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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 14, 2017 7:44:01 GMT
I've redacted some insults, no more of those, please.
And yes, bans will arrive if any of that continues.
In the meantime, we are discussing 'SJW influence', not any other political matters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 14:39:55 GMT
The little troll ignored all my posts where I linked white supremacist ideals to ""anti-sjws"" and just went full baby troll calling names like "retard" and "piece of shit". Just reported this kid, hopefully he'll get a good ban. I stand by what I said, even if it has been pruned, but being called a troll by one of suikoden's apprentices is charming to say the least. Back on topic: You are using classic "SJW" debates tactics, ones that are laced in fallacious logic. First, you outright mock the other side of the debate and try your hardest make opposing concerns look idiotic. (AKA personal incredulity, false cause, & genetic fallacies.) Second, you bend over backwards to make ridiculous comparisons. (AKA false cause, slippery slope, ad hominem, personal incredulity, & composition/division fallacies.) If you expect me to take you seriously and do anything more than mock you, then you really need to drop the fallacious logic.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 14:55:52 GMT
The little troll ignored all my posts where I linked white supremacist ideals to ""anti-sjws"" and just went full baby troll calling names like "retard" and "piece of shit". Just reported this kid, hopefully he'll get a good ban. I stand by what I said, even if it has been pruned, but being called a troll by one of suikoden's apprentices is charming to say the least. Back on topic: You are using classic "SJW" debates tactics, ones that are laced in fallacious logic. First, you outright mock the other side of the debate and try your hardest make opposing concerns look idiotic. (AKA personal incredulity, false cause, & genetic fallacies.) Second, you bend over backwards to make ridiculous comparisons. (AKA false cause, slippery slope, ad hominem, personal incredulity, & composition/division fallacies.) If you expect me to take you seriously and do anything more than mock you, then you really need to drop the fallacious logic. Man, I bet you're just reading that fallacies there are on wikipedia and just copying and paste them to make you sound intelligent (which you clearly are not) And it's funny you saying I mock you, yes, I usually mock people that rage like little kids and call me "a piece of shit" out of nowhere because of a based opinion. If you think it's ridiculous, fine. I made my point and used logic to make those comparisons and why their core ideas are related, and you copying a list of fallacies from wikipedia won't change that.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 14, 2017 15:04:02 GMT
Damn this topic went to hell while I slept. Anyone who uses tragedy to support their argument is the real troll here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:07:47 GMT
I stand by what I said, even if it has been pruned, but being called a troll by one of suikoden's apprentices is charming to say the least. Back on topic: You are using classic "SJW" debates tactics, ones that are laced in fallacious logic. First, you outright mock the other side of the debate and try your hardest make opposing concerns look idiotic. (AKA personal incredulity, false cause, & genetic fallacies.) Second, you bend over backwards to make ridiculous comparisons. (AKA false cause, slippery slope, ad hominem, personal incredulity, & composition/division fallacies.) If you expect me to take you seriously and do anything more than mock you, then you really need to drop the fallacious logic. Man, I bet you're just reading that fallacies there are on wikipedia and just copying and paste them to make you sound intelligent (which you clearly are not) And it's funny you saying I mock you, yes, I usually mock people that rage like little kids and call me "a piece of shit" out of nowhere because of a based opinion. If you think it's ridiculous, fine. I made my point and used logic to make those comparisons and why their core ideas are related, and you copying a list of fallacies from wikipedia won't change that. Nah. I know my logical fallacies and so far, all you have done is argued in bad faith with "muh comparisons." And right off the bat, more ad hominem and a new instance of tu quoque fallacy. Your entire premises is argued with broken reasoning. "Logic" is not something I see represented in your posts at all. Yes, I indeed called you operant words because you simply are what they describe. You want to capitalize on a horrific incident in order to attempt to disregard your opposition in a completely unrelated matter, then expect to be called out on your bullshit.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 15:12:41 GMT
Man, I bet you're just reading that fallacies there are on wikipedia and just copying and paste them to make you sound intelligent (which you clearly are not) And it's funny you saying I mock you, yes, I usually mock people that rage like little kids and call me "a piece of shit" out of nowhere because of a based opinion. If you think it's ridiculous, fine. I made my point and used logic to make those comparisons and why their core ideas are related, and you copying a list of fallacies from wikipedia won't change that. Nah. I know my logical fallacies and so far, all you have done is argued in bad faith with "muh comparisons." And right off the bat, more ad hominem and a new instance of tu quoque fallacy. Your entire premises is argued with broken reasoning. "Logic" is not something I see represented in your posts at all. Yes, I indeed called you operant words because you simply are what they describe. You want to capitalize on a horrific incident in order to attempt to disregard your opposition in a completely unrelated matter, then expect to be called out on your bullshit. I compared the core ideals of both movements and showing how they are related, and I didn't see a single argument coming from you, you just call if "fallacy" and copying all these terms you're copying from wikipedia. What you're doing is being fallacious while calling the others fallacious. When I argued, you just ranted and cursed like the little troll kid you are because you don't have arguments if you can't copy and paste them from wikipedia.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 15:19:22 GMT
Nah. I know my logical fallacies and so far, all you have done is argued in bad faith with "muh comparisons." And right off the bat, more ad hominem and a new instance of tu quoque fallacy. Your entire premises is argued with broken reasoning. "Logic" is not something I see represented in your posts at all. Yes, I indeed called you operant words because you simply are what they describe. You want to capitalize on a horrific incident in order to attempt to disregard your opposition in a completely unrelated matter, then expect to be called out on your bullshit. I compared the core ideals of both movements and showing how they are related, and I didn't see a single argument coming from you, you just call if "fallacy" and copying all these terms you're copying from wikipedia. What you're doing is being fallacious while calling the others fallacious. When I argued, you just ranted and cursed like the little troll kid you are because you don't have arguments if you can't copy and paste them from wikipedia. You can keep repeating the same detritus whilst making the same inane comments and accusations all the while committing debate suicide. Knock yourself out. Your arguments go as far as comparing literal Nazis to people skeptical of the current PC narrative of the regressive left. That's not and argument, that's obfuscation. My argument, which apparently goes right over your head, is that that is a slippery slope and making the comparison is bad faith argumentation design to smear and degrade.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 15:23:59 GMT
I compared the core ideals of both movements and showing how they are related, and I didn't see a single argument coming from you, you just call if "fallacy" and copying all these terms you're copying from wikipedia. What you're doing is being fallacious while calling the others fallacious. When I argued, you just ranted and cursed like the little troll kid you are because you don't have arguments if you can't copy and paste them from wikipedia. You can keep repeating the same detritus whilst making the same inane comments and accusations all the while committing debate suicide. Knock yourself out. Your arguments go as far as comparing literal Nazis to people skeptical of the current PC narrative of the regressive left. That's not and argument, that's obfuscation. My argument, which apparently goes right over your head, is that that is a slippery slope and making the comparison is bad faith argumentation design to smear and degrade. See, the problem is you are illiterate. I didn't compare nazis do sjws. I said two things: 1. Not every anti-sjw is a white nationalist, but every white nationalist is an anti-sjw. Statement is TRUE. 2. The core ideas of "anti-sjw" and the white nationalists are somehow related (related to privileges and a fear or anger of the unknown or "outsiders") But you just ignore all that and say I'm saying anti-sjws are just like nazis, when I actually repeated a lot of times that they aren't and that I wasn't comparing people, but core ideas. I don't know if you do that on bad faith or if you're just illiterate (because you can't argue without copying fallacies from wikipedia), but I'm just going to ignore you from now on because trolls don't deserve attention.
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Post by abaris on Aug 14, 2017 16:12:17 GMT
Are you quite done insulting each other or do you want to see this thread closed because of circular bickering?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2017 16:59:09 GMT
No you didn't, you accused anarchy65 of saying that anyone who questions the "SJW agenda" is a white supremacist, of tarring everyone who is anti-SJW as a white supremacist (which they didn't, since "some" doesn't mean the same thing as "every/any"). In fact, you didn't say anything about the propriety of bringing up the tragedy in Charlottesville, that was another poster (linksocarina). And if you don't want to give any fucks about misrepresenting what other people say, that's fine... but then you don't get to give any fucks about people misrepresenting you. Can't have it both ways. Wrong again. There was nothing partisan or biased about my comment, I didn't express any stance on the content of the discussion at all. My point- the one about pots and kettles- holds regardless of content or ideology; if you do X, you don't get to then complain when someone else does X, whatever X happens to be. Picking and choosing quotes to attack. Lul. Cherry pick harder. What's wrong with that? If you're saying ridiculous things, calling them out is perfectly appropriate.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2017 17:02:20 GMT
You can keep repeating the same detritus whilst making the same inane comments and accusations all the while committing debate suicide. Knock yourself out. Your arguments go as far as comparing literal Nazis to people skeptical of the current PC narrative of the regressive left. That's not and argument, that's obfuscation. My argument, which apparently goes right over your head, is that that is a slippery slope and making the comparison is bad faith argumentation design to smear and degrade. See, the problem is you are illiterate. I didn't compare nazis do sjws. I said two things: 1. Not every anti-sjw is a white nationalist, but every white nationalist is an anti-sjw. Statement is TRUE. 2. The core ideas of "anti-sjw" and the white nationalists are somehow related (related to privileges and a fear or anger of the unknown or "outsiders") But you just ignore all that and say I'm saying anti-sjws are just like nazis, when I actually repeated a lot of times that they aren't and that I wasn't comparing people, but core ideas. I don't know if you do that on bad faith or if you're just illiterate (because you can't argue without copying fallacies from wikipedia), but I'm just going to ignore you from now on because trolls don't deserve attention. I don't think accusing him of illiteracy was actually necessary. Demonstrating it would be sufficient, wouldn't it? Everyone reading the thread can see what's going on.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 17:15:10 GMT
See, the problem is you are illiterate. I didn't compare nazis do sjws. I said two things: 1. Not every anti-sjw is a white nationalist, but every white nationalist is an anti-sjw. Statement is TRUE. 2. The core ideas of "anti-sjw" and the white nationalists are somehow related (related to privileges and a fear or anger of the unknown or "outsiders") But you just ignore all that and say I'm saying anti-sjws are just like nazis, when I actually repeated a lot of times that they aren't and that I wasn't comparing people, but core ideas. I don't know if you do that on bad faith or if you're just illiterate (because you can't argue without copying fallacies from wikipedia), but I'm just going to ignore you from now on because trolls don't deserve attention. I don't think accusing him of illiteracy was actually necessary. Demonstrating it would be sufficient, wouldn't it? Everyone reading the thread can see what's going on. Man, he insulted me the whole thread and didn't argue against anything I said, just lied. That's either illiteracy or bad faith (or both).
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 14, 2017 17:15:32 GMT
Are you quite done insulting each other or do you want to see this thread closed because of circular bickering? I didn't insult anyone.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2017 17:19:58 GMT
I don't think accusing him of illiteracy was actually necessary. Demonstrating it would be sufficient, wouldn't it? Everyone reading the thread can see what's going on. Man, he insulted me the whole thread and didn't argue against anything I said, just lied. That's either illiteracy or bad faith (or both). Sure. Everyone can see that. I'm just saying that you might as well stay above it -- precisely because everyone can see it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:22:25 GMT
Picking and choosing quotes to attack. Lul. Cherry pick harder. What's wrong with that? If you're saying ridiculous things, calling them out is perfectly appropriate. Sure, I'm ridiculous, not the guy using a terrorist attack to paint people in a bad light...
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 14, 2017 17:45:10 GMT
It's the blatant hypocrisy that's ridiculous. You're complaining about stuff that you're continually doing yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 17:55:45 GMT
It's the blatant hypocrisy that's ridiculous. You're complaining about stuff that you're continually doing yourself. I called a spade a spade. People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more. Am I supposed to debate with someone who wants to liken me to a Nazi or explain to them how I am indeed not a Nazi? Even though that itself is self-evident? Fuck. That.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 14, 2017 19:23:06 GMT
It's the blatant hypocrisy that's ridiculous. You're complaining about stuff that you're continually doing yourself. I called a spade a spade.People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more. Am I supposed to debate with someone who wants to liken me to a Nazi or explain to them how I am indeed not a Nazi? Even though that itself is self-evident? Fuck. That. So did Alan in this case. If someone really believed what you just said there, they wouldn't debate you because then everything you say would be invalidated. Trust me on that one. As it stands...I honestly think you are just talking over people instead of at them by the by, which does make it harder to engage civilly for others looking at the sort ridiculous ad hominems between the both of you. Same for anarchy.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 19:23:56 GMT
I called a spade a spade.People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more. Am I supposed to debate with someone who wants to liken me to a Nazi or explain to them how I am indeed not a Nazi? Even though that itself is self-evident? Fuck. That. So did Alan in this case. If someone really believed what you just said there, they wouldn't debate you because then everything you say would be invalidated. Trust me on that one. As it stands...I honestly think you are just talking over people instead of at them by the by, which does make it harder to engage civilly for others looking at the sort ridiculous ad hominems between the both of you. People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 14, 2017 19:25:11 GMT
So did Alan in this case. If someone really believed what you just said there, they wouldn't debate you because then everything you say would be invalidated. Trust me on that one. As it stands...I honestly think you are just talking over people instead of at them by the by, which does make it harder to engage civilly for others looking at the sort ridiculous ad hominems between the both of you. People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more.Repeating it doesn't change your own shortcomings in this discussion. That you need to square that yourself.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 14, 2017 19:27:39 GMT
Are you quite done insulting each other or do you want to see this thread closed because of circular bickering? I didn't insult anyone. Yes you did, a few times actually. And it doesn't help your argument either.
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Post by Guts on Aug 14, 2017 19:32:51 GMT
I've redacted some insults, no more of those, please. And yes, bans will arrive if any of that continues. In the meantime, we are discussing 'SJW influence', not any other political matters. Hey SofaJockey, at the rate some of this bullshit arguing is going, requesting that this thread be temporarily closed.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 19:36:31 GMT
People who are so shallow as to inject completely unrelated acts of terrorism into a discussion that essential boils down to TnA in videogames for the sake of some phyrric victory deserves only my ire and nothing more. Repeating it doesn't change your own shortcomings in this discussion. That you need to square that yourself. There is no discussion with such a person.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 14, 2017 19:37:26 GMT
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