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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 23:17:26 GMT
Yeah, again, more of your usual nonsense...not unexpected Well, Ryder remains a socially awkward loser for the entire 10-hour demo, and that's not going make anyone want to play any more. Bioware could have potentially mitigated this problem if female Ryder actually looked like her attractive model counterpart (instead of a buggy-eyed oddity). "Nobody fucks down, they fuck up, or across" - and when we're dealing with a fantasy world where banging aliens is one of the developer's main selling points... Why is it that Scott looked like the model he was based on but Sara wasnt? Almost as if Bioware went out of their way to "tone down" Sara's beauty but didnt with Scott. |
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Post by OrbitalWings on Aug 6, 2017 23:19:21 GMT
Honestly I feel like it's going to have to be Ryder or race-selection for the next game.
Ryder and Shepard are such polar opposites in their experience & background at the start of their respective games; any new human protagonist would have to exist somewhere on a spectrum between the two and probably just feel like a weaker version of either. Experienced soldier and freshfaced newcomer are both decent archetypes to follow the adventures of - 'kinda experienced but not that much' doesn't have that hook.
However, if the character's race was up to player choice, that creates a different gimmick to make the experience interesting. Lots has been made of how the Inquisitor doesn't feel as solid a character as Hawke, but on the other hand, Hawke can't be a qunari...
As for the plot of the game itself, I feel like BioWare's definitely got themselves in a bit of a corner - risk continuing Andromeda, or try to squirm out of it only to fall right into the issue of how do you do a non-Andromeda non-ME3-ending-retconning game that isn't a prequel?
Honestly my two main preferences for the future of Mass Effect are these...
1) Andromeda sequel, Ryder as protagonist, continue the story and learn from the MEA feedback
2) New Milky Way set game, protagonist race selection, set ~50 years after ME3 and handwave the endings (Shepard defeated the Reapers, no one knows exactly what happened, Synthesis ignored as factoring it in would be infinitely complicated)
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Post by suikoden on Aug 6, 2017 23:33:28 GMT
Well, Ryder remains a socially awkward loser for the entire 10-hour demo, and that's not going make anyone want to play any more. Bioware could have potentially mitigated this problem if female Ryder actually looked like her attractive model counterpart (instead of a buggy-eyed oddity). "Nobody fucks down, they fuck up, or across" - and when we're dealing with a fantasy world where banging aliens is one of the developer's main selling points... You have no legitimate points to make until you finish the game...sorry, just the way it is. Your empty screeds will remain just that until you correct this... Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 6, 2017 23:44:02 GMT
You have no legitimate points to make until you finish the game...sorry, just the way it is. Your empty screeds will remain just that until you correct this... Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). Empty, shallow, untethered...but I do enjoy you embarrassing yourself. So, please, continue... |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 6, 2017 23:46:56 GMT
You have no legitimate points to make until you finish the game...sorry, just the way it is. Your empty screeds will remain just that until you correct this... Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). If you did watch the playthrough then you should know that Ryder gets respect as the game goes on. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2017 23:54:27 GMT
I'm not saying Shepard is a two bit hero. Nor am i saying he isn't popular. He clearly is. Hell i enjoyed playing Shepard immensely. Just saying i prefer Ryder from a character and role playing sense. I think in general, video games represent an escape from reality for players, and along those lines, they prefer to play the archetype heroes that they'll never be in real life. That's why people love Shepard - whereas Ryder is more of a common man/woman, who also happens to be a complete, socially awkward loser that nobody respects. It's no surprise that people dislike the character. Then when the shit do I get a planet named after me? |
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 6, 2017 23:57:00 GMT
You have no legitimate points to make until you finish the game...sorry, just the way it is. Your empty screeds will remain just that until you correct this... Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). Out of curiosty if the first 10 hrs were amazing, but the last 90 were shit your reaction would be what? For the record, my first play through was 60ish hrs give or take a few for being idle. So, they didn't even come close to a 100 hr game. There's this whole thing called pacing. You shouldn't throw all your eggs in one basket in the first 10 hrs. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 7, 2017 0:05:13 GMT
You have no legitimate points to make until you finish the game...sorry, just the way it is. Your empty screeds will remain just that until you correct this... Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). wish someone had given CDPR that advice. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 7, 2017 0:10:07 GMT
Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). wish someone had given CDPR that advice. Why? The game printed money for CDPR and won many GOTY awards as well as high review scores. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 7, 2017 0:12:22 GMT
Staying on topic, the only way I could deal with Ryder in a hypothetical MEA2 is if it takes place 10 years later. That way Ryder is older, hardened by experience, and less....teenager like in his/her dialog and personality.
Also Bioware would need tp write in new companions that are more akin to the ME2 squad.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 7, 2017 0:14:27 GMT
wish someone had given CDPR that advice. Why? The game printed money for CDPR and won many GOTY awards as well as high review scores. its first ten hours or so is boring as piss (imo) White Orchard is somehow worse then the Hinterlands and as far as i can tell the game does not get really good until Novigrad. And gaaawwwd dreading going back to skellige. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 7, 2017 0:16:32 GMT
Do awards really matter? I remember people decrying DAI getting awards, saying it is an example of corrupt games media.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 7, 2017 0:16:42 GMT
Staying on topic, the only way I could deal with Ryder in a hypothetical MEA2 is if it takes place 10 years later. That way Ryder is older, hardened by experience, and less....teenager like in his/her dialog and personality. i have mixed feelings on this. I think a five year break wouldn't be a bad time to give Ryder and the initiative time to grow...but i kinda want the kett to strike back in the Dlc. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 7, 2017 0:24:16 GMT
Staying on topic, the only way I could deal with Ryder in a hypothetical MEA2 is if it takes place 10 years later. That way Ryder is older, hardened by experience, and less....teenager like in his/her dialog and personality. Also Bioware would need tp write in new companions that are more akin to the ME2 squad. Actually I would like a Ryder that's gone into his/her 30's. |
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Post by Serza on Aug 7, 2017 0:26:23 GMT
Y'know, when I first read the thread name, I started to think... ...then suddenly, my AK had the magazine removed, and I was being smacked over the head with it. ...something about the presence of "if" if the holes in the walls are to be trusted. Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). wish someone had given CDPR that advice. Or the one that says "Make a game with interesting story and characters" That one's my favorite. Do awards really matter? I remember people decrying DAI getting awards, saying it is an example of corrupt games media. Then the same must be true of the Witcher, right? ...I'll be waiting here. For the hypocrisy. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 0:34:03 GMT
Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). Empty, shallow, untethered...but I do enjoy you embarrassing yourself. So, please, continue... Nah, I don't feel the need to mock other people. I mock the game itself. Much more satisfying. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 0:35:52 GMT
Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). If you did watch the playthrough then you should know that Ryder gets respect as the game goes on. Ryder is not an archetype hero. You can be a loser and still gain respect. Most people would rather play as a winner. Sam's the hero, anyways. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 0:37:18 GMT
Nah that's bullshit. If you make a 100 hour game, make sure the first 10 aren't complete garbage. "Maybe the next 90 won't be shit?" And "But it gets better!" Isn't what you should be going for as devs when you're making a game. I have watched a complete 5 hour play-through that skips as much of the awful bits as possible - so essentially, the meatiest parts of the game, story-wise. And it's incredibly boring and bland. The villain is awful. The writing remains immature throughout. The ending blows. This is my opinion. And you might disagree, but honestly, why should you care? It's a 4. And I saved myself $70 (or rather, $19.99). Out of curiosty if the first 10 hrs were amazing, but the last 90 were shit your reaction would be what? For the record, my first play through was 60ish hrs give or take a few for being idle. So, they didn't even come close to a 100 hr game. There's this whole thing called pacing. You shouldn't throw all your eggs in one basket in the first 10 hrs. Show me a game that's amazing for ten hours and shit for the next 90. They don't exist. |
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Post by cobalt72 on Aug 7, 2017 0:40:18 GMT
The Fable games for Xbox consoles. Starts off promising get stale and boring as they go on
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Post by smilesja on Aug 7, 2017 0:40:24 GMT
If you did watch the playthrough then you should know that Ryder gets respect as the game goes on. Ryder is not an archetype hero. You can be a loser and still gain respect. Most people would rather play as a winner. Sam's the hero, anyways. And Ryder does become a hero. The only thing SAM did was help Ryder interface with Remenant technology. Ryder help establish relations with the Angara gathered his allies and saves the initiative. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 7, 2017 0:42:02 GMT
Empty, shallow, untethered...but I do enjoy you embarrassing yourself. So, please, continue... Nah, I don't feel the need to mock other people. I mock the game itself. Much more satisfying. Watching you mock yourself? Equally satisfying... |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 0:44:40 GMT
Ryder is not an archetype hero. You can be a loser and still gain respect. Most people would rather play as a winner. Sam's the hero, anyways. And Ryder does become a hero. The only thing SAM did was help Ryder interface with Remenant technology. Ryder help establish relations with the Angara gathered his allies and saves the initiative. You don't understand the point I'm trying to make. Ryder is not a typical hero. Ryder begins the game as a doormat that gets a free job because of a parent. That's not an enticing hero for many people looking from escapism and fantasy. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 7, 2017 0:47:43 GMT
And Ryder does become a hero. The only thing SAM did was help Ryder interface with Remenant technology. Ryder help establish relations with the Angara gathered his allies and saves the initiative. You don't understand the point I'm trying to make. Ryder is not a typical hero. Ryder begins the game as a doormat that gets a free job because of a parent. That's not an enticing hero for many people looking from escapism and fantasy. And Ryder proves to be a hero. Ryder undergoes struggles and taunts by the villain that they're nothing without SAM. But Ryder proves otherwise. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 0:47:52 GMT
Nah, I don't feel the need to mock other people. I mock the game itself. Much more satisfying. Watching you mock yourself? Equally satisfying... I'm going to ignore you now because you're clearly just looking for a fight and I don't want to derail this thread as I like it a lot. Don't forgot to preorder Jason's book! |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 7, 2017 0:47:57 GMT
And Ryder does become a hero. The only thing SAM did was help Ryder interface with Remenant technology. Ryder help establish relations with the Angara gathered his allies and saves the initiative. You don't understand the point I'm trying to make. Ryder is not a typical hero. Ryder begins the game as a doormat that gets a free job because of a parent. That's not an enticing hero for many people looking from escapism and fantasy. I'm far more attracted to common human heroes. People with small or disadvantaged people who rise tov the occasion. |
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