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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
Of course, that would require them to get that procedural-generation thing working again, to give us someplace to land. And that still leaves all the planets without such missions. Unless we just cut everything we have no reason to land on, or make those planets completely useless. I could go either way with that. Hopefully not, it would require less side missions but the quality of them would hopefully improve, so that should clear up the issue of fetch quests. Or it could involve a very small amount of procedural generation with the planets, but I view procedural generation as nice in theory but not so much in practice, because after while things start looking waaaaay to familiar. Hey, if we went back to the KotOR starmap I'd be just fine.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 7, 2017 21:21:40 GMT
Define "short term". The ODSY drive has been around long enough to build five arks (at least) the Nexus, and miniaturize the drive small enough to fit on the Tempest. That tells me it's been around for a while. So these are the first ships built with the drive, a prototype or two excepted. In the months between AI departure and ME3, no doubt there would be a few more. But what would those ships have changed that we would have noticed? I got nothing. What have you got? Colony ships heading out where the Reapers can't track them. Quarians not having civilians on their ships while laying siege to Rannoch. Military ships that don't need relays to travel to other worlds. Keep in mind the AI was around for over a decade. Plenty of time for other ships to be built.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2017 21:36:47 GMT
A lot of the Andromeda setup should really be a game changer for ME3 though, particularly the new drive and the ability to travel to other galaxies, which makes the reaper's cycle more than just obsolete. In a Milky Way that can no longer be regarded as an isolated system it makes them downright foolish (even more so than it already was before ME:A). Andromeda's a problem for the Reapers whether or not the current cycle can get there. OTOH, the Reapers never made any sense in the first place, so we probably shouldn't start worrying about this now.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 21:41:37 GMT
So these are the first ships built with the drive, a prototype or two excepted. In the months between AI departure and ME3, no doubt there would be a few more. But what would those ships have changed that we would have noticed? I got nothing. What have you got? Colony ships heading out where the Reapers can't track them. Where would that be? As far as the Citadel races were concerned, there were swaths of TMW yet unexplored, but they could have also been teeming with reapers. So - what? The quarians would have dumped their civilians elsewhere? Because ODSY? They never really did need relays to travel to other worlds - just someplace to discharge. Also, bigger fuel tanks. The ODSYs aren't some sort of miracle cure that solves problems TMW residents are having. They allow you to to cross dark space since you don't need to discharge.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 7, 2017 21:50:35 GMT
So these are the first ships built with the drive, a prototype or two excepted. In the months between AI departure and ME3, no doubt there would be a few more. But what would those ships have changed that we would have noticed? I got nothing. What have you got? Colony ships heading out where the Reapers can't track them. Quarians not having civilians on their ships while laying siege to Rannoch. Military ships that don't need relays to travel to other worlds. Keep in mind the AI was around for over a decade. Plenty of time for other ships to be built. I don't see what you're getting at with the quarians. A few military ships with the ODSY drive aren't all that useful, stategically. Moving between clusters isn't a game changer when it takes months to cover what a primary relay can do instantaneously. I suppose there's time over the entire course of ME3 for such a voyage to be completed, but to what end? The main effect would be to lock your forces up in transit. You can't threaten Reaper rear areas and bases because they don't have any. And the colony ships you mention aren't any different from the AI itself.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 7, 2017 21:54:43 GMT
Colony ships heading out where the Reapers can't track them. Where would that be? As far as the Citadel races were concerned, there were swaths of TMW yet unexplored, but they could have also been teeming with reapers. Could be, but the Milky Way was settled along densely-populated clusters around relays. Plus, ships cannot be tracked once they jump to FTL. You could turn on the ODSY drive, head in a direction, the the Reapers will never find you. HEck you could hang out in the dark between the stars and just hibernate a couple centuries. Yes, exactly. The only thing more stupid than putting cannons on your schoolbus, is taking the schoolbus into battle WITH KIDS IN IT! And that need for a place to discharge greatly reduces where they can operate. Again, densely populated clusters along the relay paths.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 7, 2017 21:54:47 GMT
There is no way that BioWare could ever do that without setting canon, They already have
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:04:44 GMT
Where would that be? As far as the Citadel races were concerned, there were swaths of TMW yet unexplored, but they could have also been teeming with reapers. Could be, but the Milky Way was settled along densely-populated clusters around relays. Plus, ships cannot be tracked once they jump to FTL. You could turn on the ODSY drive, head in a direction, the the Reapers will never find you. HEck you could hang out in the dark between the stars and just hibernate a couple centuries. Okay - but how would that have changed anything else? I hope you're not suggesting they could have built enough ODSY ships w/ cryo pods to accommodate the entire population - especially after having argued so vehemently against the notion that they could have even built the Nexus and Arks. Unless you're traveling at ftl, the reapers would prolly find you. I don't believe you can just zoom off at ftl speed without a specific destination. You haven't explained how ODSY drives would change the scenario. The quarian's goal was always to re-take Rannoch, as it would take them centuries to adapt to any other environment. They certainly could start exploring more parts of TMW, and perhaps did. But none of this would make an appreciable difference to TMW during Shepard's time.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 7, 2017 22:27:04 GMT
Have a great rest of your day, anonymous internet troll, you certainly earned it. @scepsis it's worth noting that for all of suikoden's 1,390 posts (at current count), the vast majority of which are generally repeating the same three topics: 1) ME:A was a financial failure 2) ME:A was a critical failure (and he himself gives it a personal rating of 4/10) 3) It's so bad EA have canned the game and will never release DLC for it He has only ever played the gated ten hour preview released in March, before the game came out. Make of that what you will.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:32:26 GMT
Have a great rest of your day, anonymous internet troll, you certainly earned it. @scepsis it's worth noting that for all of suikoden's 1,390 posts (at current count), the vast majority of which are generally repeating the same three topics: 1) ME:A was a financial failure 2) ME:A was a critical failure (and he himself gives it a personal rating of 4/10) 3) It's so bad EA have canned the game and will never release DLC for it He has only ever played the gated ten hour preview released in March, before the game came out. Make of that what you will. He is either an extremely dedicated troll or unstably hell bent on shitting on every single post that paints Andromeda in the slightest positive light. I will deal with him and other trolls here like I always do, by avoiding him and his ilk in the future. EZ PZ.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 7, 2017 22:38:43 GMT
Just wondering. If a player plays through the game only completing the main missions to move the story forward, not talking to any characters, would that person be criticized for making the same comments as someone who hasn't completed the game?
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Post by vonuber on Aug 7, 2017 22:41:32 GMT
Just wondering. If a player plays through the game only completing the main missions to move the story forward, not talking to any characters, would that person be criticized for making the same comments as someone who hasn't completed the game? I would guess it depends on what they are saying in their posts? It is a valid playthrough after all.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 7, 2017 22:41:51 GMT
Have a great rest of your day, anonymous internet troll, you certainly earned it. @scepsis it's worth noting that for all of suikoden's 1,390 posts (at current count), the vast majority of which are generally repeating the same three topics: 1) ME:A was a financial failure 2) ME:A was a critical failure (and he himself gives it a personal rating of 4/10) 3) It's so bad EA have canned the game and will never release DLC for it He has only ever played the gated ten hour preview released in March, before the game came out. Make of that what you will. @scepsis don't waste your time arguing with suikoden, you have a better time debating a brick wall. Suikoden is incapable of accepting reality that the facts say that he is 100% wrong and now he is hateful troll who claims to love Mass Effect but wants to see the Mass Effect franchise die because ME:A wasn't custom made to fit his whims and his alone. He also plays the victim say that everybody who calls out his bullshit and/or doesn't 100% agree with him is a bully or a lynch mob or whatever his excuse of the day is so he doesn't get banned as the hateful and worthless troll he is.
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@scepsis it's worth noting that for all of suikoden's 1,390 posts (at current count), the vast majority of which are generally repeating the same three topics: 1) ME:A was a financial failure 2) ME:A was a critical failure (and he himself gives it a personal rating of 4/10) 3) It's so bad EA have canned the game and will never release DLC for it He has only ever played the gated ten hour preview released in March, before the game came out. Make of that what you will. @scepsis don't waste your time arguing with suikoden, you have a better time debating a brick wall. Suikoden is incapable of accepting reality that the facts say that he is 100% wrong and now he is hateful troll who claims to love Mass Effect but wants to see the Mass Effect franchise die because ME:A wasn't custom made to fit his whims and his alone. He also plays the victim say that everybody who calls out his bullshit and/or doesn't 100% agree with him is a bully or a lynch mob or whatever his excuse of the day is so he doesn't get banned as the hateful and worthless troll he is. Hell at least the brick wall doesn't talk back. 😂
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:47:01 GMT
@scepsis it's worth noting that for all of suikoden's 1,390 posts (at current count), the vast majority of which are generally repeating the same three topics: 1) ME:A was a financial failure 2) ME:A was a critical failure (and he himself gives it a personal rating of 4/10) 3) It's so bad EA have canned the game and will never release DLC for it He has only ever played the gated ten hour preview released in March, before the game came out. Make of that what you will. @scepsis don't waste your time arguing with suikoden, you have a better time debating a brick wall. Suikoden is incapable of accepting reality that the facts say that he is 100% wrong and now he is hateful troll who claims to love Mass Effect but wants to see the Mass Effect franchise die because ME:A wasn't custom made to fit his whims and his alone. He also plays the victim say that everybody who calls out his bullshit and/or doesn't 100% agree with him is a bully or a lynch mob or whatever his excuse of the day is so he doesn't get banned as the hateful and worthless troll he is. I wouldn't worry. I won't be acknowledging his existence anymore for anything but the purpose of derision.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 22:58:47 GMT
84/154 for PC 107/197 for PS4 39/109 for Xbox Identical rank percentage wise on PC and PS4 - higher ranking on Xbox, the version with the least reviews, least games released, smallest sample size... And no, not "significantly better" on the PC list. It's like you didn't even go over any of this and just posted the narrative in your head, fed on by the likes of Andromeda apologists on this forum. It's a bad game because all of the other games with similar scores are also bad games. You could argue the Xbox version isn't bad based on its placing - but seeing it has the smallest sample size and is the least popular console to play the game on, I'd argue the PC and PS4 statistics trump it. And there is is, the inevitable devolution into personal attacks. You have finally made your motives clear. You are seeking a phyrric victory driven by basal instincts that feed upon on some form of internalized rage/hate. I suspected as much, but your fallacious attacks now clinch my theory into fact Regardless, I certainly appreciate you asserting motive to my posting and assuming that I am a blathering idiot fed by meaningless likes on a forum. Thanks dawg! You da real MVP! How dare anyone enjoy ME:A, amiright fam? ME:A is a bad game to you and a great one to me and in this aspect and no amount of frankly meaningless, straight up rankings that compare apples to oranges andlack statistical averaging, ignoring my points and data, or amount of personal attacks flung around with reckless abandon will change that. The personal feelings of hack journalists that had to work in games because no one in there right mind would hire them in the real world won't sway anyone nor do they make whatever argument that you want to furiously type out and less inane. You don't understand the opinion is not fact and frankly, you never will. You wanna make personal attacks, then please feel free, especially if the mods allow it, but don't do it to me as I refuse to engage those that play their arguments straight out of the logical fallacy playbook. Feel good to earn that phyrric victory? Have a great rest of your day, anonymous internet troll, you certainly earned it. I didn't make any personal attacks. I merely called you out on how you hadn't actually looked over the statistics you were referencing because you chose to utilize what you thought was accurate without actually checking before you posted. Mass Effect is a bad game to me, yes. The games that scored on the level that Andromeda scored on metacritic, are bad games. Andromeda isn't some random outlier that is somehow above those games. It is every bit as bad, mediocre, meh - whatever you want to use to describe it. To me it's bad. To you, it's clearly great. Are those other games that scored the same also great? Good even? Then there's a lot of great/good games out there. Then again, perhaps I just have higher standards. Maybe that's all this boils down to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 23:03:47 GMT
And there is is, the inevitable devolution into personal attacks. You have finally made your motives clear. You are seeking a phyrric victory driven by basal instincts that feed upon on some form of internalized rage/hate. I suspected as much, but your fallacious attacks now clinch my theory into fact Regardless, I certainly appreciate you asserting motive to my posting and assuming that I am a blathering idiot fed by meaningless likes on a forum. Thanks dawg! You da real MVP! How dare anyone enjoy ME:A, amiright fam? ME:A is a bad game to you and a great one to me and in this aspect and no amount of frankly meaningless, straight up rankings that compare apples to oranges andlack statistical averaging, ignoring my points and data, or amount of personal attacks flung around with reckless abandon will change that. The personal feelings of hack journalists that had to work in games because no one in there right mind would hire them in the real world won't sway anyone nor do they make whatever argument that you want to furiously type out and less inane. You don't understand the opinion is not fact and frankly, you never will. You wanna make personal attacks, then please feel free, especially if the mods allow it, but don't do it to me as I refuse to engage those that play their arguments straight out of the logical fallacy playbook. Feel good to earn that phyrric victory? Have a great rest of your day, anonymous internet troll, you certainly earned it. I didn't make any personal attacks. I merely called you out on how you hadn't actually looked over the statistics you were referencing because you chose to utilize what you thought was accurate without actually checking before you posted. Mass Effect is a bad game to me, yes. The games that scored on the level that Andromeda scored on metacritic, are bad games. Andromeda isn't some random outlier that is somehow above those games. It is every bit as bad, mediocre, meh - whatever you want to use to describe it. To me it's bad. To you, it's clearly great. Are those other games that scored the same also great? Good even? Then there's a lot of great/good games out there. Then again, perhaps I just have higher standards. Maybe that's all this boils down to. Phyrric Victory (?) Achieved! ibb.co/irwhcFOh look, the good ol' attack on one's standards ad hominem detritus. Literally zero self-awareness.
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Post by shechinah on Aug 7, 2017 23:24:38 GMT
I didn't make any personal attacks. I merely called you out on how you hadn't actually looked over the statistics you were referencing because you chose to utilize what you thought was accurate without actually checking before you posted. Mass Effect is a bad game to me, yes. The games that scored on the level that Andromeda scored on metacritic, are bad games. Andromeda isn't some random outlier that is somehow above those games. It is every bit as bad, mediocre, meh - whatever you want to use to describe it. To me it's bad. To you, it's clearly great. And no, not "significantly better" on the PC list. It's like you didn't even go over any of this and just posted the narrative in your head, fed on by the likes of Andromeda apologists on this forum.Are those other games that scored the same also great? Good even? Then there's a lot of great/good games out there. Then again, perhaps I just have higher standards. Maybe that's all this boils down to.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 23:36:51 GMT
It is generally considered a good idea to actually read a chain of posts before jumping in. If you did, you would've seen early on that my dear friend here is full of shit. I won't fault you for it, but you should consider doing so next time.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 7, 2017 23:37:58 GMT
suikoden when will learn that when you call people tasteless, blind, and apologists (FTR depending the context that can be a BIG insult) that those are considered insults? Why don't you just insult someone's family and get it over with? You don't have high standards you have IMPOSSIBLE standards and therefor you will never be happy. I doubt that even if ME:A met all of standards, you still would be bitching and moaning about how "bad" of a game it is because it wasn't made to fit your tastes and whims and yours alone.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 23:37:59 GMT
I didn't make any personal attacks. I merely called you out on how you hadn't actually looked over the statistics you were referencing because you chose to utilize what you thought was accurate without actually checking before you posted. Mass Effect is a bad game to me, yes. The games that scored on the level that Andromeda scored on metacritic, are bad games. Andromeda isn't some random outlier that is somehow above those games. It is every bit as bad, mediocre, meh - whatever you want to use to describe it. To me it's bad. To you, it's clearly great. And no, not "significantly better" on the PC list. It's like you didn't even go over any of this and just posted the narrative in your head, fed on by the likes of Andromeda apologists on this forum.Are those other games that scored the same also great? Good even? Then there's a lot of great/good games out there. Then again, perhaps I just have higher standards. Maybe that's all this boils down to.That's just the truth. He posted what he thought was true without checking the facts. People on the forum gave him support and attacked me in the process. I have higher standards than most people when it comes to games. Also not an attack. Read his post, that's an attack.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 7, 2017 23:41:32 GMT
suikoden when will learn that when you call people tasteless, blind, and apologists that those are considered insults? Why don't you just insult someone's family and get it over with? I haven't called anyone blind or tasteless. I said that: a) There's a lot of apologists for Andromeda on this forum. Here's the definition, because you seem to think it's a bad word - "a person who offers an argument in defense of something controversial" - saying Andromeda is a great game, is controversial. Not sure how that's debatable. I have higher standards - I never said higher standards than anyone in particular, just in general. Also not sure how that's a bad thing. c) You are angry because you were banned for comments you directed at me. Just drop it and move on.
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That's just the truth. He posted what he thought was true without checking the facts. People on the forum gave him support and attacked me in the process. I have higher standards than most people when it comes to games. Also not an attack. Read his post, that's an attack. Personal Attack: Noun. (plural personal attacks) Making of an abusive remark on or relating to one's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments.Personal Attacks Made:1. You claim I don't read the material. I do, you just provide nothing convincing. 2. Claims I do it because of a "narrative in my head." Oh the irony.3. Claims I do it "for the likes." Lolwut? Is this place Reddit? 4. Claims my defense of ME:A is only do to my standards (That you obviously regard as low).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 23:55:55 GMT
suikoden Also, never once did I post without checking the facts. The truth is... I find your facts completely irrelevant to whether or not I or many others subjectively enjoy a game and continuously referring to review scores doesn't prove jack shit. Have you forgotten that the gaming press is largely regarded as a bad joke these days?
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Post by suikoden on Aug 8, 2017 0:56:00 GMT
suikoden Also, never once did I post without checking the facts. The truth is... I find your facts completely irrelevant to whether or not I or many others subjectively enjoy a game and continuously referring to review scores doesn't prove jack shit. Have you forgotten that the gaming press is largely regarded as a bad joke these days? Facts are facts. I listed the metacritic facts that you incorrectly alluded to.
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