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Post by clips7 on Aug 3, 2017 18:22:23 GMT
I agree with the video for the most part as my criticisms was mainly a lacking storyine and uninteresting characters.... and yes while playing the game, the characters seemed like the stakes was never high or that nothing was taken too seriously...basically the dialogue in certain parts of the game was uninspired.
Those are the real issues with this game outside of it's launch issues with respects to it's facial animations and story glitches.....the game for me was a solid 8 before the patches and is still a solid 8 afterwards....
As far as being too harsh?....yeah we all know some folks out on youtube went a bit overboard with their criticisms of the game and the game itself has incredible art direction and design. The game is nowhere near as bad as some of those youtube videos make them out to be...
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Post by armass81 on Aug 3, 2017 18:27:59 GMT
Somewhat too harsh yes.
It was a dissapointment, after so many years of waiting. And it certainly deserved its criticism of releasing in a beta state with all the animations and bugs. But it wasnt a disaster, or a betrayal. Like Aliens: Colonial Marines. Tough some of the comments make it sound like so... Even after all the problems it had id still call it a 7/10 game, which is quite an accomplishment given its clusterfuck of a develoment. Sadly it might be enough to sink the franchise, at least the andromeda part of it for good.
More than anything id blame this on corporate handling, piss poor management and releasing games out to get quick cashgrabs with flaunting the franchise title. Also bioware "fixing" too much, or overcompensating in the game, making it too joke filled and playing it safe(no doubt because theyre terrified of some fans reactions after the endings now abnd the positive reaction to the citadel dlc, thank you so much...). Next game(if ever) will probably be uber dark and totally serious now, cause their afraid to make anything funny now(wasnt that waht some complained of ME3 too, that it was "too dark"... of course it was, it was the reaper invasion)...
Im kinda blaming the current player environment too, where they judge every game under 8 a shit. That is not so, if you look at them objectively. 7/10, even 6/10 games are fun to play at times still and you can still enjoy them. When you go below 5, thats where the real shit starts.
MEA is like if youre a Star Trek fan and watch a maraton of lets say 10 episodes, theres some really mediocre and boring episodes theres mostly, but couple of them are quite decent.
In hindsight, i wish the game had been released january-march 2018, it could have used some more time.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 18:57:33 GMT
How was the marketing deceptive? A. as much as it may pain me to admit there hardly was any marketing, at least not till the last few weeks before the game came out. B. Many people at the time pointed out that the game looked buggy and the animations were wonky, that BioWare did not go out of their way to pretty things up, like most companies. Assuring people that issues like animations, multiplayer, character creation and even gay romances (not that I really care lol) would be fine on launch and that open-world wouldn't be DAI style when that's almost exactly what we got. Do you actually know they were being deceptive and didn't work on these things or are you being speculative? As far as it goes the game was buggy (but we have no way of knowing how many they squashed until release, the game had wonky animations, don't care about MP, the game had probably one of Biowares best CCs,and the side quests were light years beyond DAI. Almost as good as DAO and TW3.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 19:02:51 GMT
Somewhat too harsh yes. It was a dissapointment, after so many years of waiting. And it certainly deserved its criticism of releasing in a beta state with all the animations and bugs. But it wasnt a disaster, or a betrayal. Like Aliens: Colonial Marines. Tough some of the comments make it sound like so... Even after all the problems it had id still call it a 7/10 game, which is quite an accomplishment given its clusterfuck of a develoment. Sadly it might be enough to sink the franchise, at least the andromeda part of it for good. More than anything id blame this on corporate handling, piss poor management and releasing games out to get quick cashgrabs with flaunting the franchise title. Also bioware "fixing" too much, or overcompensating in the game, making it too joke filled and playing it safe(no doubt because theyre terrified of some fans reactions after the endings now abnd the positive reaction to the citadel dlc, thank you so much...). Next game(if ever) will probably be uber dark and totally serious now, cause their afraid to make anything funny now(wasnt that waht some complained of ME3 too, that it was "too dark"... of course it was, it was the reaper invasion)... Im kinda blaming the current player environment too, where they judge every game under 8 a shit. That is not so, if you look at them objectively. 7/10, even 6/10 games are fun to play at times still and you can still enjoy them. When you go below 5, thats where the real shit starts.
MEA is like if youre a Star Trek fan and watch a maraton of lets say 10 episodes, theres some really mediocre and boring episodes theres mostly, but couple of them are quite decent. In hindsight, i wish the game had been released january-march 2018, it could have used some more time. whatever for? The game has only been out five months and through patching has gone from a hot mess to actually being a very stable game with no major bugs. So what would they have used the seven months for? Playing baseball?
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Post by armass81 on Aug 3, 2017 19:20:59 GMT
Somewhat too harsh yes. It was a dissapointment, after so many years of waiting. And it certainly deserved its criticism of releasing in a beta state with all the animations and bugs. But it wasnt a disaster, or a betrayal. Like Aliens: Colonial Marines. Tough some of the comments make it sound like so... Even after all the problems it had id still call it a 7/10 game, which is quite an accomplishment given its clusterfuck of a develoment. Sadly it might be enough to sink the franchise, at least the andromeda part of it for good. More than anything id blame this on corporate handling, piss poor management and releasing games out to get quick cashgrabs with flaunting the franchise title. Also bioware "fixing" too much, or overcompensating in the game, making it too joke filled and playing it safe(no doubt because theyre terrified of some fans reactions after the endings now abnd the positive reaction to the citadel dlc, thank you so much...). Next game(if ever) will probably be uber dark and totally serious now, cause their afraid to make anything funny now(wasnt that waht some complained of ME3 too, that it was "too dark"... of course it was, it was the reaper invasion)... Im kinda blaming the current player environment too, where they judge every game under 8 a shit. That is not so, if you look at them objectively. 7/10, even 6/10 games are fun to play at times still and you can still enjoy them. When you go below 5, thats where the real shit starts.
MEA is like if youre a Star Trek fan and watch a maraton of lets say 10 episodes, theres some really mediocre and boring episodes theres mostly, but couple of them are quite decent. In hindsight, i wish the game had been released january-march 2018, it could have used some more time. whatever for? The game has only been out five months and through patching has gone from a hot mess to actually being a very stable game with no major bugs. So what would they have used the seven months for? Playing baseball? A year could have made a bit of differenc id say. In addition of fixing the animation and bug issues, they could have been adding some things, making quests more intresting and perhaps reviewing and mending the story and dialogue more. All in all, polishing all around. Even if the fundamental problems would have ultimately remained, i think general prof. reviewers would have given this game a score that started with 8 then, after all that was apparently "all they wanted, then they would fix everything in the sequel". Now we will be very, very lucky if we even get that sequel. To waste 3.5 years in game making is horrible but at least 2.5 year developed game is usually better than 1.5 year game. This game is nowhere near a fruit of a 5 year old development... i got that evern before the kotaku insider articles came. I judged it was made in about 2 years max, about the same time as ME3, turns out it was bit less, a stitch job of whatever remnants and scraps of ideas they could gather about after 3.5 years of wandering around(or playing baseball;) ). They really wasted most of their time... It was also clear that their A talents didnt work on this game, or at least not that much, excepting the combat and art, which were excellent.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 3, 2017 19:38:46 GMT
I suspect, when "Anthem" hits the shelves, people will start singing MEA's praises in comparison. That's how is always works with BW games. Previously, folks bitched incessantly about DAI's CC because UGLY HAIR. Now, since seeing MEA's CC, DAI's CC was the greatest thing since canned beer. Compared to MEA's CC, it IS the greatest thing since canned beer
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 19:40:12 GMT
NAILED IT. I'm here because I'm not on Andromeda and I really don't want to play another non-Frostbite/BioWare game. I love Fallout, but that's done and over with. I love X-COM, but that's done and over with. I love Far Cry, but again... done. I'm at my best when I get about an hour or two of BioWare instead of watching TV. It's been like that since Baldur's Gate and that's why I'm here. I'm not on any other forums. I just don't care or not invested enough. I have never really gotten into the forums until I noticed that BioWare wasn't responding like they used to do in the past. Most of the time, it was to collect screenshots or find a fix for an AMD/ATI issue. That's it. The less the communication, the more I come here for information. That's not cool. However, the up side is now I have some very cool, mature and KICK ASS members that I can ask to play co-op with or something. I don't need my anti-BioWare pen-and-pal friends from the gaming shop or even Paul and his beloved PS4. I've also learned a great deal from everyone here about building a rig. They saved me $4200. That's not an exaggeration and the savings could mean more. I started with a budget of $3500 and it quickly escalated (with chair, gaming keyboard with keypad, mouse, pad, headset, a cooling kit, etc.) to the point I was about to blow $7.5k Now I'm down to $2950 and I have a five-year solution that's going to give me what I want: the ability to see what the developers see. That's appreciating the art the best way I know how. I'm a nerd... I know it. We're all nerds down here, and I think that's the unique charm of this forum. Even the trolls. Also, that's a heck of a sanity check right there going from $7.5 to just under $3! I can't wait. It's killing me. I also have this dark feeling that the DLC is going to drop when I'm literally in Satellite GPS-only areas. You won't hear from me for days and at one point, a possible week. Lots of snacks and coffee in that trailer. I'm also without Jack, my dog. Oh man... I miss my sidekick. Anyway, hell yeah! The more I save the more time I can cajole Debbie to doing her stuff while I play on the computer. That's my plan and I don't care if you don't approve.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
whatever for? The game has only been out five months and through patching has gone from a hot mess to actually being a very stable game with no major bugs. So what would they have used the seven months for? Playing baseball? A year could have made a bit of differenc id say. In addition of fixing the animation and bug issues, they could have been adding some things, making quests more intresting and perhaps reviewing and mending the story and dialogue more. All in all, polishing all around. Even if the fundamental problems would have ultimately remained, i think general prof. reviewers would have given this game a score that started with 8 then, after all that was apparently "all they wanted, then they would fix everything in the sequel". Now we will be very, very lucky if we even get that sequel. To waste 3.5 years in game making is horrible but at least 2.5 year developed game is usually better than 1.5 year game. This game is nowhere near a fruit of a 5 year old development... i got that evern before the kotaku insider articles came. I judged it was made in about 2 years max, about the same time as ME3, turns out it was bit less, a stitch job of whatever remnants and scraps of ideas they could gather about after 3.5 years of wandering around(or playing baseball;) ). They really wasted most of their time... It was also clear that their A talents didnt work on this game, or at least not that much, excepting the combat and art, which were excellent. perhaps but we really can't know that for sure considering at the outset they wanted to do something different from the trilogy. The dialogue problems might not have been fixed with ten years development time.
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Post by ebevan91 on Aug 3, 2017 20:04:45 GMT
My biggest gripe with the game is that it seemed like it was an intentionally unfinished game with cliffhangers everywhere so they could push out a lot of DLC for the game. But it bit them in the ass when sales performance was not as good as they had hoped.
Actually my real biggest gripe is that they let the C team develop the game and not their best team, but my point still stands.
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 3, 2017 20:08:11 GMT
I felt embarrassed having it on my console so I deleted it.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 20:08:42 GMT
My biggest gripe with the game is that it seemed like it was an intentionally unfinished game with cliffhangers everywhere so they could push out a lot of DLC for the game. But it bit them in the ass when sales performance was not as good as they had hoped. Actually my real biggest gripe is that they let the C team develop the game and not their best team, but my point still stands. so like ME 1 ME 2 and all three of the dragon age games and even most pieces of entertainment dropped since SWs.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 3, 2017 20:42:35 GMT
I felt embarrassed about having a console Cheer up, buy a PC.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Aug 3, 2017 20:45:46 GMT
On a side note if I were to judge Witcher 3 on the standards you yourself use I would have thrown the game in the trash. Then in my opinion, you have bad taste in RPG's. If a game can't hook you in 10 hours, and does everything it possibly can to make you loathe it, it's not worth another 90. And this seems to be the consensus, as the studio responsible for this mess, is seemingly finished. No DLC for you! Aww, come on, man. Don't sully Seinfeld by using it in this context. Seinfeld is above your pretty squabbles about DLC or how well MEA did financially or whatever. It's not some trash meme to be thrown around willy nilly. Show some respect. Poor Seinfeld. Dragged down the gutter. That goes for everyone.
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Post by Guts on Aug 3, 2017 20:46:33 GMT
I felt embarrassed about having a console Cheer up, buy a PC. #PCmasterrace?
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Post by azuremazey on Aug 3, 2017 21:20:08 GMT
I personally enjoyed the game. But, some criticism was warranted and not too harsh I believe. There were errors/bugs, and things that did or are hoping going to get addressed and fixed. That said, I feel that a lot of people went on that "hate train", after seeing one or two posts about Addison for example, and just went too far. Some didn't even play it. If they don't want to buy it, that's fair enough. But there's a free trial at least, they could give it a shot before completely writing it off. If it's not a person's type of game, I can understand that. The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough" Oh there were definite issues and more time for release to fix said issues would have been great. But what I meant was, they seemed to focus solely on that and not comment on say combat, scenery, or anything else. Just kept posting Addison memes to justify why the game is so "terrible", all the while, not even playing it. I saw a video of the running animation with Swiggity Swooty, I'm comin' for dat booty, and I legit laughed. I mean, it's funny. I still bought the game and played it, and I personally enjoyed it.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 21:51:08 GMT
On a side note if I were to judge Witcher 3 on the standards you yourself use I would have thrown the game in the trash. Then in my opinion, you have bad taste in RPG's. If a game can't hook you in 10 hours, and does everything it possibly can to make you loathe it, it's not worth another 90. And this seems to be the consensus, as the studio responsible for this mess, is seemingly finished. No DLC for you! He has bad taste because he may not feel the same way you do?
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 21:53:06 GMT
I suspect, when "Anthem" hits the shelves, people will start singing MEA's praises in comparison. That's how is always works with BW games. Previously, folks bitched incessantly about DAI's CC because UGLY HAIR. Now, since seeing MEA's CC, DAI's CC was the greatest thing since canned beer. Compared to MEA's CC, it IS the greatest thing since canned beer I concur.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 3, 2017 21:54:57 GMT
It still confuses me on how people believe that ME:A is a social justice infested game.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 3, 2017 21:59:29 GMT
It still confuses me on how people believe that ME:A is a social justice infested game. Probably because it didn't feature a supernaturally strong, powerful white guy with a beard who can sleep with beautiful women (who handily all desire him) without repercussions, including getting them pregnant. At a guess.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 3, 2017 22:01:55 GMT
The Addison hate train is well deserved. If Bioware couldn't be bothered to make sure garbage like that wasn't in the intro to the game... what hope did the rest of the game have. It's like they didn't care one iota about first impressions, and were just like "fuck it, it's good enough" Oh there were definite issues and more time for release to fix said issues would have been great. But what I meant was, they seemed to focus solely on that and not comment on say combat, scenery, or anything else. Just kept posting Addison memes to justify why the game is so "terrible", all the while, not even playing it. I saw a video of the running animation with Swiggity Swooty, I'm comin' for dat booty, and I legit laughed. I mean, it's funny. I still bought the game and played it, and I personally enjoyed it. I'm telling you. 1.09 renewed my confidence in BioWare. My confidence needed renewing though. The miserable launch coupled with Inquisition's miserable launch for PC last time. I just thought all the wrong things and made a lot of awful assumptions, but some of my patreon recipients were sending out the very same negative stuff. I've switched recipients quite a bit this month because my skepticism meter threw too many red flags up. 1.09 can stand on its own legs despite what was said five months ago. The consensus is changing and I noticed it. The shop in this podunk town is running the game and online. I was jealous. The game is great. Three playthroughs and I'm the Pathfinder. I want more.
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Post by ProbeAway on Aug 3, 2017 22:29:16 GMT
Naw, I still stand by my critique of the game, which I won't rehash again here. But one thing this video reminded me of, was just how hyped for the game I was after watching the AI videos. Talking about Pathfinders being the first on the ground, testing planets, finding a suitable spot for colonies, etc. It looked like you were going to has some influence over how the Nexus grew and developed over the game. Didn't see any of it in the game. That was really disappointing. " Talking about Pathfinders being the first on the ground, testing planets, finding a suitable spot for colonies, etc. It looked like you were going to has some influence over how the Nexus grew and developed over the game. " Yup I was exactly there with you as well! That is how I felt, I was extremely saddened that it was not really part of the final game See I find that view a bit odd because I felt like this is exactly what we did. Terraformed and colonised planets, saved the Nexus. Execution could have been better perhaps.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2017 23:32:38 GMT
Somewhat too harsh yes. It was a dissapointment, after so many years of waiting. And it certainly deserved its criticism of releasing in a beta state with all the animations and bugs. But it wasnt a disaster, or a betrayal. Like Aliens: Colonial Marines. Tough some of the comments make it sound like so... Even after all the problems it had id still call it a 7/10 game, which is quite an accomplishment given its clusterfuck of a develoment. Sadly it might be enough to sink the franchise, at least the andromeda part of it for good. More than anything id blame this on corporate handling, piss poor management and releasing games out to get quick cashgrabs with flaunting the franchise title. Also bioware "fixing" too much, or overcompensating in the game, making it too joke filled and playing it safe(no doubt because theyre terrified of some fans reactions after the endings now abnd the positive reaction to the citadel dlc, thank you so much...). Next game(if ever) will probably be uber dark and totally serious now, cause their afraid to make anything funny now(wasnt that waht some complained of ME3 too, that it was "too dark"... of course it was, it was the reaper invasion)... Im kinda blaming the current player environment too, where they judge every game under 8 a shit. That is not so, if you look at them objectively. 7/10, even 6/10 games are fun to play at times still and you can still enjoy them. When you go below 5, thats where the real shit starts.
MEA is like if youre a Star Trek fan and watch a maraton of lets say 10 episodes, theres some really mediocre and boring episodes theres mostly, but couple of them are quite decent. In hindsight, i wish the game had been released january-march 2018, it could have used some more time. whatever for? The game has only been out five months and through patching has gone from a hot mess to actually being a very stable game with no major bugs. So what would they have used the seven months for? Playing baseball? Agreed for me it only needed another 2 or 3 months as the game plays pretty well now yes there are still one or 2 minor things but the major issues that weer causing things to crash and be buggy are gone.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2017 23:37:40 GMT
A year could have made a bit of differenc id say. In addition of fixing the animation and bug issues, they could have been adding some things, making quests more intresting and perhaps reviewing and mending the story and dialogue more. All in all, polishing all around. Even if the fundamental problems would have ultimately remained, i think general prof. reviewers would have given this game a score that started with 8 then, after all that was apparently "all they wanted, then they would fix everything in the sequel". Now we will be very, very lucky if we even get that sequel. To waste 3.5 years in game making is horrible but at least 2.5 year developed game is usually better than 1.5 year game. This game is nowhere near a fruit of a 5 year old development... i got that evern before the kotaku insider articles came. I judged it was made in about 2 years max, about the same time as ME3, turns out it was bit less, a stitch job of whatever remnants and scraps of ideas they could gather about after 3.5 years of wandering around(or playing baseball;) ). They really wasted most of their time... It was also clear that their A talents didnt work on this game, or at least not that much, excepting the combat and art, which were excellent. perhaps but we really can't know that for sure considering at the outset they wanted to do something different from the trilogy. The dialogue problems might not have been fixed with ten years development time. maybe not but they might have tightened up the story with a bit more time.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 3, 2017 23:39:45 GMT
Exactly my thought's Sara.
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