there was a better way to monitor SP player retention, we'd be quite surprised at how well some of these games hold a population even if they're single player. I'll agree they don't hold a candle to multiplayer, but I'd still say a few SP games can easily compete vs some of the MP games for player retention. I dunno why they can't come up with a reasonable retention estimate based on the data they do have. Are console players without internet really going to be different from, say, PC players?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 16, 2017 5:20:08 GMT
Man, when I was growing up, we didn't even have electricity and we listened to the Shadow on the radio and read books instead of playing on the magic picture boxes all day! (I'm actually not terribly old.) Was that a squirrel powered radio?
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 16, 2017 5:26:54 GMT
Man, when I was growing up, we didn't even have electricity and we listened to the Shadow on the radio and read books instead of playing on the magic picture boxes all day! (I'm actually not terribly old.) Was that a squirrel powered radio? Battery, listened to by firelight and propane lamp. And then we played mah jong and 500. ...Maybe cribbage, but I don't actually know what cribbage is. Andromeda is probably better than cribbage. Not better than listening to the Green Hornet, though.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Aug 16, 2017 5:30:49 GMT
Was that a squirrel powered radio? Battery, listened to by firelight and propane lamp. And then we played mah jong and 500. ...Maybe cribbage, but I don't actually know what cribbage is. Andromeda is probably better than cribbage. Not better than listening to the Green Hornet, though. Ugh... cribbage. I prefer Hearts.
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