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1. Ryder is a better character because his RP options are better. I can control his personality with far greater precision then I ever could Shepard.

If that's the case, why can't my Ryder get in the stowaway's face for knocking him/her to the ground? Why can't he/she give the stowaway an earful for the crap she pulled with the escape pod? Why can't my Ryder shoot 4 letter words back at the ones who tell her/him off? Ryder comes across as a wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Because BioWare made all the companions vital to the plot, which is something they have been complaining about not doing in the fast.

I am not saying Andromeda is perfect. by no means is any RPG perfect in this regard. I am just saying it is better then Shepard's. Because I could not under any circumstances give Shepard a sense of humor. You want your Ryder to be an angry cummageon who throws people out the airlock for the slightest offense, I wanted my Shepard to have a sense of humor. We can't all get what we want.

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As far as the voice acting is concerned I could see this argument with Fryda Wolf. Granted I found her quite awesome but some of her lines did come off as being a bit 'meh. But Tom Taylorson? First of all for the first time in a BW game the male voice protagonist > the female voice.

Fryda rulz.
Tom droolz.

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Because BioWare made all the companions vital to the plot, which is something they have been complaining about not doing in the fast.

So they made Ryder a doormat for everyone to walk on?

You want your Ryder to be an angry cummageon who throws people out the airlock for the slightest offense,

Have I said I wanted my Ryder to throw people out the airlock for any offense?

I've said my Ryder would hand the stowaway over to Nexus security to let her explain why she used Initiative property for her personal mission while putting the pathfinder and another squadmate in danger. I have said that I would leave her on the planet and my Shepard would throw the thing in the lava.

With the cop, I would shoot him dead where he stands. My Ryder would hand him over to Nexus security to let him explain why he did what he did.

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Honestly, I think it's better in the long run if BW shelves ME for 10+ years and focuses on newer, fresher IPs. Try some new genres, maybe a RTS, a FPS, or even an RPG sports game. Rehashing old franchises gets, well, old. Come back to them later when the tech is more advanced.

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Aug 6, 2017 1:48:56 GMT themikefest said:

If that's the case, why can't my Ryder get in the stowaway's face for knocking him/her to the ground? Why can't he/she give the stowaway an earful for the crap she pulled with the escape pod? Why can't my Ryder shoot 4 letter words back at the ones who tell her/him off? Ryder comes across as a wimp who can't stand up for him/herself.

Because BioWare made all the companions vital to the plot, which is something they have been complaining about not doing in the fast.

I am not saying Andromeda is perfect. by no means is any RPG perfect in this regard. I am just saying it is better then Shepard's. Because I could not under any circumstances give Shepard a sense of humor. You want your Ryder to be an angry cummageon who throws people out the airlock for the slightest offense, I wanted my Shepard to have a sense of humor. We can't all get what we want.

man we must have played two different Shepards.....

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Aug 6, 2017 1:26:00 GMT themikefest said:

Aug 6, 2017 1:13:49 GMT Hanako Ikezawa said:

Because of all the vastly different outcomes that have to be accounted for. Not just what ending was chosen, but also things like the fate of the geth, krogan, quarians, rachni, etc.
Not saying it is impossible, but it would be a huge challenge.

It wouldn't that huge of a challenge. Bioware can ignore choices like they did in the trilogy. The other thing is the guy did say the details have changed over time. That could be anything within the trilogy.

With the geth, I would have it where they're always destroyed. If it wasn't for the reaper interference, the quarians would have defeated them.

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Because BioWare made all the companions vital to the plot, which is something they have been complaining about not doing in the fast.

I am not saying Andromeda is perfect. by no means is any RPG perfect in this regard. I am just saying it is better then Shepard's. Because I could not under any circumstances give Shepard a sense of humor. You want your Ryder to be an angry cummageon who throws people out the airlock for the slightest offense, I wanted my Shepard to have a sense of humor. We can't all get what we want.

man we must have played two different Shepards.....

We all must have because as much as I love my Sheps funny they ain't.

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Aug 6, 2017 2:00:36 GMT @pasquale said:

As far as the voice acting is concerned I could see this argument with Fryda Wolf. Granted I found her quite awesome but some of her lines did come off as being a bit 'meh. But Tom Taylorson? First of all for the first time in a BW game the male voice protagonist > the female voice.

Fryda rulz.
Tom droolz.

PS: Why are you wasting time on trolls?

You know, in all honesty, this is the first time I think BioWare nailed it with the voice actors. This is the first time I've played a female protag in a BioWare game and Fryda did an amazing job. Both Fryda and Taylorson fucking knocked it out of the park.

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Aug 6, 2017 2:00:36 GMT @pasquale said:

Fryda rulz.
Tom droolz.

PS: Why are you wasting time on trolls?

You know, in all honesty, this is the first time I think BioWare nailed it with the voice actors. This is the first time I've played a female protag in a BioWare game and Fryda did an amazing job. Both Fryda and Taylorson fucking knocked it out of the park.

Hale's Shepard is

I just can't say enough good things about her performance throughout.

Meer's not so much, imho. I really did enjoy his Vorcha (and other) work, however.

And Fryda's Ryder is great. I have yet to experience Tom's.

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Aug 6, 2017 2:37:34 GMT @pasquale said:

You know, in all honesty, this is the first time I think BioWare nailed it with the voice actors. This is the first time I've played a female protag in a BioWare game and Fryda did an amazing job. Both Fryda and Taylorson fucking knocked it out of the park.

Hale's Shepard is

I just can't say enough good things about her performance throughout.

Meer's not so much, imho. I really did enjoy his Vorcha (and other) work, however.

I still play M Shep from time to time. Tali Romance mainly but I really love Hale's Shep. She just nails it IMHO.

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Aug 6, 2017 2:25:53 GMT griffith82 said:

man we must have played two different Shepards.....

We all must have because as much as I love my Sheps funny they ain't.

Indeed I don't think I found my Shep particularly funny or light hearted either the only time they come remotely close is during the Citadel DLC and even then it wasn't really that convincing. Whereas for me Ryder had that aspect nailed and because of that to me they instantly felt a likeable character I liked the fact that no matter what Heleus threw at them during the story Rydre always tried to keep a smile on their face and get the job done no matter what it tookb and for me I think that's what won a lot of people over in the AI and the reason they were given their chance to prove themselves

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Aug 6, 2017 2:00:36 GMT @pasquale said:

Fryda rulz.
Tom droolz.

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You know, in all honesty, this is the first time I think BioWare nailed it with the voice actors. This is the first time I've played a female protag in a BioWare game and Fryda did an amazing job. Both Fryda and Taylorson fucking knocked it out of the park.

yeah they bot hdid a good job although of the 2 I prefer Frydda's Sara though

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Aug 6, 2017 2:43:05 GMT griffith82 said:

Aug 6, 2017 2:37:34 GMT @pasquale said:

Hale's Shepard is

I just can't say enough good things about her performance throughout.

Meer's not so much, imho. I really did enjoy his Vorcha (and other) work, however.

I still play M Shep from time to time. Tali Romance mainly but I really love Hale's Shep. She just nails it IMHO.

yeah playing male she pat the moment almost finished ME1 only have the last mission to do. Then I'll be transferring him into ME2

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Aug 6, 2017 2:37:34 GMT @pasquale said:

You know, in all honesty, this is the first time I think BioWare nailed it with the voice actors. This is the first time I've played a female protag in a BioWare game and Fryda did an amazing job. Both Fryda and Taylorson fucking knocked it out of the park.

Hale's Shepard is

I just can't say enough good things about her performance throughout.

Meer's not so much, imho. I really did enjoy his Vorcha (and other) work, however.

And Fryda's Ryder is great. I have yet to experience Tom's.

I love Hale. She's an amazing VA. Meer's voice work for Shepard is a little flat at times, but it does fit the character as I imagine him. And his voice work is one of the things that completely sells the Tali romance. He did a great job on that part of the story. I hear it's the same with Sheploo and Jack as well.

In this case, though, BioWare had two VA's do two completely different playable characters and I think they were amazing at it. They totally sold the brother and sister aspect of their characters. I thought that added to the ME:A story quite a bit.

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Because BioWare made all the companions vital to the plot, which is something they have been complaining about not doing in the fast.

I am not saying Andromeda is perfect. by no means is any RPG perfect in this regard. I am just saying it is better then Shepard's. Because I could not under any circumstances give Shepard a sense of humor. You want your Ryder to be an angry cummageon who throws people out the airlock for the slightest offense, I wanted my Shepard to have a sense of humor. We can't all get what we want.

man we must have played two different Shepards.....

Maybe it's just a Renegade thing? ME1/ME2 had me in stitches, Shepard had some of the best deadpan and troll humor I've ever seen in a game.

Much better than Ryder's tryhard sense of humor

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Aug 6, 2017 2:49:16 GMT kino said:

Aug 6, 2017 2:37:34 GMT @pasquale said:

Hale's Shepard is

I just can't say enough good things about her performance throughout.

Meer's not so much, imho. I really did enjoy his Vorcha (and other) work, however.

And Fryda's Ryder is great. I have yet to experience Tom's.

I love Hale. She's an amazing VA. Meer's voice work for Shepard is a little flat at times, but it does fit the character as I imagine him. And his voice work is one of the things that completely sells the Tali romance. He did a great job on that part of the story. I hear it's the same with Sheploo and Jack as well.

In this case, though, BioWare had two VA's do two completely different playable characters and I think they were amazing at it. They totally sold the brother and sister aspect of their characters. I thought that added to the ME:A story quite a bit.

Yeah, that's a great point. Hale & Meer both did the exact same character, Fryda & Tom did 2 different characters, both of which would have a presence in every playthrough.

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Aug 6, 2017 2:25:53 GMT griffith82 said:

man we must have played two different Shepards.....

We all must have because as much as I love my Sheps funny they ain't.

/me remembers the time Shepard convinced a cleaning guy there was a bomb on the citadel

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Aug 6, 2017 3:00:45 GMT Steelcan said:

Aug 6, 2017 2:25:53 GMT griffith82 said:

We all must have because as much as I love my Sheps funny they ain't.

/me remembers the time Shepard convinced a cleaning guy there was a bomb on the citadel

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Aug 6, 2017 2:00:36 GMT @pasquale said:

As far as the voice acting is concerned I could see this argument with Fryda Wolf. Granted I found her quite awesome but some of her lines did come off as being a bit 'meh. But Tom Taylorson? First of all for the first time in a BW game the male voice protagonist > the female voice.

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