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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 5, 2017 15:50:47 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game.
If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations.
Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats.
Thoughts?
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Post by duckley on Aug 5, 2017 16:10:11 GMT
They left a lot of loose ends to be tied up. I am waiting for a DLC or two. I don't get why they wouldn't have planned for at least one. If there is no DLC then I think they just need to make sure all the unanswered question from MEA are dealt with. I would like to continue my Ryder's story, but I would also be open to a new protagonist.
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Post by traks on Aug 5, 2017 16:23:27 GMT
... it should continue the Ryder story. Mass Effect is about playing one protagonist through multiple games for me, so I hope that Bioware keeps the Dragon Age style with Dragon Age.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 5, 2017 16:25:33 GMT
I think if they scrap what they did in Andromeda it would just lead the exact same problems in a sequel. My belief is that if Mass Effect 2 had a different protagonist then Shepard it would have been received with far less acceptance then it was because it was starting out at square one again and there was nothing to grow from everything was completely new.
I think Andromeda wasn't designed around the world of Andromeda like Dragon Age was designed to focus more on Thedas for they spent a lot more time in Dragon Age developing the world over characters, but Mass Effect develops the characters more over the world.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:30:08 GMT
Too many open questions left at the end of ME:A. If they just scrap this it will be a loud "you know what, f*ck this we don't even care anymore" sign for the public - bad PR going even more bad.
So they really SHOULD release a SP DLC, chances are the disbanded Montreal team leftovers are now supported by Edmonton or other units with the creation of SP DLC. Given how Montral wans't that good at delivering SP part of the game, they might have been assigned to do what they are rather good at - the MP part of ME:A and its support, while the other group more skilled in SP now makes SP DLC in silence.
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Post by warrior on Aug 5, 2017 16:33:13 GMT
I would prefer they give us a SP DLC that ties up major loose ends (at least the Benefactor stuff) and then give the next game a new protagonist (in the distant future, maybe, but still in Andromeda).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:35:01 GMT
I would prefer they give us a SP DLC that ties up major loose ends (at least the Benefactor stuff) and then give the next game a new protagonist (in the distant future, maybe, but still in Andromeda). Set ME:A 2 few years after ME:A, yes. That way Ryder will have time to grow up and stop being a kid with AI stuck in his head.
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 16:35:06 GMT
They need to finish this story before moving on with something else. We need to know what happened with Jien Garson, the Benefactor, the Quarians, etc. All of that needs to be resolved before the franchise moves on, and not through datapads.
The foundation of a great story is there...they just to give Liam, Peebee, Cora, and Vetra the same depth of character they gave Drack and Jaal. This game needs 2-3 DLCs to set it up for a sequel. If they tell the story through novels, comics and datapads, they will have a difficult time building the hype for the sequel but I don't think they will.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:37:10 GMT
They need to finish this story before moving on with something else. We need to know what happened with Jien Garson, the Benefactor, the Quarians, etc. All of that needs to be resolved before the franchise moves on, and not through datapads. The foundation of a great story is there...they just to give Liam, Peebee, Cora, and Vetra the same depth of character they gave Drack and Jaal. This game needs 2-3 DLCs to set it up for a sequel. If they tell the story through novels, comics and datapads, they will have a difficult time building the hype for the sequel but I don't think they will. Yup. They should use SP DLCs to add as much "meat" to squadmates as possible. Would be too cheap to just scrap them now, they used to make such a "big deal" about them with the teases and tweets, that now backing down would feel odd.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:40:10 GMT
I'd like to continue with Ryder and crew. I don't know that I'd be interested otherwise.
Of course, I'd also like to revert most of the combat changes - regain the power wheel and control of squadmate powers, the mini-map instead of the lame-ass Bethesda style compass, the class system, and lose the damned jump jets. I honestly don't know how interested I'd be in another title with this chaotic, reactive combat instead of the tactical combat I enjoyed in MET.
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Post by kino on Aug 5, 2017 16:41:22 GMT
Stay in Andromeda. Continue the Ryder story.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:44:05 GMT
I would prefer they give us a SP DLC that ties up major loose ends (at least the Benefactor stuff) and then give the next game a new protagonist (in the distant future, maybe, but still in Andromeda). Set ME:A 2 few years after ME:A, yes. That way Ryder will have time to grow up and stop being a kid with AI stuck in his head. I don't think a time jump is needed for Ryder to mature. The experiences she had through MEA brought about a lot of growth, and she's become a hero in her own right. Consider how much some of the MET characters changed over the course of the trilogy.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 5, 2017 16:44:20 GMT
Continuing in Andromeda seems the better course and unless there's the possibility of playing as non-human races, I think it'd be best to continue with Ryder as the protagonist.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 16:49:11 GMT
I want the Quarian Arc DLC, for both the SP and MP reasons, because it will bring more races in the game, including potentially different Andromeda races, both friendly and not.
In terms of the protagonist for the new game, either Ryder or a new character is good. What I do not want is the companion recycle the way the DA did it, because more and more places get taken up by the Important Companions, making each subsequent PC less and less important compared to them, and more of them reappear as the old flames of the previous protagonist, so you cannot continue relationship like you did in MET.
so, either Ryder with returning crew and a couple new relationships if desired, or new char and all new cast.
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Post by Guts on Aug 5, 2017 16:49:51 GMT
I would prefer they give us a SP DLC that ties up major loose ends (at least the Benefactor stuff) and then give the next game a new protagonist (in the distant future, maybe, but still in Andromeda). Set ME:A 2 few years after ME:A, yes. That way Ryder will have time to grow up and stop being a kid with AI stuck in his head. I would also like it if Ryder learned to rely more on him/herself rather than have SAM do all the heavy lifting. That was one of my biggest gripes with the story, that and how it felt like a silly way to tie in synthesis. (Speaking of which, what is the general opinion on synthesis?)
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 16:52:31 GMT
They need to finish this story before moving on with something else. We need to know what happened with Jien Garson, the Benefactor, the Quarians, etc. All of that needs to be resolved before the franchise moves on, and not through datapads. The foundation of a great story is there...they just to give Liam, Peebee, Cora, and Vetra the same depth of character they gave Drack and Jaal. This game needs 2-3 DLCs to set it up for a sequel. If they tell the story through novels, comics and datapads, they will have a difficult time building the hype for the sequel but I don't think they will. Yup. They should use SP DLCs to add as much "meat" to squadmates as possible. Would be too cheap to just scrap them now, they used to make such a "big deal" about them with the teases and tweets, that now backing down would feel odd. Yeah, they have all the right ingredients there with the character backstory, finished character model, and voice actor, they just need some better writing/dialogue in some cases. Liam needs to do "something" epic/smart to justify his presence. He also needs to slow down and not be a mush-mouth. I really liked Peebee, her voice actress and character model are solid, but her writer needs to nail down her character because she's kind if all over the place. Oh, she needs to stop using human idioms/phrases(water under the bridge, lickity-split, etc)...only so many times you chalk it up to a limited translator. I feel they underused Vetra's "resourcefulness" and need this expanded on further, maybe teamed with her sister. Finally, Cora needs to get fierce. We got her backstory and saw her realization about Serissa, now I want her to not hold back and show some confidence. She should be free of expectations that appear to be mostly self-imposed
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Post by cypherj on Aug 5, 2017 16:52:45 GMT
They should stay in Andromeda and move time forward to a point where things are more established. Another game in the fledgling days, still stuck in the one cluster, scattered colonies wouldn't really interest me much.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 16:54:57 GMT
It won't automatically be better if they did, and could even just be worse.
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Post by Sondergaard on Aug 5, 2017 16:57:35 GMT
Too many open questions left at the end of ME:A. If they just scrap this it will be a loud "you know what, f*ck this we don't even care anymore" sign for the public They said that the moment ME:A was released with the asari clones. Biggest 'fuck it, that'll do' I've ever seen in a AAA game. As for the OP I'd prefer a hard reboot of ME:A. I still can't get over the basic premise being so appallingly executed.
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 16:59:55 GMT
Set ME:A 2 few years after ME:A, yes. That way Ryder will have time to grow up and stop being a kid with AI stuck in his head. I would also like it if Ryder learned to rely more on him/herself rather than have SAM do all the heavy lifting. That was one of my biggest gripes with the story, that and how it felt like a silly way to tie in synthesis. (Speaking of which, what is the general opinion on synthesis?) Personally, toward the end, I felt like Ryder did. There are some things that SAM will always be needed for to give Ryder an edge but there was some maturity and development. Honestly, I didn't get a huge "Synthesis" vibe from SAM/Ryder's relationship. Synthesis in ME3 felt like this weird, forced hybridization while SAM and Ryder felt more cooperative, like there was a choice and desire to help each other as separate but connected entities. By the way, for context, I thought Synthesis was the worst of the three options and Destroy the best.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 5, 2017 17:06:11 GMT
I will play it either way. I can see how they could end Ryder's arc quite easily with DLC tying it up and start the next section with another crew, but I would prefer to stick with Ryder.
People didn't feel the same way about the MET characters when they played ME1 as when they played 2 and 3. It takes time to develop characters and relationships and gamer's attachment to them.
Disliking a character isn't a bad thing. Disliking the writing of a game is a different issue. Neither of these means they need to be abandoned. They can easily be improved on. I think if the development of the game has been smoother everything would have been better.
There's no reason to say people would like a new protagonist and team and more. It's hard to follow Shep and co, Ryder and co were always going to have a tough time under intense scrutiny.
I don't like all of MEAs characters, but actually I don't need to and never have in any game.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 17:08:04 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game. If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations. Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats. Thoughts? First we have nothing to accept as their is no definitive answer. Second they should do a direct sequel and continue the Ryder story. Baring that new Protagonist stay in Andromeda.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 17:08:50 GMT
I will play it either way. I can see how they could end Ryder's arc quite easily with DLC tying it up and start the next section with another crew, but I would prefer to stick with Ryder. People didn't feel the same way about the MET characters when they player ME1 as when they played 2 and 3. It takes time to develop characters and relationships and gamer's attachment to them. Disliking a character isn't a bad thing. Disliking the writing of a game is a different issue. Neither of these means they need to be abandoned. They can easily be improved on. I think if the development of the game has been smoother everything would have been better. There's no reason to say people would like a new protagonist and team and more. It's hard to follow Shep and co, Ryder and co were always going to have a tough time under intense scrutiny. I don't like all of MEAs characters, but actually I don't need to and never have in any game. Like Garrus and Liara. I thought Garrus was boring as shit and Liara was corny as hell in ME1, then they became my favorites in ME3.
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 17:10:14 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game. If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations. Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats. Thoughts? First we have nothing to accept as their is no definitive answer. Second they should do a direct sequel and continue the Ryder story. Baring that new Protagonist stay in Andromeda. Yeah, so far, BioWare has not left a story unfinished and they shouldn't do it here. They have the foundation and they just need to tweak the formula a bit
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 17:12:25 GMT
Definitely stick with Ryder. Imo the only great thing about ME1 is that it lead to 2 and 3. Look at the first one on its own, and it's no better than Andromeda.
So I'd be fairly confident any sequel would be much better, whereas another "reboot" would just make the same mistakes.
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