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Post by cypherj on Aug 5, 2017 17:15:05 GMT
I will play it either way. I can see how they could end Ryder's arc quite easily with DLC tying it up and start the next section with another crew, but I would prefer to stick with Ryder. People didn't feel the same way about the MET characters when they player ME1 as when they played 2 and 3. It takes time to develop characters and relationships and gamer's attachment to them. Disliking a character isn't a bad thing. Disliking the writing of a game is a different issue. Neither of these means they need to be abandoned. They can easily be improved on. I think if the development of the game has been smoother everything would have been better. There's no reason to say people would like a new protagonist and team and more. It's hard to follow Shep and co, Ryder and co were always going to have a tough time under intense scrutiny. I don't like all of MEAs characters, but actually I don't need to and never have in any game. Like Garrus and Liara. I thought Garrus was boring as shit and Liara was corny as hell in ME1, then they became my favorites in ME3. People underestimate how much people liked the crew after ME1. Players were mad when they found out that Garrus and Tali may not be in ME2, and wanted them in the game not only as squadmates but as love interests, and Liara had to be popular enough and wanted enough to get her own DLC in ME2. I can't think of any other character not being introduced via DLC that got their own DLC. |
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 5, 2017 17:23:46 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game. If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations. Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats. Thoughts? I'll say the same thing I said before we even knew that the game that ended up being MEA was going to be in the Andromeda galaxy: PREQUEL. Either for the First Contact War (maybe from the turian perspective?), or if human biotics would be missed too much, then the period between 2171 CE and 2178 CE, when the batarians were running amok. I would take great pleasure in doing for batarians as I did for Cerberus. Not that I'd mind MEA continuing, #SAVETHEQUARIANS and such. I just think there is a ton of great gameplay and story to be mined from the lore prior to ME1. |
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 5, 2017 17:32:15 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game. If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations. Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats. Thoughts? It would be ridiculous to continue in Andromeda without tying up the loose ends. Ryder isn't the problem. Either could easily be more hardened following the events of MEA - if desired, that is. I'm fine with them as they are. |
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 5, 2017 17:39:49 GMT
I will play it either way. I can see how they could end Ryder's arc quite easily with DLC tying it up and start the next section with another crew, but I would prefer to stick with Ryder. People didn't feel the same way about the MET characters when they player ME1 as when they played 2 and 3. It takes time to develop characters and relationships and gamer's attachment to them. Disliking a character isn't a bad thing. Disliking the writing of a game is a different issue. Neither of these means they need to be abandoned. They can easily be improved on. I think if the development of the game has been smoother everything would have been better. There's no reason to say people would like a new protagonist and team and more. It's hard to follow Shep and co, Ryder and co were always going to have a tough time under intense scrutiny. I don't like all of MEAs characters, but actually I don't need to and never have in any game. Like Garrus and Liara. I thought Garrus was boring as shit and Liara was corny as hell in ME1, then they became my favorites in ME3. They both grew from my least faves to my bffs. Wrex was always my wing man though. 😀 |
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 5, 2017 17:40:01 GMT
I've zero interest in revisiting Ryder as a character.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 17:44:47 GMT
Like Garrus and Liara. I thought Garrus was boring as shit and Liara was corny as hell in ME1, then they became my favorites in ME3. People underestimate how much people liked the crew after ME1. Players were mad when they found out that Garrus and Tali may not be in ME2, and wanted them in the game not only as squadmates but as love interests, and Liara had to be popular enough and wanted enough to get her own DLC in ME2. I can't think of any other character not being introduced via DLC that got their own DLC. The Tali one is kind of funny, because it's hard to imagine getting worked up over a walking codex. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 17:48:59 GMT
People underestimate how much people liked the crew after ME1. Players were mad when they found out that Garrus and Tali may not be in ME2, and wanted them in the game not only as squadmates but as love interests, and Liara had to be popular enough and wanted enough to get her own DLC in ME2. I can't think of any other character not being introduced via DLC that got their own DLC. The Tali one is kind of funny, because it's hard to imagine getting worked up over a walking codex. And Garrus was just a CSec schlub...until he became Archangel. And Liara went from naive, sheltered scientist to a dangerous biotic and information broker. After some solid DLC, ME:A 2 could help do the same thing for some of ME:A's characters. |
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Post by rolenka on Aug 5, 2017 17:50:01 GMT
It should be a sequel to Andromeda, even if it isn't going to be started for a while.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 5, 2017 17:54:32 GMT
The Tali one is kind of funny, because it's hard to imagine getting worked up over a walking codex. And Garrus was just a CSec schlub...until he became Archangel. And Liara went from naive, sheltered scientist to a dangerous biotic and information broker. After some solid DLC, ME:A 2 could help do the same thing for some of ME:A's characters. Admittedly, Garrus had more to him than Tali did in ME1. His personal issues with C-Sec and having an actual companion mission put him over Tali in terms of characterization. Tali was basically all dry exposition and backstory about her people but nothing but what was essentially a sort-of-but-not-really fetch quest where you stumble across data for her to bring back to the flotilla. ME2 is where Tali became a real character. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 5, 2017 17:59:01 GMT
Too many open questions left at the end of ME:A. If they just scrap this it will be a loud "you know what, f*ck this we don't even care anymore" sign for the public - bad PR going even more bad. So they really SHOULD release a SP DLC, chances are the disbanded Montreal team leftovers are now supported by Edmonton or other units with the creation of SP DLC. Given how Montral wans't that good at delivering SP part of the game, they might have been assigned to do what they are rather good at - the MP part of ME:A and its support, while the other group more skilled in SP now makes SP DLC in silence. You dont need SP DLC to tie up loose ends. They can be tied up in a novel or explained at the beginning of the game. Sort of "while you were gone....this is what happened...." Also when I say Soft Reboot, I dont mean it as in act like the Ryder story/MEA1 never happened. I mean just skip ahead a decade or two with new companions, hero, races, and clusters and go from there but still be a solid point where gamers who never played MEA or the MET can still jump into and not feel lost or behind. |
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Post by cobalt72 on Aug 5, 2017 18:05:51 GMT
People will cry if they tie up loose ends that way.
People are still crying about the Hero of Ferelden. They're still crying about Shepard.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 5, 2017 18:12:59 GMT
People will cry if they tie up loose ends that way. People are still crying about the Hero of Ferelden. They're still crying about Shepard. I doubt Ryder shares the same level og popularity as The Warden and Shepard. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 18:15:35 GMT
Too many open questions left at the end of ME:A. If they just scrap this it will be a loud "you know what, f*ck this we don't even care anymore" sign for the public - bad PR going even more bad. So they really SHOULD release a SP DLC, chances are the disbanded Montreal team leftovers are now supported by Edmonton or other units with the creation of SP DLC. Given how Montral wans't that good at delivering SP part of the game, they might have been assigned to do what they are rather good at - the MP part of ME:A and its support, while the other group more skilled in SP now makes SP DLC in silence. You dont need SP DLC to tie up loose ends. They can be tied up in a novel or explained at the beginning of the game. Sort of "while you were gone....this is what happened...." Also when I say Soft Reboot, I dont mean it as in act like the Ryder story/MEA1 never happened. I mean just skip ahead a decade or two with new companions, hero, races, and clusters and go from there but still be a solid point where gamers who never played MEA or the MET can still jump into and not feel lost or behind. The ME novels are meant to fill in narrative gaps not BE the narrative. If they attempted to complete Ryder's story that way, I doubt it would be well received. |
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Post by cobalt72 on Aug 5, 2017 18:19:41 GMT
People will cry if they tie up loose ends that way. People are still crying about the Hero of Ferelden. They're still crying about Shepard. I doubt Ryder shares the same level og popularity as The Warden and Shepard. Eh, after one game I didn't "feel" or care much about Shepard. As for the Warden it wasn't so much about feeling or caring about just more about wanting the story to continue. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 18:19:47 GMT
And Garrus was just a CSec schlub...until he became Archangel. And Liara went from naive, sheltered scientist to a dangerous biotic and information broker. After some solid DLC, ME:A 2 could help do the same thing for some of ME:A's characters. Admittedly, Garrus had more to him than Tali did in ME1. His personal issues with C-Sec and having an actual companion mission put him over Tali in terms of characterization. Tali was basically all dry exposition and backstory about her people but nothing but what was essentially a sort-of-but-not-really fetch quest where you stumble across data for her to bring back to the flotilla. ME2 is where Tali became a real character. Garrus got more backstory and narrative importance, sure, but he still seemed to take a back seat to Wrex, Kaiden/Ashley, and Liara. His conversations on the Normandy were basically "thanks for taking me along"...he was there but rather uninteresting. In ME2, he ran a vigilante squad, he was known, wanted and feared...he was broken by betrayal...that Garrus was interesting |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 18:28:13 GMT
Fuck Kett waves on empty planets and mining them.
They should pull Voyager on this, some crazy shit happens, Tempest and the crew end up stranded in whole different region of the galaxy. ME would be perfect for kind of Star Trek mission/episodes structures, you encounter and deal with new phenomenons, species, create new enemies/alliances ( based on player choices), etc.
ME needs a new reset on the Setting, characters( when you ignore some of juvenile script) are solid and no worse off than in most other BW titles.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 5, 2017 18:31:08 GMT
I hope we get another protagonist, because Ryder doesn't have Shepard's charisma. I suggested on another thread that we could play as an exiled.
Ryder should just be dumped. Not only because of him, but because of his companions too (unless you dump every companion and bring a whole new team, but that would be weird). And please, let us be renegade assholes. I don't play as a renegade in OT, but it had moments where it was worth it (punching Gerrel in the gut, shooting Udina, shooting Brooks, etc.). I wish so much I could have just exile Liam or, to use his words, "shoot him on the face".
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 5, 2017 18:34:40 GMT
You dont need SP DLC to tie up loose ends. They can be tied up in a novel or explained at the beginning of the game. Sort of "while you were gone....this is what happened...." Also when I say Soft Reboot, I dont mean it as in act like the Ryder story/MEA1 never happened. I mean just skip ahead a decade or two with new companions, hero, races, and clusters and go from there but still be a solid point where gamers who never played MEA or the MET can still jump into and not feel lost or behind. The ME novels are meant to fill in narrative gaps not BE the narrative. If they attempted to complete Ryder's story that way, I doubt it would be well received. Again, this is all assuming that Ryder's popularity is on the same level as Hawke, Shepard, Revan and The Warden. The reception of Ryder and the inability to really care for the character or make them their own was another point many critics disliked about MEA. I doubt there would some huge fallout and this happens. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 18:43:34 GMT
The ME novels are meant to fill in narrative gaps not BE the narrative. If they attempted to complete Ryder's story that way, I doubt it would be well received. Again, this is all assuming that Ryder's popularity is on the same level as Hawke, Shepard, Revan and The Warden. The reception of Ryder and the inability to really care for the character or make them their own was another point many critics disliked about MEA. I doubt there would some huge fallout and this happens. Again, you're assuming Ryder is not popular though...I disagree. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 5, 2017 18:47:58 GMT
The problem with this idea is a 'reboot' of this nature would have many of the same problems of Andromeda. 'Weak' story 'weak' cast. They'd likely have to start over from scratch almost entirely....again.
As far as it goes i wanna continue the story as my Ryder(s). Robert is my favorite character I've done , but if they do do another protag it has to continue the storylines started in Andromeda.
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Post by derrame on Aug 5, 2017 18:57:04 GMT
i hope we have a new ME game, made by Edmonton and good as the trilogy
just learn from the mistakes in MEA and hopefully the next game is not the same
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Post by bigbad on Aug 5, 2017 19:15:39 GMT
I could go either way on sticking with the same crew and protagonist. But I definitely don't want to see the game set in the Heleus Cluster if it means another story centered around the Kett, Angarans, and Remnant/Jardaan. I have essentially zero interest in any of those species, which is truly a first for me when it comes to Bioware games.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 5, 2017 19:21:57 GMT
Again, this is all assuming that Ryder's popularity is on the same level as Hawke, Shepard, Revan and The Warden. The reception of Ryder and the inability to really care for the character or make them their own was another point many critics disliked about MEA. I doubt there would some huge fallout and this happens. Again, you're assuming Ryder is not popular though...I disagree. Im going by what MEA was gigged on in the reviews and not being able to relate/care for Ryder was one of them. Even the Reviewers didnt say that about Revan, Hawke, Warden, or Shepard.... |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 19:32:30 GMT
Again, you're assuming Ryder is not popular though...I disagree. Im going by what MEA was gigged on in the reviews and not being able to relate/care for Ryder was one of them. Reviewers didnt say that about Revan, Hawke, Warden, or Shepard.... Most reviews criticized the general story, game pacing and animations/performance issues...some ridiculously hyperbolic. I didn't see more criticism on Ryder than I did in Shepard when the first Mass Effect came out. It's at a disadvantage in that some compare three games worth of narrative development against one game. |
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Post by fchopin on Aug 5, 2017 20:06:31 GMT
I would not be interested with a continuation of the Ryders, i do not think i would buy the game as that was the worst thing in MEA.
A new story with different pc and companions i think i would buy.
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