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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 3, 2017 10:17:55 GMT
Oh my gosh, the youtuber fixation people have is astonishing. People are watching other people play games. Maybe I'm getting old, but I just don't get the appeal. Why are people not playing the game themselves? My partner's brother watches hours of random people on the internet talk shit and play a game, and he takes their opinions as gospel. Whenever I disagree with his opinions it's "Well Markiplier says..." and it makes me cringe. I just don't get the celebrity thing. I could rant about it for hours. Hundreds of millions of pounds to sign a footballer-they could literally give every single fan a free shirt and still be millionaires. Random celebrity family reality TV shows? People are watching other people make dinner. At least on the Sims 4 I can kill them. And now Joe/Jane Blogs in their bedroom playing a game, dictating the opinion of the masses on every video game they play. Le sigh. I'm so getting old. I watch youtubers play video games because I don't fucking trust the video game journalists to do their job properly. If there is something wrong with the game, there's actual video documentation I can rely on. I have a very limited amount of disposable income to spend on a full retail game. I'm barely lucky if I buy two games a year that is worth enjoying. And that seems like a good reason to watch someone play. But do you watch it all day every day instead of playing yourself? Cause that's just bizzare.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2017 11:08:06 GMT
I watch youtubers play video games because I don't fucking trust the video game journalists to do their job properly. If there is something wrong with the game, there's actual video documentation I can rely on. I have a very limited amount of disposable income to spend on a full retail game. I'm barely lucky if I buy two games a year that is worth enjoying. And that seems like a good reason to watch someone play. But do you watch it all day every day instead of playing yourself? Cause that's just bizzare. I don't but it is through the intrenet hat I discovered ME in he first place and watching a couple of vids of it. Decided to give it a shot. I'm glad to say I don't regret it.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 3, 2017 11:41:19 GMT
Doesn't bother me particularly if there is no dlc, I've enjoyed the base game. If anything, given you are supposed to be (and I'm beginning to doubt it) a Mass Effect fan, you should be upset about the state of things and engaging in friendly discussion about thr future. Instead you spend your time trolling on here and trying to bait people. And not playing the witcher 3. Actually for me the reason why I am so harsh on MEA/Bioware IS because I am a Mass Effect fan and have been ever since ME1 was announced at XO5 in 2005 back when Chris Priestly was just a QA guy. I have HIGH expectations from the brand and MEA did not meet them for me. I will not blindly support something just cause I have a history of liking it. How will Bioware improve their games if all we do is compliment them?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 11:42:30 GMT
I watch youtubers play video games because I don't fucking trust the video game journalists to do their job properly. If there is something wrong with the game, there's actual video documentation I can rely on. I have a very limited amount of disposable income to spend on a full retail game. I'm barely lucky if I buy two games a year that is worth enjoying. And that seems like a good reason to watch someone play. But do you watch it all day every day instead of playing yourself? Cause that's just bizzare. Completely depends on the game in question. If I like the overall content of the game and if it seems enjoyable to watch, I'd buy for myself. If it's not enjoyable, I'm not buying the game, plain and simple.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 3, 2017 11:49:22 GMT
How will Bioware improve their games if all we do is compliment them? Don't disagree, and you generally give reasons behind your critiscms- which is honestly the best thing to do and a good thing. What he does is not that, however.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 3, 2017 11:58:41 GMT
If Bioware has one problem it is that large portions of their player base don't use logic, it is all emotion. One moment Bioware is elevated to Godhood the next moment to the bottomless pit. Nuanced views are not the MO of this player base. All in or all out so to speak, middle ground people hard to find. I don't think that's true at all. People with extreme opinions tend to be the loudest. Most people, even Bioware fans, are conscientious and logical as well as emotional. You have to remember that the vast majority of Bioware fans don't engage on forums. They are quietly playing and enjoying (or not) the games. They're not spamming Twitter with hate or adoration, flaming forums or sending cupcakes.
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Post by abaris on Aug 3, 2017 12:24:59 GMT
They're not spamming Twitter with hate or adoration, flaming forums or sending cupcakes. The cupcake action at least had some charm.
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Post by Melcara on Aug 3, 2017 12:35:33 GMT
I watch youtubers play video games because I don't fucking trust the video game journalists to do their job properly. If there is something wrong with the game, there's actual video documentation I can rely on. I have a very limited amount of disposable income to spend on a full retail game. I'm barely lucky if I buy two games a year that is worth enjoying. And that seems like a good reason to watch someone play. But do you watch it all day every day instead of playing yourself? Cause that's just bizzare. It's like watching TV, basically. It's entertainment.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2017 13:08:02 GMT
How will Bioware improve their games if all we do is compliment them? Don't disagree, and you generally give reasons behind your critiscms- which is honestly the best thing to do and a good thing. What he does is not that, however. yeah constructive criticism is good as that helps devs improv eanddo better pointless moaning that the game is shit does not help anyone as that dosen't tell the devs where they can or even should try to improve.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 3, 2017 13:14:56 GMT
And seriously, there are people thrashing The Witcher 3, one of the best games of all time, to praise Andromeda? If The Witcher 3 was developed by the creators of ME:A all the dialogues would be like Yennefer: Haha, that ghost from the Wild Hunt doesn't like me! Maybe because I shot a spell on his face! Geralt: I must find Ciri. Triss: I know how much she means to you. We can only hope. Geralt: Yes, we can't lose hope. Dialogue ends. There are side quests in The Witcher 3 far more interesting than the entire game of ME:A. And much more funny. Well, Bioware clearly listened when people said "Be more like The Witcher" I mean, we've got graphic sex scenes in place of romances "More organic romances? I don't think you spelled that quite right"
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 3, 2017 13:56:20 GMT
Standards to evaluate a game: If it has a good opening
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Post by tacsear on Aug 3, 2017 14:11:42 GMT
This game is like the Suicide Squad of Bioware, few people still think it's good but the truth is out there and it is awful. Maybe it is not as bad as SS was to DC though, I might've been a little harsh. Hey the video is right!
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 3, 2017 14:29:36 GMT
And seriously, there are people thrashing The Witcher 3, one of the best games of all time, to praise Andromeda? If The Witcher 3 was developed by the creators of ME:A all the dialogues would be like Yennefer: Haha, that ghost from the Wild Hunt doesn't like me! Maybe because I shot a spell on his face! Geralt: I must find Ciri. Triss: I know how much she means to you. We can only hope. Geralt: Yes, we can't lose hope. Dialogue ends. There are side quests in The Witcher 3 far more interesting than the entire game of ME:A. And much more funny. Well, Bioware clearly listened when people said "Be more like The Witcher" I mean, we've got graphic sex scenes in place of romances "More organci roamnces? I don't think you spelled that quite right" lol that's not graphic.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 15:16:46 GMT
And that seems like a good reason to watch someone play. But do you watch it all day every day instead of playing yourself? Cause that's just bizzare. Completely depends on the game in question. If I like the overall content of the game and if it seems enjoyable to watch, I'd buy for myself. If it's not enjoyable, I'm not buying the game, plain and simple. I'm with you LK47! I hear you! I can afford those games, but I hate feeling burned. So I do what you do... and NO... I don't trust game reviewers at all. I use them to reinforce my line of thinking or help me see the positives that I didn't get or appreciate. There are some great reviewers out there, but I tend to watch actual gameplay videos. If it's a PS4 title, I'll watch my friend Paul play the game with him occasionally handing me the control for stuff I can do without failing too many times. I also liked watching him play the Last of Us, the Witcher 3, Horizon Zero Dawn and Uncharted. They're incredible cinematic and I can enjoy those a lot more than sitting next to Debbie (my wife) while she watches E! Bravo! Oxygen or whatever reality crap is on. (I fantasize about being abducted by aliens that just need a skin flake for DNA testing... no probes... I'm 45. I'm still reeling from my last prostate exam. I hate being completely organic. No Walters... synthesis is still a bad idea.) Anyway, I hear you man. You count on BioWare because that's your drug of choice and when it's bunk.. there is no real substitute. Thankfully, BioWare still appreciates its own name and delivered 1.09. It still has some missed potential, but I admit it sucks to be without Andromeda right now. I can't wait for Volta to get here for true 4K on a single GPU. $1600 for SLI that might not be supported is too big of an amount when that can be spent elsewhere like cigars, pizza, beer and weekend trips. Dude, I get where you're coming from.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 3, 2017 15:20:21 GMT
I always try to say what I didn't like, why, and most of the time how I thought it could have been better. If someone does this I don't see how you can say it was too harsh. I try my best not to tell someone their opinion is wrong when it comes to something as subjective as was a video game good.
People who were saying the game killed Bioware and ME, they hoped the producers were fired, and other non constructive criticism, yeah, that kind of stuff was too harsh.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 15:28:52 GMT
If Bioware has one problem it is that large portions of their player base don't use logic, it is all emotion. One moment Bioware is elevated to Godhood the next moment to the bottomless pit. Nuanced views are not the MO of this player base. All in or all out so to speak, middle ground people hard to find. I don't think that's true at all. People with extreme opinions tend to be the loudest. Most people, even Bioware fans, are conscientious and logical as well as emotional. You have to remember that the vast majority of Bioware fans don't engage on forums. They are quietly playing and enjoying (or not) the games. They're not spamming Twitter with hate or adoration, flaming forums or sending cupcakes. NAILED IT. I'm here because I'm not on Andromeda and I really don't want to play another non-Frostbite/BioWare game. I love Fallout, but that's done and over with. I love X-COM, but that's done and over with. I love Far Cry, but again... done. I'm at my best when I get about an hour or two of BioWare instead of watching TV. It's been like that since Baldur's Gate and that's why I'm here. I'm not on any other forums. I just don't care or not invested enough. I have never really gotten into the forums until I noticed that BioWare wasn't responding like they used to do in the past. Most of the time, it was to collect screenshots or find a fix for an AMD/ATI issue. That's it. The less the communication, the more I come here for information. That's not cool. However, the up side is now I have some very cool, mature and KICK ASS members that I can ask to play co-op with or something. I don't need my anti-BioWare pen-and-pal friends from the gaming shop or even Paul and his beloved PS4. I've also learned a great deal from everyone here about building a rig. They saved me $4200. That's not an exaggeration and the savings could mean more. I started with a budget of $3500 and it quickly escalated (with chair, gaming keyboard with keypad, mouse, pad, headset, a cooling kit, etc.) to the point I was about to blow $7.5k Now I'm down to $2950 and I have a five-year solution that's going to give me what I want: the ability to see what the developers see. That's appreciating the art the best way I know how. I'm a nerd... I know it.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 3, 2017 15:54:25 GMT
I don't think that's true at all. People with extreme opinions tend to be the loudest. Most people, even Bioware fans, are conscientious and logical as well as emotional. You have to remember that the vast majority of Bioware fans don't engage on forums. They are quietly playing and enjoying (or not) the games. They're not spamming Twitter with hate or adoration, flaming forums or sending cupcakes. NAILED IT. I'm here because I'm not on Andromeda and I really don't want to play another non-Frostbite/BioWare game. I love Fallout, but that's done and over with. I love X-COM, but that's done and over with. I love Far Cry, but again... done. I'm at my best when I get about an hour or two of BioWare instead of watching TV. It's been like that since Baldur's Gate and that's why I'm here. I'm not on any other forums. I just don't care or not invested enough. I have never really gotten into the forums until I noticed that BioWare wasn't responding like they used to do in the past. Most of the time, it was to collect screenshots or find a fix for an AMD/ATI issue. That's it. The less the communication, the more I come here for information. That's not cool. However, the up side is now I have some very cool, mature and KICK ASS members that I can ask to play co-op with or something. I don't need my anti-BioWare pen-and-pal friends from the gaming shop or even Paul and his beloved PS4. I've also learned a great deal from everyone here about building a rig. They saved me $4200. That's not an exaggeration and the savings could mean more. I started with a budget of $3500 and it quickly escalated (with chair, gaming keyboard with keypad, mouse, pad, headset, a cooling kit, etc.) to the point I was about to blow $7.5k Now I'm down to $2950 and I have a five-year solution that's going to give me what I want: the ability to see what the developers see. That's appreciating the art the best way I know how. I'm a nerd... I know it. We're all nerds down here, and I think that's the unique charm of this forum. Even the trolls. Also, that's a heck of a sanity check right there going from $7.5 to just under $3!
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 15:58:19 GMT
To play devil's advocate, it is a Bioware community forum, and Bioware has its fans. And I'm a Bioware fan too. I love all Dragon Age games, I love the Mass Effect trilogy, I love KOTOR. But comparing The Witcher 3 to Mass Effect: Andromeda is just laughable. The only similarity they have is that they both as Triple A games set standards But The Witcher 3 sets standards of how good we want a game to be (hey, is that game as good as TW3?) And ME:A sets standard of how bad a game can be (is that game as bad and glitchy as Mass Effect Andromeda?) According by who's standards? Yours?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 3, 2017 16:28:52 GMT
Yeah letting their political views shine too strongly in this game did not help their case much at all. I don't know if this game made me as mad though as the original ME3 endings. That still stings. Well with the ME3 ending it shit all over our choices throughout the trilogy. While ignoring our choices wasn't exactly new territory for the franchise at that point, the end of ME3 was the last point for them to acknowledge anything we did and instead the opted to make everything we did up to that point irrelevant all in one single moment. It got such a strong emotional response from the fanbase because we were all so invested in our Shep's stories since in a game franchise that had been marketed as though our choices mattered a great deal for the last 5 years. Irrelevant how? Destroyed quarians are still destroyed. Cured genophage is still cured. Dead ME2 squadmates are still dead. Extinct rachni are still extinct.
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Post by clips7 on Aug 3, 2017 17:15:38 GMT
Well with the ME3 ending it shit all over our choices throughout the trilogy. While ignoring our choices wasn't exactly new territory for the franchise at that point, the end of ME3 was the last point for them to acknowledge anything we did and instead the opted to make everything we did up to that point irrelevant all in one single moment. It got such a strong emotional response from the fanbase because we were all so invested in our Shep's stories since in a game franchise that had been marketed as though our choices mattered a great deal for the last 5 years. Irrelevant how? Destroyed quarians are still destroyed. Cured genophage is still cured. Dead ME2 squadmates are still dead. Extinct rachni are still extinct. I agree and while i feel ME3 could have ended with a more absolute conclusion, there was NO way Bioware was going to satisfy the outcomes of the player's decision throughout the entire trilogy. I think they was a bit too ambitious in that aspect, but the decisions you made did impact the game for the most part....if you didn't pick the right squadmates for the assignments during that suicide mission in ME2, squadmates would be be getting waxed left and right. The decisions you made in ME2 (though minor is some regards) took affect when you fired up ME3.....i still think they did a decent job keeping a track of decisions that transferred over to ME3. Could they have tallied everything up to...."Since you did this in the trilogy you get ending A" and if you did this...ending B?....possibly. I think because there was so many other decisions being made in between, is because they couldn't satisfy everybody's gameplay decisions and options.....still the star child felt a wee bit like a cop out when that storyline was venturing on the aspect of the Reapers being the creators of everything. It was really turning into something epic and much more bigger than humans in the universe, and they squandered it a bit with those endings....which wasn't bad, i just thought it could've been waaay better just with how Epic the Reaper storyline was and in how they was teasing their Godly status....
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 3, 2017 17:18:17 GMT
Looking back... I'd say MEA got the reception it deserved.
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Post by heathenoxman on Aug 3, 2017 17:36:51 GMT
I suspect, when "Anthem" hits the shelves, people will start singing MEA's praises in comparison.
That's how is always works with BW games.
Previously, folks bitched incessantly about DAI's CC because UGLY HAIR. Now, since seeing MEA's CC, DAI's CC was the greatest thing since canned beer.
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Post by Guts on Aug 3, 2017 17:49:08 GMT
In terms of the criticism, yeah I feel some of the criticism was deserved (asari clones, complaints towards story, complaints towards villain, facial animation criticism was a little exaggerated, etc.). In terms of hate, I feel this is where the internet went overboard. Remember how those people were sending a female game dev rape/death threats because supposedly, she worked on the facial animations, turns out she didn't. Great job internet! Welcome to the internet. Yup. Basically.
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My oven mitt is too small.
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Post by piratesnugglecakes on Aug 3, 2017 17:50:56 GMT
I still haven't finished this game because I don't care enough about the....oh good. I've forgotten the name of the sh*tty villains.
Were we too harsh? Gee...are we critiquing art projects of 3rd grade children or are we talking about 60-100 dollar video games we purchase instead of other items to entertain ourselves? This was a flaccid follow up to a fantastic trilogy. Five years of build up and anticipation and we get this boring half-assed meander through empty environments? Voice acting that sounded like they did casting out of a local homeless shelter? I just finished playing Mass Effect 2 and decided to replay the Witcher 3 next. Very different games that are both good for different reasons and both so much more engaging that ME:A. You know how when you go to a fast food restaurant and the person there makes it quite obvious to you they would rather do anything else than serve you? That's the way ME:A feels; the people that made this game would have rather been doing anything else than make that game. The 'I don't give a flying sh*t about this game' just permeates it. Well, they got my money. So mission accomplished. I got suckered. But for me, it's the last straw. I won't buy another Mass Effect game because of how poorly this one was made; assuming they bother to make one. So short answer? No, 'we' weren't too harsh. We weren't harsh enough.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 3, 2017 18:00:34 GMT
I've never cared about what the "internet opinion" is. I don't see my own perspective on ME:A as being associated with anyone else's just on the basis of arbitrary connections.
People often prefer to treat a collection of individual opinions as a collective. It's a lot easier to make points or argue that way, but it's also largely pointless.
In the context of online gaming, it's usually used to scapegoat others with "this is why we can't have nice things" (because others disagree with me/us.) I see it as disconnected from reality.
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