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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 16:40:38 GMT
Fair enough. Ryder's Joss Whedon dialogue was annoying at times. I've gone on at length about her godawful first flirt dialogue with Suvi. I just don't see any point in ditching Ryder entirely. I'd love to see a more grownup ryder five years down the road still blazing trails in a story that lives up to the premise. Think of it like The Wire. Each season was shown through different perspectives and many different characters. Andromeda could use a similar approach. The next game is played from the perspective of someone actively opposing the Initiative/Ryder, for example. The "main protagonist" would be Andromeda. I see what you're saying but all we'll get is the same rage over another character that we did with Ryder. Eliminating Ryder is not a panacaea. |
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 6, 2017 16:57:49 GMT
Think of it like The Wire. Each season was shown through different perspectives and many different characters. Andromeda could use a similar approach. The next game is played from the perspective of someone actively opposing the Initiative/Ryder, for example. The "main protagonist" would be Andromeda. I see what you're saying but all we'll get is the same rage over another character that we did with Ryder. Eliminating Ryder is not a panacaea. People didn't dislike Ryder because they would hate anyone that was not Shepard, but because Ryder was a bland character with much more restricted room for player agency than Shepard. |
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 17:57:19 GMT
I see what you're saying but all we'll get is the same rage over another character that we did with Ryder. Eliminating Ryder is not a panacaea. People didn't dislike Ryder because they would hate anyone that was not Shepard, but because Ryder was a bland character with much more restricted room for player agency than Shepard. I agree Ryder is more cardboardy than Shepard but if you don't eat the member berries you can see it's not by much. Shepard's saving grace, whether paragon or renegade is that he/she was a badass. Ryder was an engenue who went from middle of the command chain at best to the top dog for humanity and that's a more complex position than Shepard was in to start. Shepard at the outset of ME1 was already a veteran soldier and XO of the most cutting edge ship in the Alliance fleet. Even in light of that I still think people will be disappointed and the neckbeard tears, rage and memes will flow like lava through the streets of Pompeii if they scrap Ryder for another ME game. |
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Post by Guts on Aug 6, 2017 18:22:22 GMT
You mean be a jerk and get away with it? one of my favorite moments in Andromeda was Tanns 'so you can be the Pathfinder you are pretending to be' i know we have a lot of people around here who just like to play walking bad asses but i was like 'daaammmmnn shots fired' Touche Tann. |
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Post by Guts on Aug 6, 2017 18:28:04 GMT
Hmmmm. I'll agree the story wasn't well executed, but I'm curious. What do you mean by a hard reboot, like the same premise just with a different execution? Or with completely new characters? Any direct sequel will have to overcome the baggage of ME:A so it may be best to either ignore it or try a different premise while assuming Ryder et al are continuing their adventures. What that premise might be I have no idea. Simply waiting a few years until they're 'better established' doesn't cut it. There are only 100,000 colonists. It will be centuries before they can get away from crappy little settlements. Though to be honest I'm not sure why they're bothering with settlements. They've got the Nexus which, at almost the size of the Citadel, should be able to house 6 or 7 million people so they can live there exclusively for a few hundred years and take their time exploring and finding the perfect colonisable world's. Would make for a dull game though. I'd kinda like the idea of exploring new parts of Andromeda. Maybe the remnant make a return but perhaps SAM got damaged from the whole Archon thing so Ryder has to do more thinking for his/herself instead of relying on SAM. I'm throwing out ideas, but the exploring new parts of Andromeda could allow for some insight into what happened to the Jaardan and also take advantage of the whole exploration theme that the game seemed too scared to touch on. I personally think that the crew had a lot of potential so to throw them away would be silly. |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 18:31:23 GMT
one of my favorite moments in Andromeda was Tanns 'so you can be the Pathfinder you are pretending to be' i know we have a lot of people around here who just like to play walking bad asses but i was like 'daaammmmnn shots fired' Touche Tann. How does he react if you piss off the Krogan on Eledan? In other words keep the core. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 19:08:31 GMT
You mean be a jerk and get away with it? one of my favorite moments in Andromeda was Tanns 'so you can be the Pathfinder you are pretending to be' i know we have a lot of people around here who just like to play walking bad asses but i was like 'daaammmmnn shots fired' Shepard... ...Inducted into the badass N7 program ...Single handedly stopped a Batarian attack on Elsyium. ...Became the 1st Human Spectre ...Banged the Asari Consort ...Banged Liara ...Stopped a Reaper attack on the Citadel ...Died and came back to life ...Shiala wanted him ...All Citadel shops wanted his endorsement ...Banged Miranda ...Stopped the Collectors ...Banged Liara again ...Stopped the Reaper invasion ...Became a legend known as The Shepard ...When his image appeared in a E3 2014 Bioware trailer, the crowd went nuts and openly cheered Geralt and Nathan Drake would buy him a beer. Shepard doesnt have to walk around playing a badass, he IS a badass. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 6, 2017 19:13:42 GMT
one of my favorite moments in Andromeda was Tanns 'so you can be the Pathfinder you are pretending to be' i know we have a lot of people around here who just like to play walking bad asses but i was like 'daaammmmnn shots fired' Shepard... ...Inducted into the badass N7 program ...Single handedly stopped a Batarian attack on Elsyium. ...Became the 1st Human Spectre ...Banged the Asari Consort ...Banged Liara ...Stopped a Reaper attack on the Citadel ...Died and came back to life ...Shiala wanted him ...All Citadel shops wanted his endorsement ...Banged Miranda ...Stopped the Collectors ...Banged Liara again ...Stopped the Reaper invasion ...Became a legend known as The Shepard ...When his image appeared in a E3 2014 Bioware trailer, the crowd went nuts and openly cheered Geralt would buy him a beer. Shepard doesnt have to walk around playing a badass, he IS a badass. that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 19:21:22 GMT
Shepard... ...Inducted into the badass N7 program ...Single handedly stopped a Batarian attack on Elsyium. ...Became the 1st Human Spectre ...Banged the Asari Consort ...Banged Liara ...Stopped a Reaper attack on the Citadel ...Died and came back to life ...Shiala wanted him ...All Citadel shops wanted his endorsement ...Banged Miranda ...Stopped the Collectors ...Banged Liara again ...Stopped the Reaper invasion ...Became a legend known as The Shepard ...When his image appeared in a E3 2014 Bioware trailer, the crowd went nuts and openly cheered Geralt would buy him a beer. Shepard doesnt have to walk around playing a badass, he IS a badass. that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. Take SAM away and see how effective Ryder was.... |
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 6, 2017 19:24:05 GMT
that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. Take SAM away and see how effective Ryder was.... Since we played the game we know the answer to that one. Ryder wins the day. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 19:26:04 GMT
Take SAM away and see how effective Ryder was.... Since we played the game we know the answer to that one. Ryder wins the day. SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? |
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Post by Guts on Aug 6, 2017 19:29:24 GMT
How does he react if you piss off the Krogan on Eledan? In other words keep the core. Not sure, I always give Morda the drive core. |
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Post by Guts on Aug 6, 2017 19:30:09 GMT
that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. Take SAM away and see how effective Ryder was.... You'd get a better story if you took away SAM doing everything. That's all I can say. |
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 19:30:29 GMT
Since we played the game we know the answer to that one. Ryder wins the day. SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? Pretty much everyone, including an AI in ME3 |
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 6, 2017 19:31:22 GMT
Since we played the game we know the answer to that one. Ryder wins the day. SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? The devs? |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 6, 2017 19:43:44 GMT
Since we played the game we know the answer to that one. Ryder wins the day. SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 19:44:11 GMT
SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? Pretty much everyone, including an AI in ME3 A sexy AI. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 6, 2017 19:46:25 GMT
SAM held Ryders hand. Who held Shepards hand? Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep is no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames and really helped propel more female hero's in videogames. Ryder stands on the shoulders Shepards success. If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2017 19:52:10 GMT
that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. Take SAM away and see how effective Ryder was.... *looks at the last chapter of MEA when Ryder summons and controls a Remnant fleet without SAM* I'd say pretty effective. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 19:52:38 GMT
Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep os no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. Yes, Shepard is indeed a badass. Only after three games, and with a backstory that already established them as a hero. To expect Ryder to be the same after one game and a vastly different backstory comes across as both entitled and a bit stupid. |
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Post by mannyray on Aug 6, 2017 19:55:25 GMT
Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep is no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames and really helped propel more female hero's in videogames. Ryder stands on the shoulders Shepards success. If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. You're not being objective here. It would just generate more Kotaku clickbait bordering on willful deceit, neckbeard tears and meme rage, etc. and probably indignation from a variety of demographics, much like ME:A did. I obviously can't speak for everyone on the forum reading this thread, but I'm one fan who's sick of prequels that answer (or try to answer) every single question a film, game, or multiples of either bring up. People who snap up things like this usually love movies like "Prometheus." |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 6, 2017 19:56:16 GMT
And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep os no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. Yes, Shepard is indeed a badass. Only after three games, and with a backstory that already established them as a hero. To expect Ryder to be the same after one game and a vastly different backstory comes across as both entitled and a bit stupid. Exactly. MEA is to Ryder what Elysium, Akuze, or Torfon are to Shepard. Bioware talked about this multiple times before the game came out. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 6, 2017 20:08:17 GMT
Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep is no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames and really helped propel more female hero's in videogames. Ryder stands on the shoulders Shepards success. If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. when someone stands on the shoulders it means they are reaching higher... |
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 6, 2017 20:22:50 GMT
that's the problem though. Fine many people like playing that type of a character... I even played my Ryder like that a little...but Shepard is something at this point i wouldn't call even a character. He was a caricature. So bad infact that the only growth they gave him was tob turn him.into a religious icon. But the truly bad thing was nothing he was given was earned. He was given everything 'because protagonist'. Ryder on the other hand had to earn everything he was given and constantly prove himself. Good point. I'm sure Shepard started off along the same lines (hell, my Shepard grew up on the streets) but the reality is Ryder is at a totally different point of his career. By the end of the game I'd argue Ryder is well on his way to being every bit the badass that Shepard was, even if he is more Picard than Kirk. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 6, 2017 20:24:17 GMT
Miranda Lawson, literally, when she rebuilt him from a meat-lump after he got spaced. Yeah, Shepard's a badass And Jacob mentioned that if it were anyone else (as in not Shepard), the project wouldnt have been successful. Yeah, Shepard's a badass. I mean the character has become a staple for Bioware along with Revan. Furthermore, femShep is no doubt one of the more popular female protagonist in videogames and really helped propel more female hero's in videogames. Ryder stands on the shoulders Shepards success. If Bioware were to create a prequel ME game about Shepard it would print money. According to The Illusive Man, Shepard was a "symbol"... Like George Carlin said "Symbols are for the symbol-minded". |
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