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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 13, 2017 18:38:28 GMT
Problem is, everything is "pushed" for them. The fact Dorian has problems with being gay in a medieval world (which is very likely he would have) is "pushed". The fact there's a transgender character, even a very secondary character (like Krem) makes it already "pushed". "Fitting the character" most of the times mean "you can be gay, just never mention your homosexuality". Or even worse, the biggest complaint of the "anti-SJWs" in this very thread: Women in the game HAVE to be """"hot""" to satisfy the "average straight male". As I said, I'm not equating them, I'm showing their ideologies have the same core ideals: Not wanting outsiders (unless you keep it quiet) and preservation of privileges (hot chicks for hetero males!) I agree, and with your post previous to this as well. The working definition I use for anti-SJW is one with privilege (acknowledged or otherwise) who wishes to maintain the status quo. By definition, anyone with a contrary agenda is an outsider. Which is why "anti-SJW" is so confusing to me as a term. It's a double negative! If anti-SJW's maintain the status quo, it means that SJW's are against the status quo. So SJW = anti-establishment! And that makes anti-SJW's anti-anti-establishment, or, establishment. White nationalists are certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum, but it's the same spectrum, at least from the point of view of anti-establishment activists. That said, I'm glad to see those sympathetic to anti-SJW's on this thread disavowing the white nationalists. As someone said earlier (I'm paraphrasing), there's a danger of tarring with the same brush. It's an overreach to say that people wanting more conventionally attractive eye candy in their Bioware games support white nationalism, to any extent. I agree, "anti-sjw" is not the best word, but we work with what we have =P And I think you got my point well: I never said that people who want "hot chicks only" are white nationalists, but that they are on the same spectrum: establishment, defenders of the status quo, etc.
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Post by Guts on Aug 13, 2017 18:42:00 GMT
I agree, and with your post previous to this as well. The working definition I use for anti-SJW is one with privilege (acknowledged or otherwise) who wishes to maintain the status quo. By definition, anyone with a contrary agenda is an outsider. Which is why "anti-SJW" is so confusing to me as a term. It's a double negative! If anti-SJW's maintain the status quo, it means that SJW's are against the status quo. So SJW = anti-establishment! And that makes anti-SJW's anti-anti-establishment, or, establishment. White nationalists are certainly on the extreme end of the spectrum, but it's the same spectrum, at least from the point of view of anti-establishment activists. That said, I'm glad to see those sympathetic to anti-SJW's on this thread disavowing the white nationalists. As someone said earlier (I'm paraphrasing), there's a danger of tarring with the same brush. It's an overreach to say that people wanting more conventionally attractive eye candy in their Bioware games support white nationalism, to any extent. I agree, "anti-sjw" is not the best word, but we work with what we have =P And I think you got my point well: I never said that people who want "hot chicks only" are white nationalists, but that they are on the same spectrum: establishment, defenders of the status quo, etc. "I'm not interested in preserving the status quo; I want to overthrow it." (Niccolo Machiavelli)
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 13, 2017 18:49:00 GMT
And yes, people not only want to see ONLY "hot chicks" on games (like many of the posters on this thread, who considered "Cora's lesbian hair" to be "annoying" and said that we should have less "blueberry shreks"), but they want Bioware to consider straight male public's opinion on that matter exclusively (like if not 99% of the media was already made focused on them) To be fair, regarding this thread (and the Elephant in the Room one, a bit of spill-over from there to here), no one has said only hot chicks. I think a more accurate characterization would be, "at least ONE hot chick." Some amount of deconstruction of why Cora, Suvi and Peebee don't qualify as "hot chicks" is enlightening, but so far, it seems to me it comes down to no accounting for taste, which is pretty much an exercise in futility.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 13, 2017 18:49:52 GMT
Hmmm There do seem to be small groups of unstable, malicious and/or stupid people at both extremes of the SJW debate, that the internet allows to communicate. Larger numbers of people around the middle seem to be either welcoming of the diversity, or see it as 'artificial'. What doesn't help is when the more nutty folk at the extremes brand everyone on the 'other side' with the same SJW/Anti-SJW label. The labels only serve to obscure the variety of opinions. I remember when a little Social Justice would be considered a good thing... I don't see how being welcoming of diversity and being against artificial or contrived diversity are mutually exclusive ideas.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 13, 2017 18:58:43 GMT
I don't see how being welcoming of diversity and being against artificial or contrived diversity are mutually exclusive ideas. They're not, but that's not the the argument. The argument is what constitutes "contrived?" Sometimes it sounds like any and all efforts to promote diversity are contrived. That Bioware should simply not try, in any way, shape or form. One can claim to be as welcoming of diversity as one wants, but what really counts is what one does about it. At least, that is what I think Bioware's philosophy is. Is Bioware sometimes heavy-handed? You bet. Are they shy about promoting their progressive positions? Not at all. But I give them credit for trying. I admit that I cringe when they lay it on too thickly in a game, but given the absolute absence of any effort whatsoever in most other games I play, I can be a bit more forgiving. And the idea that MEA, or DAI or any other Bioware game had it's story ruined, it's gameplay destroyed, it's value negated by these (in the grand scheme of things) minor efforts is just laughable.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 13, 2017 19:06:54 GMT
Hmmm There do seem to be small groups of unstable, malicious and/or stupid people at both extremes of the SJW debate, that the internet allows to communicate. Larger numbers of people around the middle seem to be either welcoming of the diversity, or see it as 'artificial'. What doesn't help is when the more nutty folk at the extremes brand everyone on the 'other side' with the same SJW/Anti-SJW label. The labels only serve to obscure the variety of opinions. I remember when a little Social Justice would be considered a good thing... I don't see how being welcoming of diversity and being against artificial or contrived diversity are mutually exclusive ideas. For sure, they are not. Finding the right language to describe the views in-between the extremes is challenging. Maybe someone else can describe them better.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 13, 2017 19:38:11 GMT
Is Bioware sometimes heavy-handed? You bet. Are they shy about promoting their progressive positions? Not at all. But I give them credit for trying. I admit that I cringe when they lay it on too thickly in a game, but given the absolute absence of any effort whatsoever in most other games I play, I can be a bit more forgiving. And the idea that MEA, or DAI or any other Bioware game had it's story ruined, it's gameplay destroyed, it's value negated by these (in the grand scheme of things) minor efforts is just laughable. I don't think Bioware is necessarily heavyhanded across the board with it. Your crewmates who happen to be gay, bi or whatever are people who are there to get the job done. Friendships are made and perhaps romance depending on how you're playing Ryder, but the core message, at its best is the same. They're all people who have the same hopes fears and dreams. For the most part this is what the game does with social issues. The more rabid anti-SJW's are shitting themselves over this while at the same time we see diehard SJW's outraged because the alternative sexualities of some characters isn't prominent enough, or the roles of these characters aren't prominent enough--even when you can play your character as whatever you want.
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Post by abaris on Aug 13, 2017 20:04:43 GMT
To be fair, regarding this thread (and the Elephant in the Room one, a bit of spill-over from there to here), no one has said only hot chicks. I think a more accurate characterization would be, "at least ONE hot chick." Begs the question of what defines a hot chick? Therein often lies the problem of the anti SJW crowd. Cora in her way is more along my definition of hot chick than some Pamela Anderson clone with lots of silicon and little in terms of personality. Another problem lies in the often voiced opinion that a red blooded hetero male shouldn't be confronted by gays, unless to have a good laugh at their expense. Not in so many words, of course, but there's no need to spell it out when the sentiment oozes from between the lines.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 13, 2017 20:11:01 GMT
To be fair, regarding this thread (and the Elephant in the Room one, a bit of spill-over from there to here), no one has said only hot chicks. I think a more accurate characterization would be, "at least ONE hot chick." Begs the question of what defines a hot chick? Therein often lies the problem of the anti SJW crowd. Cora in her way is more along my definition of hot chick than some Pamela Anderson clone with lots of silicon and little in terms of personality. Another problem lies in the often voiced opinion that a red blooded hetero male shouldn't be confronted by gays, unless to have a good laugh at their expense. Not in so many words, of course, but there's no need to spell it out when the sentiment oozes from between the lines. I'm hetero and have gay/lesbian friends, coworkers etc... and have no issue with the LGBT stuff. I also don't want a Pam Anderson clone eww.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Aug 13, 2017 20:15:07 GMT
ome I don't see how being welcoming of diversity and being against artificial or contrived diversity are mutually exclusive ideas. For sure, they are not. Finding the right language to describe the views in-between the extremes is challenging. Maybe someone else can describe them better. Well as I Black man I can I say I hate "Black Characters" but love seeing "Characters That Happen to Be Black" in my video games. What I mean by "Black Charatcers" is paper-thin characters that exist solely to be Black and fulfil some kind of racial quota and make activists shut up. They're usually pathetic stereotypes and soap boxes that show up for a minute, have barely an impact on the plot, and ultimately have no real personality or depth besides being the Black Guy/Gal. Characters That Happen to Be Black on the otherhand are actual characters that aren't completely defined by their race and actually manage to surpise me with the amount of the depth or uniqueness that they have. Actually, now that I think about it, a good litmus between the two is whether you could honesty think of a discerning trait or personality feature that Black character has beyond that their Black. To Bioware's credit they've managed to avoid writing "Black Characters" and create a couple decent characters. I may not like Jacob but for the most part he isn't a walking stereotype and actually has a backstory that isn't defined by his Blackness. Liam and Isabela are better examples of this as well in my opinion. Hell, I'd even say that the LGBT characters in Inquisition were actual characters and not boring stereotypes. Dorian's flamobolent attitude and daddy issues may have cringe-worthy but the guy still had other things about him going on like his genius, thoughts of faith, desire to redeem his country, and slavery apologism. Krem was trans but also a soldier that told interesting stories that had nothing to do with being trans. Sera had the Red Jennies and Dalish issues, Iron Bull had his conflicting loyalities, and Josephine was a kind diplomat. Point is all these characters were characters first and while their identities should have some measure of influence on who they are depending on the setting (am I not sure that ideas of race between humans even exist in Mass Effect's universe anymore) they shouldn't be their sole defining personality aspect. Hopefully, all that makes sense.
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Post by abaris on Aug 13, 2017 20:21:38 GMT
I'm hetero and have gay/lesbian friends, coworkers etc... and have no issue with the LGBT stuff. I also don't want a Pam Anderson clone eww. Did I adress you, heteros in general, or the anti SJW crowd? You obviously wasn't meant.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 13, 2017 20:31:11 GMT
I'm hetero and have gay/lesbian friends, coworkers etc... and have no issue with the LGBT stuff. I also don't want a Pam Anderson clone eww. Did I adress you, heteros in general, or the anti SJW crowd? You obviously wasn't meant. I know I was just expressing my personal view showing all heteros aren't that way. I didn't take it that way.
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Post by warrior on Aug 13, 2017 20:38:27 GMT
I don't see how being welcoming of diversity and being against artificial or contrived diversity are mutually exclusive ideas. For sure, they are not. Finding the right language to describe the views in-between the extremes is challenging. Maybe someone else can describe them better. there isn't a single so-called "SJW," not an "extremist" or "in-betweener" one, who wants "contrived" diversity. "contrived" is by definition a negative word. literally no one wants that. people only have different definitions of what "contrived" is, and for some it seems that any attempt at including anyone but white straight men (and to some extent white women) is "contrived"...
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Post by warrior on Aug 13, 2017 20:49:37 GMT
ome For sure, they are not. Finding the right language to describe the views in-between the extremes is challenging. Maybe someone else can describe them better. Well as I Black man I can I say I hate "Black Characters" but love seeing "Characters That Happen to Be Black" in my video games. What I mean by "Black Charatcers" is paper-thin characters that exist solely to be Black and fulfil some kind of racial quota and make activists shut up. They're usually pathetic stereotypes and soap boxes that show up for a minute, have barely an impact on the plot, and ultimately have no real personality or depth besides being the Black Guy/Gal. Characters That Happen to Be Black on the otherhand are actual characters that aren't completely defined by their race and actually manage to surpise me with the amount of the depth or uniqueness that they have. Actually, now that I think about it, a good litmus between the two is whether you could honesty think of a discerning trait or personality feature that Black character has beyond that their Black. To Bioware's credit they've managed to avoid writing "Black Characters" and create a couple decent characters. I may not like Jacob but for the most part he isn't a walking stereotype and actually has a backstory that isn't defined by his Blackness. Liam and Isabela are better examples of this as well in my opinion. Hell, I'd even say that the LGBT characters in Inquisition were actual characters and not boring stereotypes. Dorian's flamobolent attitude and daddy issues may have cringe-worthy but the guy still had other things about him going on like his genius, thoughts of faith, desire to redeem his country, and slavery apologism. Krem was trans but also a soldier that told interesting stories that had nothing to do with being trans. Sera had the Red Jennies and Dalish issues, Iron Bull had his conflicting loyalities, and Josephine was a kind diplomat. Point is all these characters were characters first and while their identities should have some measure of influence on who they are depending on the setting (am I not sure that ideas of race between humans even exist in Mass Effect's universe anymore) they shouldn't be their sole defining personality aspect. Hopefully, all that makes sense. It does make sense! No one wants to be a hamfisted token or badly written quota-filler. No. one. wants. that. Stop suggesting this is what "SJWs" want.I think that it's also important to remember that there are flamboyant gay men like Dorian irl. While pop culture attempts at including gay people have often depended on flamboyance (much as lesbian inclusion has depended on butchness), which has been a problem of stereotype and tokenizing, the solution isn't to eliminate flamboyance from all gay male representation but to make sure that flamboyance is not used as simply a Gay Signal! or something, as well as to include other types of gay men so that flamboyance doesn't become a metaphor/defining quality of gay identity.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Aug 13, 2017 21:05:18 GMT
ome Well as I Black man I can I say I hate "Black Characters" but love seeing "Characters That Happen to Be Black" in my video games. What I mean by "Black Charatcers" is paper-thin characters that exist solely to be Black and fulfil some kind of racial quota and make activists shut up. They're usually pathetic stereotypes and soap boxes that show up for a minute, have barely an impact on the plot, and ultimately have no real personality or depth besides being the Black Guy/Gal. Characters That Happen to Be Black on the otherhand are actual characters that aren't completely defined by their race and actually manage to surpise me with the amount of the depth or uniqueness that they have. Actually, now that I think about it, a good litmus between the two is whether you could honesty think of a discerning trait or personality feature that Black character has beyond that their Black. To Bioware's credit they've managed to avoid writing "Black Characters" and create a couple decent characters. I may not like Jacob but for the most part he isn't a walking stereotype and actually has a backstory that isn't defined by his Blackness. Liam and Isabela are better examples of this as well in my opinion. Hell, I'd even say that the LGBT characters in Inquisition were actual characters and not boring stereotypes. Dorian's flamobolent attitude and daddy issues may have cringe-worthy but the guy still had other things about him going on like his genius, thoughts of faith, desire to redeem his country, and slavery apologism. Krem was trans but also a soldier that told interesting stories that had nothing to do with being trans. Sera had the Red Jennies and Dalish issues, Iron Bull had his conflicting loyalities, and Josephine was a kind diplomat. Point is all these characters were characters first and while their identities should have some measure of influence on who they are depending on the setting (am I not sure that ideas of race between humans even exist in Mass Effect's universe anymore) they shouldn't be their sole defining personality aspect. Hopefully, all that makes sense. It does make sense! No one wants to be a hamfisted token or badly written quota-filler. No. one. wants. that. Stop suggesting this is what "SJWs" want.I think that it's also important to remember that there are flamboyant gay men like Dorian irl. While pop culture attempts at including gay people have often depended on flamboyance (much as lesbian inclusion has depended on butchness), which has been a problem of stereotype and tokenizing, the solution isn't to eliminate flamboyance from all gay male representation but to make sure that flamboyance is not used as simply a Gay Signal! or something, as well as to include other types of gay men so that flamboyance doesn't become a metaphor/defining quality of gay identity. That's a very good point. Dorian is great example of allowing characters to have personality traits that could be seen as stereotypical, but ensuring that those traits do not completely define them as a character or as a person and giving with other traits as well to make them three-dimesnional. To be honest Dorian being flamabolent never really bothered me because I could explain it as something that fit his backround given that he is basically a Tony Stark raised in a privilegedGame of Thrones environment. So him being somewhat arrogrant and overly-dramatic and fasion trendy made sense and wasn't just a stereotype because all Gay people sound must like this and act flamabolent. And to your last point, YES, represenation should add stuff to margalized groups not take things away or censor things because flamabolent gay men are know politically incorrect for some reason. The same thing goes for sexy or sexualized women in games. Have them, but be willing to have women who don't fit conventional beauty standards as well. Overwatch is great example of a game that balances things out and has women of all shapes and sizes.
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Post by I'd rather be Mordin Solus on Aug 14, 2017 0:30:27 GMT
You want realistic portrayals of women and men in games. I respect that. Let's make a large percentage of woman and men average. But there's a lot of people who want a few fantasy women and men. Let's be tolerant of their desires, too. My argument is, from Bioware's point of view, they have already done that very thing, e.g., Suvi, Cora and Peebee. There's no accounting for taste, so if Cora's hair is a turn-off, shrug, but from the neck down, you can't say that Cora doesn't have a conventionally attractive body. And Suvi is the whole package, hair and all. She's just not bangable by a Bro Ryder. So it's not just conventional attractiveness, it's also bangability that's at issue, right? Should Bioware play to the least common denominator? You claim average hetero males are the majority of the audience -- and you might be right about that. Certainly the demographics polls posted on Reddit show ME's audience as overwhelmingly male (79/20). Even if a quarter of that 79% are above average , that's still a sizable chunk of the audience that may be "average hetero males." Seems to be good business sense to give that segment some eye candy, right? BUT. But, maybe it's exactly that heavily skewed 79/20 ratio that Bioware is trying to address. Maybe their business stats lead them to believe that the average hetero male segment of the 79% wasn't going anywhere -- for this issue, anyway; serious problems with game stability, facial animations, and overall disappointment with the whole Andromeda concept notwithstanding, because those issues apply to all segments of the audience -- and Bioware could afford to do something to grow the 20%. Again, not in a zero sum sense, but rather making the whole pie bigger, as well as that slice. That's what I meant earlier that maybe the character style decisions Bioware made didn't have anything to do with average hetero males at all, because they thought they had checked that box with Suvi, Cora and Peebee. Good points. And well said. I'll still have to disagree about Cora and Peebee, not just for myself, but for the average gamer. I totally agree that they are trying to capture more female gamer pie. Interesting that they are marketing Anthem to females, too. Heavily, based on that game-play trailer. I'm not convinced that large numbers of females will be attracted to Destiny style shooters, though. Unless Anthem has a lot of romance/story/NPC interaction, the AVERAGE female gamer will stay away.
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Post by dark8sage on Aug 14, 2017 0:53:17 GMT
This is a false dichotomy. The malicious campaign against Bioware is fueled by deluded people who truly are bothered by the game not being a bouncing titty fest with a grimdark grizzled middle aged male protagonist who's a womanizer.
But this game does have the rank stench of tokenism inherent in "SJW" (also known as PC culture) worldviews. The bad guys are essentially imperialist eugenicists that are the usual boogeymen of the humanities lefties, and character design and squad selection most definitely reflect left-wing idiosyncracies.
The funny part is it fits into a T because it just lumps gay men into every other sexual minority and assumes that their diversity check boxes are filled because there are several lesbian options and straight female options on top of gender atypical characters like Jaal and even the transgender NPC, but the treatment of several "diversity" characters is nothing but superficia.
More importantly, it feels like the TV show Sense8 where it's more a PSA than writing stories about characters of diverse backgrounds without turning the arcs of said characters into a political soapbox for leftwing, postmodernist dogma (the favorites include deconstructionism and critical race/queer "theory", which are laughable given their pretense at scientific inquiry when they are little more than political philosophy and anecdotes, with obvious borrowings from marxist tropes).
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2017 2:01:23 GMT
This is a false dichotomy. The malicious campaign against Bioware is fueled by deluded people who truly are bothered by the game not being a bouncing titty fest with a grimdark grizzled middle aged male protagonist who's a womanizer. But this game does have the rank stench of tokenism inherent in "SJW" (also known as PC culture) worldviews. The bad guys are essentially imperialist eugenicists that are the usual boogeymen of the humanities lefties, and character design and squad selection most definitely reflect left-wing idiosyncracies.I'd probably disagree with the italed if it made any sense. Some actual content would help. What idiosyncrasies are you talking about?
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I was very specific with my initial post in this thread. How far back was that? Near the beginning. "Anybody who dares question the fairly obvious SJW agenda in the world these days is a white supremacist." Neat false equivalency bro. Neat strawman bro... Obviously " some of the anti-SJWs were there" (at the white supremacist rally) isn't the same as " anybody who questions the SJW agenda is a white supremacist". And you want to cry about someone else misrepresenting you, when your entry and subsequent participation in the thread has been entirely based on this (silly/obvious/clearly intentional) misrepresentation? Talk about going full retard... I called anarchy65 out for dragging a completely unrelated act of terrorism into a debate about video games for Christ's sake... If that is a strawman, then so be it. I give no fucks. This bullshit smear tactics is exactly that, a bullshit smear tactic. He lumps people skeptical of the current overarching progressive PC narrative into the same group as bonafide Nazis. Fucking actual Nazis! Let's be real here, he only included the "some" modifier to give himself a convenient way to backpedal out of making such a twisted comparison if he faced any real backlash. If you could put your own bias aside for a moment, then you would see why the last part of your quality shitpost is denialism lathered up in partisanship and an inability to accept any differing world views. Stop before you make yourself look like a Tumblr blog.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 14, 2017 5:05:24 GMT
I called anarchy65 out for dragging a completely unrelated act of terrorism into a debate about video games for Christ's sake... If that is a strawman, then so be it. I give no fucks. No you didn't, you accused anarchy65 of saying that anyone who questions the "SJW agenda" is a white supremacist, of tarring everyone who is anti-SJW as a white supremacist (which they didn't, since "some" doesn't mean the same thing as "every/any"). In fact, you didn't say anything about the propriety of bringing up the tragedy in Charlottesville, that was another poster (linksocarina). And if you don't want to give any fucks about misrepresenting what other people say, that's fine... but then you don't get to give any fucks about people misrepresenting you. Can't have it both ways. If you could put your own bias aside for a moment, then you would see why the last part of your quality shitpost is denialism lathered up in partisanship and an inability to accept any differing world views. Wrong again. There was nothing partisan or biased about my comment, I didn't express any stance on the content of the discussion at all. My point- the one about pots and kettles- holds regardless of content or ideology; if you do X, you don't get to then complain when someone else does X, whatever X happens to be.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 5:13:07 GMT
I called anarchy65 out for dragging a completely unrelated act of terrorism into a debate about video games for Christ's sake... If that is a strawman, then so be it. I give no fucks. No you didn't, you accused anarchy65 of saying that anyone who questions the "SJW agenda" is a white supremacist, of tarring everyone who is anti-SJW as a white supremacist (which they didn't, since "some" doesn't mean the same thing as "every/any"). In fact, you didn't say anything about the propriety of bringing up the tragedy in Charlottesville, that was another poster (linksocarina). And if you don't want to give any fucks about misrepresenting what other people say, that's fine... but then you don't get to give any fucks about people misrepresenting you. Can't have it both ways. If you could put your own bias aside for a moment, then you would see why the last part of your quality shitpost is denialism lathered up in partisanship and an inability to accept any differing world views. Wrong again. There was nothing partisan or biased about my comment, I didn't express any stance on the content of the discussion at all. My point- the one about pots and kettles- holds regardless of content or ideology; if you do X, you don't get to then complain when someone else does X, whatever X happens to be. Picking and choosing quotes to attack. Lul. Cherry pick harder. Also, you are apparently a-okay with people using tragedies to promote political bullshit. Good to know that you are another... unsavory person.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 14, 2017 5:20:10 GMT
Picking and choosing quotes to attack. Lul. Cherry pick harder. Please. I'm not obligated to go point-by-point and respond to every word you said in your post. I quoted what I was responding to. Yeah, I never said that. As it happens, I think its poor taste, or at the very least poor timing. But that doesn't negate my point about pots and kettles. I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if you hadn't added the "full retard" meme, but calling someone a retard for doing something that you just did (!!) is laughable hypocrisy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 5:21:30 GMT
Picking and choosing quotes to attack. Lul. Cherry pick harder. Please. I'm not obligated to go point-by-point and respond to every word you said in your post. I quoted what I was responding to. Yeah, I never said that. As it happens, I think its poor taste, or at the very least poor timing. But that doesn't negate my point about pots and kettles. I probably wouldn't have said anything at all if you hadn't added the "full retard" meme, but calling someone a retard for doing something that you just did (!!) is laughable hypocrisy.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 14, 2017 5:24:00 GMT
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 6:06:29 GMT
The little troll ignored all my posts where I linked white supremacist ideals to ""anti-sjws"" and just went full baby troll calling names like "retard" and "piece of shit".
Just reported this kid, hopefully he'll get a good ban.
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