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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 23:50:28 GMT
smilesja same applies to the non-coming DLC, few people will buy it. Well, technically no one will buy it because it's not coming. That save the Quarians hastag should be changed to #SaveTheQuarters for the upcoming books. You'll be right about that one griffith82 Fact: SAM's mule is a terrible character. That doesn't even make sense.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 5, 2017 23:50:35 GMT
I still think the ME3 endings did more damage to the franchise
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 23:51:42 GMT
The quote specially states "many questions fans have been asking"...it doesn't say every or all the questions. Much like Nexus Uprising answered questions regarding the Nexus and exiles.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 23:51:58 GMT
"They will focus on key characters and answer the many questions fans have been asking.” Yep, pretty clear there. No reason to phrase the announcement like that otherwise. Could see this being Mac trying to make right with the franchise, squeezing in as many answers as he can to appease those wanting DLC. He's probably been working on it non-stop since he quit twitter after essentially apologizing for the game. Right they are going to do something they've never done. Release dlc in book form. Why don't you go troll somewhere else please.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 5, 2017 23:52:41 GMT
I still think the ME3 endings did more damage to the franchise Like them or hate them the backlash did a lot of harm.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 23:57:53 GMT
"They will focus on key characters and answer the many questions fans have been asking.” Yep, pretty clear there. No reason to phrase the announcement like that otherwise. Could see this being Mac trying to make right with the franchise, squeezing in as many answers as he can to appease those wanting DLC. He's probably been working on it non-stop since he quit twitter after essentially apologizing for the game. Right they are going to do something they've never done. Release dlc in book form. Why don't you go troll somewhere else please. Just think of it as a non-interactive text adventure...
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 5, 2017 23:58:00 GMT
I still think the ME3 endings did more damage to the franchise Yep, especially the endings before the "extended cut".
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 0:13:19 GMT
Right they are going to do something they've never done. Release dlc in book form. Why don't you go troll somewhere else please. Just think of it as a non-interactive text adventure... Yeah no. I might read it but I still have doubts that this means no dlc.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 6, 2017 0:17:37 GMT
I don't know, however the gameplay is loosely tied via story; which the gameplay was amazing. I would hate to loose that if we had to get a new protagonist. In which, they would have to have a different Pathfinder or hundred or so years in the future everyone has SAM's that'll make it work if it's a new protagonist. So, that everyone can be a biotic, soldier, tech or a combination of the three. I would like a sequel, because they do have a really good base for a sequel. It make take a while, because of Anthem and DA4. I think it's more likely anyway will get Anthem 2 well before MEA2.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 0:33:36 GMT
Redeems no one? He saved the informant. Is that suppose to make it better? Shepards story was conceived of as a trilogy from the beginning. That and it would have been very difficult to continue from ME 3. Why would it be hard to continue after ME3?
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Post by Qolx on Aug 6, 2017 0:41:36 GMT
Ah so what you meant to say is 'Ryder is like an amoeba' which is an opinion. Curiously i find Ryder to be a more dynamic complicated Character then Shepard so if Ryder is 'like an amoeba', then what does that make Shepard? Shepard's character ranged from absolutely brilliant to incomprehensibly idiotic. But Shepard was the player's character throughout the OT. Ryder is a rent-a-char the player leases to ryde around the Andromethemed park with a personal tour guide (SAM). The game starts and ends the same way: Ryder is a tool. A one-size-fits-all tool for all players. The voice work completed for this tool is the stuff thousands of people will want to hear. I expect the voice actors will have a successful career in airport PSAs. They deliver their lines with the sharpness of a teaspoon. The strength and inflection on their voice work is as pleasant as an ear twist. The voice work fails to convey the sense of excitement, wonder, fear, anticipation, and all other normal human emotions. Their atrocious, faint work is made worse by the uninspired dialogue. The dialogue for the tool meets the highest quality standards for high school. It's a magnum opus of one-liners, an exquisite volume of cheesy literature. It's only bested by the tool's sidekicks. Sidekicks usually reinforce the main character and the Androbots do it very well. The sidekicks temper Ryder's blandness. Quite an amazing feat for bland sidekicks, too! The sidekicks are more consequential and important to the story than the main tool itself. They highlight just how useless this tool is because they take more initiative and are better defined in their high defitinion 1-dimension. The people who find Ryder appealing are the same kind of people who always order chicken tendies no matter which restaurant they frequent. A valid choice, of course, but it's risk averse and bland in taste. That's pretty much Ryder. A tool engineered for people who think Ikea is DIY crafting.
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Post by nachituy on Aug 6, 2017 0:42:28 GMT
Many people may still cling onto that little speck of hope that there will still be MEA SP DLC, but many people have accepted that it wont happen. However, I still believe that Bioware may not give up on the brand as a whole and even 5 years from now, we could see another ME game. If that happens, should Bioware just forget about the Ryder story and tell the story of the Andromeda Initiative through another perspective? Similar to DA where each game tells the story of the 9th Age through different heros and their different companions and different locations. Basically, should they do a soft reboot of Andromeda and try again but with a different hero/companions? Possibly fast forwarding the story 25-50 years after the MW races have settled in Heleus and ready to venture into other clusters to find new races and new threats. Thoughts? At this point i only care they can add diversity to the faces of the aliens (Asaris) for the next game, yeah that low are my expectations
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 6, 2017 0:49:23 GMT
Just think of it as a non-interactive text adventure... Yeah no. I might read it but I still have doubts that this means no dlc. Also, the fact that all the books are prequels. It's not really advancing the story at all, except add lore. We know that Cora is going to be successful in her mission, so what's the point of reading it, exactly? Assuming that Annihilation still means "The Lost Ark" book, it's going to support the dlc for it; which is why I think it got delayed. Or at least it's been implied that its been delayed. It's a hell of a lot easier to do a book then it is to make a dlc/game.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 0:52:02 GMT
Redeems no one? He saved the informant. Is that suppose to make it better? Shepards story was conceived of as a trilogy from the beginning. That and it would have been very difficult to continue from ME 3. Why would it be hard to continue after ME3? Because Shepard's story is done.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 0:56:10 GMT
We need to get back on subject which is about the "what if" scenario that there is a MEA2. We can discuss the possibilities of DLC or Shepard vs Ryder categories in other threads.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 1:09:01 GMT
Because Shepard's story is done. And why would that prevent a game from taking place after the events of ME3?
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 1:11:45 GMT
Because Shepard's story is done. And why would that prevent a game from taking place after the events of ME3? Because we need to leave the MW behind. It's done, the way forward is Andromeda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2017 1:13:49 GMT
Shepards story was conceived of as a trilogy from the beginning. That and it would have been very difficult to continue from ME 3. Why would it be hard to continue after ME3? Because of all the vastly different outcomes that have to be accounted for. Not just what ending was chosen, but also things like the fate of the geth, krogan, quarians, rachni, etc. Not saying it is impossible, but it would be a huge challenge.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 1:21:34 GMT
Because we need to leave the MW behind. It's done, the way forward is Andromeda. Is the Milky Way done? I like to see it being rebuilt. Go see the other 99% that hasn't been explored.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 1:26:00 GMT
Because of all the vastly different outcomes that have to be accounted for. Not just what ending was chosen, but also things like the fate of the geth, krogan, quarians, rachni, etc. Not saying it is impossible, but it would be a huge challenge. It wouldn't that huge of a challenge. Bioware can ignore choices like they did in the trilogy. The other thing is the guy did say the details have changed over time. That could be anything within the trilogy. With the geth, I would have it where they're always destroyed. If it wasn't for the reaper interference, the quarians would have defeated them.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 6, 2017 1:27:56 GMT
Ah so what you meant to say is 'Ryder is like an amoeba' which is an opinion. Curiously i find Ryder to be a more dynamic complicated Character then Shepard so if Ryder is 'like an amoeba', then what does that make Shepard? Shepard's character ranged from absolutely brilliant to incomprehensibly idiotic. But Shepard was the player's character throughout the OT. Ryder is a rent-a-char the player leases to ryde around the Andromethemed park with a personal tour guide (SAM). The game starts and ends the same way: Ryder is a tool. A one-size-fits-all tool for all players. The voice work completed for this tool is the stuff thousands of people will want to hear. I expect the voice actors will have a successful career in airport PSAs. They deliver their lines with the sharpness of a teaspoon. The strength and inflection on their voice work is as pleasant as an ear twist. The voice work fails to convey the sense of excitement, wonder, fear, anticipation, and all other normal human emotions. Their atrocious, faint work is made worse by the uninspired dialogue. The dialogue for the tool meets the highest quality standards for high school. It's a magnum opus of one-liners, an exquisite volume of cheesy literature. It's only bested by the tool's sidekicks. Sidekicks usually reinforce the main character and the Androbots do it very well. The sidekicks temper Ryder's blandness. Quite an amazing feat for bland sidekicks, too! The sidekicks are more consequential and important to the story than the main tool itself. They highlight just how useless this tool is because they take more initiative and are better defined in their high defitinion 1-dimension. The people who find Ryder appealing are the same kind of people who always order chicken tendies no matter which restaurant they frequent. A valid choice, of course, but it's risk averse and bland in taste. That's pretty much Ryder. A tool engineered for people who think Ikea is DIY crafting. Allow me to rebutt: 1. Ryder is a better character because his RP options are better. I can control his personality with far greater precision then I ever could Shepard. 2. He is a flawed character. He is not perfect. He has to work for things. 3. Ryder is a character who grows over the course of the narrative. His flaws are things he has to work to overcome, and because of this game's roleplaying options we get to define the how and the why he does it. 4. Ryder is a very human character. He is not a caricature or superhero. He makes mistakes, gets knocked down, and then gets back up, which makes him far more sympathetic. As far as the voice acting is concerned I could see this argument with Fryda Wolf. Granted I found her quite awesome but some of her lines did come off as being a bit 'meh. But Tom Taylorson? First of all for the first time in a BW game the male voice protagonist > the female voice. And second of all he is nearly up to Jennifer Hale's very high standards. His dialogue is crisp, cool, and professional when he needs to be...and biting sarcasm if the player wnats. And the chicken nuggets metaphor...I think the mere fact we are having this argument blows that position all too hell. Ryder and Shepard are very different people. They could have given us the 'safe' and 'bland' Shepard and everyone would have been happy (me included) but instead, they went another route.
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Post by kino on Aug 6, 2017 1:33:17 GMT
Just think of it as a non-interactive text adventure... Yeah no. I might read it but I still have doubts that this means no dlc. Since all three books were most likely written, or at least close to completed, before the game released, the thought that answers from the end of the game would be contained in them is extremely doubtful.
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Post by Qolx on Aug 6, 2017 1:41:02 GMT
The merge studios, no DLC route. Everything else is wrong. Anyways, the OP wants to get this thread back on track. Let's talk about the next ME starring a brand new protagonist.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 6, 2017 1:47:18 GMT
The merge studios, no DLC route. Everything else is wrong. Anyways, the OP wants to get this thread back on track. Let's talk about the next ME starring a brand new protagonist. ...I kinda thought we were. *shrugs.* I mean debating the idea of whether we need a new protagonist or not is closely tied to the debate of whether the last one sucked or not. If the last one sucked then we do, if not, we don't. And the best and most closest comparison that Ryder has, you know to contrast with Ryder, is Shepard. To debate what worked well and what may not have worked well in order to again answer the key question of the thread. IE do we need a new protag. I don't think we did, and both of my posts are the evidence I use to that effect.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 1:48:56 GMT
Allow me to rebutt: 1. Ryder is a better character because his RP options are better. I can control his personality with far greater precision then I ever could Shepard. If that's the case, why can't my Ryder get in the stowaway's face for knocking him/her to the ground? Why can't he/she give the stowaway an earful for the crap she pulled with the escape pod? Why can't my Ryder shoot 4 letter words back at the ones who tell her/him off? Ryder comes across as a wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.
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