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Post by Iakus on Aug 9, 2017 15:09:35 GMT
More Mass Effect seems inevitable. It's an established IP and that means money. If any sort of DLC arrives before N7 Day, that says to me that they are supporting the Andromeda setting and that a sequel will follow through on that (though perhaps not quickly) If we hear squat by then, then some kind of prequel or even a reboot would be possible, but again not quickly. 2021 at the earliest (guess). At this point given how much time has passed, it would have be a HELL of a DLC. Practically a full expansion!
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Post by Vall on Aug 9, 2017 15:12:32 GMT
So run away from the problem instead of trying to solve it? I mean, they've done it before... That doesn't make it a good idea
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 9, 2017 15:24:55 GMT
Ok tell me how the posts in this article support the "journalist's" article? Oh and I use that term journalist lightly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 17:49:26 GMT
The best thing to wrap up Andromeda is to never mention it ever again and pretend it never happened. Andromeda set the stage for great things to come. You may not have enjoyed it, but bailing out on a new universe because of a bunch of Milky Way holdouts is a... mistake... to put it lightly. If you look back at ME1, it was pretty much the same thing, but worse in most if not all ways. Later games built upon it and were amazing. Same thing will happen with ME:A. most BW DLC drops 5 or 6 months after the release of the initial game right? Sure, the reason for citing N7 Day is that if that date arrives without DLC's then we can certainly put the hashtags away... August 21st to September 21st seems most likely, but November 8th is when my hope is abandoned. I would say my hope is already ground down to the bone, but cryptic dev tweets periodically heal the wounds long enough for me to wonder... But yeah, if were hear/get nothing by November, then it is indeed time to lay the hashtags to rest.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 9, 2017 18:03:56 GMT
The best thing to wrap up Andromeda is to never mention it ever again and pretend it never happened. Andromeda set the stage for great things to come. You may not have enjoyed it, but bailing out on a new universe because of a bunch of Milky Way holdouts is a... mistake... to put it lightly. ME1 is a masterpiece compared to MEA. But to be fair, I think it's a masterpiece compared to any subsequent Mass Effect games. And not simply because it was set in the Milky Way
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:10:31 GMT
Andromeda set the stage for great things to come. You may not have enjoyed it, but bailing out on a new universe because of a bunch of Milky Way holdouts is a... mistake... to put it lightly. ME1 is a masterpiece compared to MEA. But to be fair, I think it's a masterpiece compared to any subsequent Mass Effect games. And not simply because it was set in the Milky Way If I had played ME1 first instead of ME2, then I would have sold my copy of ME1 to GameStop and written off the ME franchise in its entirety. ME1 built an amazing universe, but it had the most stale cardboard cutout characters, boring overall story, and utterly failed at being fun to play. Its gameplay and mechanics are GoldenEye dated and make it an absolute hassle to trudge through anymore. 6/10 at best. I'd rather use a save editor to import choices over to ME2 & 3 than play through ME1 again.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 9, 2017 18:18:24 GMT
The best thing to wrap up Andromeda is to never mention it ever again and pretend it never happened. Andromeda set the stage for great things to come. You may not have enjoyed it, but bailing out on a new universe because of a bunch of Milky Way holdouts is a... mistake... to put it lightly. If you look back at ME1, it was pretty much the same thing, but worse in most if not all ways. Later games built upon it and were amazing. Same thing will happen with ME:A. Sure, the reason for citing N7 Day is that if that date arrives without DLC's then we can certainly put the hashtags away... August 21st to September 21st seems most likely, but November 8th is when my hope is abandoned. I would say my hope is already ground down to the bone, but cryptic dev tweets periodically heal the wounds long enough for me to wonder... But yeah, if were hear/get nothing by November, then it is indeed time to lay the hashtags to rest. The first Mass Effect was a 90 game, not a 70 game. Also, my interpretation of devs tweets is that they're milking multiplayer as long as possible.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:20:37 GMT
Andromeda set the stage for great things to come. You may not have enjoyed it, but bailing out on a new universe because of a bunch of Milky Way holdouts is a... mistake... to put it lightly. If you look back at ME1, it was pretty much the same thing, but worse in most if not all ways. Later games built upon it and were amazing. Same thing will happen with ME:A. I would say my hope is already ground down to the bone, but cryptic dev tweets periodically heal the wounds long enough for me to wonder... But yeah, if were hear/get nothing by November, then it is indeed time to lay the hashtags to rest. The first Mass Effect was a 90 game, not a 70 game. Also, my interpretation of devs tweets is that they're milking multiplayer as long as possible. ME1 was a pretty shitty game, even for its time, and the tweets are cryptic and open to interpretation. We all know that your interpretation of them will be negative. No surprise there.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 9, 2017 18:34:03 GMT
The first Mass Effect was a 90 game, not a 70 game. Also, my interpretation of devs tweets is that they're milking multiplayer as long as possible. ME1 was a pretty shitty game, even for its time, and the tweets are cryptic and open to interpretation. We all know that your interpretation of them will be negative. No surprise there. My bad, it's at 91% - www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effectIf that's bad, Andromeda's a real stinker... will probably be looked at ten years from now as one of the biggest gaming disappointments of the decade.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:35:24 GMT
ME1 was a pretty shitty game, even for its time, and the tweets are cryptic and open to interpretation. We all know that your interpretation of them will be negative. No surprise there. My bad, it's at 91% - www.metacritic.com/game/xbox-360/mass-effectIf that's bad, Andromeda's a real stinker... will probably be looked at ten years from now as one of the biggest gaming disappointments of the decade. I'm not gonna waste my time arguing against mind projection fallacy.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 9, 2017 18:38:37 GMT
I'm not gonna waste my time arguing against mind projection fallacy. Just saying the first Mass Effect was critically acclaimed. Always odd when I see people put down the trilogy to prop up Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:39:30 GMT
I'm not gonna waste my time arguing against mind projection fallacy. Just saying the first Mass Effect was critically acclaimed. Always odd when I see people put down the trilogy to prop up Andromeda. ME2 and 3 are fucking amazing games. ME1, not so much. YMMV. Not putting down the OT to prop up anything, tbh.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:40:59 GMT
The best thing to wrap up Andromeda is to never mention it ever again and pretend it never happened. That's exactly how I felt about DA2, but alas...
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Post by Iakus on Aug 9, 2017 18:46:14 GMT
ME1 is a masterpiece compared to MEA. But to be fair, I think it's a masterpiece compared to any subsequent Mass Effect games. And not simply because it was set in the Milky Way If I had played ME1 first instead of ME2, then I would have sold my copy of ME1 to GameStop and written off the ME franchise in its entirety. ME1 built an amazing universe, but it had the most stale cardboard cutout characters, boring overall story, and utterly failed at being fun to play. Its gameplay and mechanics are GoldenEye dated and make it an absolute hassle to trudge through anymore. 6/10 at best. I'd rather use a save editor to import choices over to ME2 & 3 than play through ME1 again. ME1 is the reason I bought later Mass Effect games. And why I find them to be such disappointments. I often wish Mass Effect had simply ended after the first one. I lost track of the number of times I played ME1. I haven't bothered to try a second MEA game. And I haven't been able to touch a trilogy run since ME3
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 18:47:42 GMT
If I had played ME1 first instead of ME2, then I would have sold my copy of ME1 to GameStop and written off the ME franchise in its entirety. ME1 built an amazing universe, but it had the most stale cardboard cutout characters, boring overall story, and utterly failed at being fun to play. Its gameplay and mechanics are GoldenEye dated and make it an absolute hassle to trudge through anymore. 6/10 at best. I'd rather use a save editor to import choices over to ME2 & 3 than play through ME1 again. ME1 is the reason I bought later Mass Effect games. And why I find them to be such disappointments. I often wish Mass Effect had simply ended after the first one. I lost track of the number of times I played ME1. I haven't bothered to try a second MEA game. And I haven't been able to touch a trilogy run since ME3 Obviously we will never see eye to eye, but I agree on the atrocity that was ME3's ending. I to have been unable to do a OT run since the one and only time I beat ME3.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 10, 2017 3:11:07 GMT
ME1 is the reason I bought later Mass Effect games. And why I find them to be such disappointments. I often wish Mass Effect had simply ended after the first one. I lost track of the number of times I played ME1. I haven't bothered to try a second MEA game. And I haven't been able to touch a trilogy run since ME3 Obviously we will never see eye to eye, but I agree on the atrocity that was ME3's ending. I to have been unable to do a OT run since the one and only time I beat ME3. Heh. ME3 endings don't really bother me. We were told that there would be some bittersweet moments. Not to mention Bioware did technically keep their promise of multiple endings - HEAR ME OUT.I refer to them bringing the companions story arcs to a close -which at last I counted was over 10 companions... so multiple endings. ... ...... ............ ................... That being said... Still as to the games final ending... Nothing wrong with MEHEM or JAM .
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 10, 2017 16:46:18 GMT
ME1 is a masterpiece compared to MEA. But to be fair, I think it's a masterpiece compared to any subsequent Mass Effect games. And not simply because it was set in the Milky Way If I had played ME1 first instead of ME2, then I would have sold my copy of ME1 to GameStop and written off the ME franchise in its entirety. ME1 built an amazing universe, but it had the most stale cardboard cutout characters, boring overall story, and utterly failed at being fun to play. Its gameplay and mechanics are GoldenEye dated and make it an absolute hassle to trudge through anymore. 6/10 at best. I'd rather use a save editor to import choices over to ME2 & 3 than play through ME1 again. It's funny how divided the ME fanbase is on ranking the games. I liked ME1 OK, myself, but thought that ME2 improved on a lot of stuff. ME2 made some stuff worse, yeah, but I thought ME1 was already bad in those aspects, so getting a bit worse wasn't a dealbreaker for me; if I cared about space magic and incoherent world building I wouldn't have been in the market for more ME in the first place.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 17:30:36 GMT
If I had played ME1 first instead of ME2, then I would have sold my copy of ME1 to GameStop and written off the ME franchise in its entirety. ME1 built an amazing universe, but it had the most stale cardboard cutout characters, boring overall story, and utterly failed at being fun to play. Its gameplay and mechanics are GoldenEye dated and make it an absolute hassle to trudge through anymore. 6/10 at best. I'd rather use a save editor to import choices over to ME2 & 3 than play through ME1 again. It's funny how divided the ME fanbase is on ranking the games. I liked ME1 OK, myself, but thought that ME2 improved on a lot of stuff. ME2 made some stuff worse, yeah, but I thought ME1 was already bad in those aspects, so getting a bit worse wasn't a dealbreaker for me; if I cared about space magic and incoherent world building I wouldn't have been in the market for more ME in the first place. It is, isn't it? In my experience, fans of RPG in general are the least aligned in terms of opinion on topics like this. It makes for an interesting mix of opinions.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 10, 2017 17:59:42 GMT
ME1 is the reason I bought later Mass Effect games. And why I find them to be such disappointments. I often wish Mass Effect had simply ended after the first one. I lost track of the number of times I played ME1. I haven't bothered to try a second MEA game. And I haven't been able to touch a trilogy run since ME3 Obviously we will never see eye to eye, but I agree on the atrocity that was ME3's ending. I to have been unable to do a OT run since the one and only time I beat ME3. ME2 is generally the one I have the most trouble replaying, so trilogy runs are rare for me. ME3 I can play all the time though, ending be damned. With all of its add-ons I find it the most enjoyable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 18:08:11 GMT
Obviously we will never see eye to eye, but I agree on the atrocity that was ME3's ending. I to have been unable to do a OT run since the one and only time I beat ME3. ME2 is generally the one I have the most trouble replaying, so trilogy runs are rare for me. ME3 I can play all the time though, ending be damned. With all of its add-ons I find it the most enjoyable. And I fucking loved ME2... such diversity of opinion, much discussion. Wow.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 18:31:41 GMT
Obviously we will never see eye to eye, but I agree on the atrocity that was ME3's ending. I to have been unable to do a OT run since the one and only time I beat ME3. ME2 is generally the one I have the most trouble replaying, so trilogy runs are rare for me. ME3 I can play all the time though, ending be damned. With all of its add-ons I find it the most enjoyable. On PS3, I promoted one character of each class all the way through. After completing 4, I left the last 2 classes sitting at the end of ME1 for quite awhile, since I was not keen to play ME2 again. Multiple ME1 & ME3 NG+ plays for some of them, but not ME2. Then I bought it all again on PC. With some mods and console commands to ease the pain of the some of my least liked ME2 mechanics, I've found it a bit more palatable - but still not something I especially look forward to.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 10, 2017 19:02:01 GMT
ME2 is generally the one I have the most trouble replaying, so trilogy runs are rare for me. ME3 I can play all the time though, ending be damned. With all of its add-ons I find it the most enjoyable. Even though ME1 ismy least favoirte of the 3, I still play it. Though its only the main missions. So I don't mind taking a few hours to complete a playthrough. ME2 is great. Being able to recruit enough to get through the omega 4 relay or recruit all. The suicide mission has many different scenarios for who to survive and who dies depending on what the player decides to do. ME3 has ems. Its amazing how little I can do and still get the breath scene. Or how much damage I can do and still get the breath scene. excellent. I haven't completed a trilogy run in few months since I been playing a lot of DAI lately.
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Post by abaris on Aug 10, 2017 20:43:13 GMT
ME1 was a pretty shitty game, even for its time, and the tweets are cryptic and open to interpretation. We all know that your interpretation of them will be negative. No surprise there. The players disagree with you judgment. Even on metacritic. 89 by professionals to 86 user ratings. It was still the time when Bioware catered to what the players expected and they rated the game accordingly. Begs also the question in comparison to what game of 2008 it was so "shitty".
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 10, 2017 20:56:29 GMT
BioWare already hitched its wagon to Andromeda. To do another soft reboot, or to completely ignore MEA, would be disingenuous and likely cause more harm than good. Regardless of MEA's divisive reception, it laid a foundation for a new Mass Effect experience, and BioWare should continue along that path.
I didn't expect to hear anything related to Mass Effect for at least five years, but my views have changed since Aaryn Flynn has stepped down and Casey Hudson is taking over as GM of BioWare. As I'm sure many of you know, Casey Hudson is the mastermind behind Mass Effect. I can't see him abandoning his own creation.
What I expect to happen is for BioWare to prioritize Anthem and then to ship DA4. Once those games are out in the wild, I can almost guarantee you Casey will make it a priority to revitalize Mass Effect, and he will likely take an active role in its creation. Nobody cares about Mass Effect more than he does, and I'm glad to see he's back at BioWare.
Just make Drew Karpyshyn the lead writer on MEA2, and we'll really be cooking with steam. If anything, this reevaluation of the franchise may end up actually being an advantage, rather than having the situation of BioWare's "B Team" handling their arguably most popular franchise. I'd say the future of Mass Effect may actually be a lot brighter than many realize.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 10, 2017 20:57:07 GMT
ME1 was a pretty shitty game, even for its time, and the tweets are cryptic and open to interpretation. We all know that your interpretation of them will be negative. No surprise there. The players disagree with you judgment. Even on metacritic. 89 by professionals to 86 user ratings. It was still the time when Bioware catered to what the players expected and they rated the game accordingly. Begs also the question in comparison to what game of 2008 it was so "shitty". There is no small enough form of measurement to measure how little of a fuck I give about metacritic ratings in general. Also, begging the question is fallacious.
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