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Post by vonuber on Aug 16, 2017 19:19:53 GMT
Your gifs usually aren't useful, just the already overdone method of trying to appear kewl for the gang. Hard to take them seriously. At least he really explained how he felt about the game's issues instead of pure cussing or follow some blind "positive only" circle-jerk. How do you know if they are useful of you don't watch them? This one clearly shows Cora being useful in a fight. I can easily get others to demonstrate the point. If anything the ai is an improvement from the MET; I've not had a companion get left behind in the level geometry all fight yet as seemed to happen all the time in ME2 and 3 (and yes I can post screenshots if you desire). Sure controlling companions is a loss to some people (and they should have kept it in most definitely), but I never did it anyway so I'm nuetral on it.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 16, 2017 19:48:31 GMT
I'd agree if the game was incomplete. It isn't. It's partially (even mostly) complete. Please tell me how the following events played out: 1. We learn there's a Mysterious Benefactor(s). Who is it? 2. Someone murdered Jien Garson. Who and why? 3. The quarians send out a message asking them to stay away. What happened to them and why would the AI be at risk if they went to that ark? 4. Ellen Ryder is alive. How do they get her out of cryo? These are significant plots that came about in MEA that have no resolution. If DLC were coming, I'd find that completely acceptable as a way of finishing these plots. However, it's looking less and less likely. BioWare's silence on the issue doesn't help matters. I'd be happy to be proven wrong with a DLC but I no longer believe it's happening. A good comparison to this is well really any L&O but for this example let's use SVU. Now I don't remember the name of the episode in question but just like this it had a plot and subplot. Main plot was finding out who murdered a lawyer. Sub plot was he was involved in an adoption scam that involved a couple who don't actually have their real child. What happened to the baby was never brought up as it wasn't the focus of the plot. Now in this case these examples are minor plot points or sub plots. Yes they should be resolved and hopefully in some way they will. However that doesn't equal bad planning or poor plot development.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 16, 2017 19:49:44 GMT
Your gifs usually aren't useful, just the already overdone method of trying to appear kewl for the gang. Hard to take them seriously. At least he really explained how he felt about the game's issues instead of pure cussing or follow some blind "positive only" circle-jerk. How do you know if they are useful of you don't watch them? This one clearly shows Cora being useful in a fight. I can easily get others to demonstrate the point. If anything the ai is an improvement from the MET; I've not had a companion get left behind in the level geometry all fight yet as seemed to happen all the time in ME2 and 3 (and yes I can post screenshots if you desire). Sure controlling companions is a loss to some people (and they should have kept it in most definitely), but I never did it anyway so I'm nuetral on it. Just ignore him. He's getting as bad as you know who. A side note however I wonder how many people who use that term (circle jerk) know what it means.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 16, 2017 19:50:31 GMT
How do you know if they are useful of you don't watch them? This one clearly shows Cora being useful in a fight. I can easily get others to demonstrate the point. If anything the ai is an improvement from the MET; I've not had a companion get left behind in the level geometry all fight yet as seemed to happen all the time in ME2 and 3 (and yes I can post screenshots if you desire). Sure controlling companions is a loss to some people (and they should have kept it in most definitely), but I never did it anyway so I'm nuetral on it. Just ignore him. He's getting as bad as you know who. A side note however I wonder how many people who use that term (circle jerk) know what it means. This forum is hardly a circle jerk.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 20:08:39 GMT
I love how Biodrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional but has many solid points regardless. It's as if you can have the right to blindly love the game, but not hate it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to not open the thread or post in it. So much salt. Get a thicker skin ffs. Depends though doesn't it? When I post a gif demonstrably proving one of his points wrong and he ignores it.. it's hard to take some of the 'solid points' seriously. I admire his effort though in taking the time to write it. A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. Funny how in another thread I showed pathetic dialogues from Liam but you said "4 dialogues don't prove his dialogues are shit", but now you post ONE gif and you said my entire point is wrong.
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Post by AnDromedary on Aug 16, 2017 20:36:56 GMT
I agree with pretty much all of the OP's points. Most of them didn't bother me quite as much as they did bother them and I did find the gameplay better, so I am rating the game higher (7/10 for me) but I can't say they don't make valid and good points in that post.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 16, 2017 21:04:27 GMT
Depends though doesn't it? When I post a gif demonstrably proving one of his points wrong and he ignores it.. it's hard to take some of the 'solid points' seriously. I admire his effort though in taking the time to write it. A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. Funny how in another thread I showed pathetic dialogues from Liam but you said "4 dialogues don't prove his dialogues are shit", but now you post ONE gif and you said my entire point is wrong. Aren't you a one man army in the MET? And Liam's dialogue is pretty good to me.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 16, 2017 21:05:54 GMT
I love how Biodrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional but has many solid points regardless. It's as if you can have the right to blindly love the game, but not hate it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to not open the thread or post in it. So much salt. Get a thicker skin ffs. Just because people disagree with the OP doesn't make them a biodrone.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 21:13:51 GMT
I love how Biodrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional but has many solid points regardless. It's as if you can have the right to blindly love the game, but not hate it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to not open the thread or post in it. So much salt. Get a thicker skin ffs. Just because people disagree with the OP doesn't make them a biodrone. I would classify pouf as a biodrone, but they seemed to have left the forums. (Thank god)
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 16, 2017 21:16:57 GMT
Depends though doesn't it? When I post a gif demonstrably proving one of his points wrong and he ignores it.. it's hard to take some of the 'solid points' seriously. I admire his effort though in taking the time to write it. A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. Funny how in another thread I showed pathetic dialogues from Liam but you said "4 dialogues don't prove his dialogues are shit", but now you post ONE gif and you said my entire point is wrong. Your post comes off like my kid does during a temper tantrum. It's why it's hard to take you seriously.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 16, 2017 21:19:04 GMT
A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. Funny how in another thread I showed pathetic dialogues from Liam but you said "4 dialogues don't prove his dialogues are shit", but now you post ONE gif and you said my entire point is wrong. Companions have always been varying degrees of useless. I'm surprised you had to cautiously choose your power choice in the MET given you can pretty much solo the game without too much trouble. I died more from setting up screenshots in all of the games than from every action. Hell there's an entire DLC where you solo every mission. The difference between this example and liam's dialogue is that here you make it an absolute- they are never any use, and I demostrated they were. If you want can post some of Liam's dialogue to prove the other point. Or how about some screenshots of the MEA squad doing stuff? Got plenty of those as well.
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Post by imarune on Aug 16, 2017 21:29:40 GMT
I love how BioHatedrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional, and has no solid points regardless (ME2 = 10/10, seriously?). It's as if you can have the right to blindly hate the game, but not love it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to say silly things. So much salt.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 16, 2017 22:00:19 GMT
Here you go anarchy65 , some more examples: Cora and Sara doing a simultaneous double team melee attack: A gif from tonight's play showing Drax and Cora helping out: Another snazzy Cora charge: Peebee shooting Krogan: Vetra murdering people: Miranda attacking a vicious wall miles behind everyone else: Miranda (again) deciding to shoot at the ceiling for no reason: (Unrelated to squad a.i., but I have just remembered Shep getting stuck in the cross pose - ME2 10/10) More than happy to continue if you want.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 16, 2017 22:37:54 GMT
Miranda shooting at a wall. I've had all the ME1 squadmates shoot at the wall a few times as well.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 23:23:50 GMT
A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. Funny how in another thread I showed pathetic dialogues from Liam but you said "4 dialogues don't prove his dialogues are shit", but now you post ONE gif and you said my entire point is wrong. Aren't you a one man army in the MET? And Liam's dialogue is pretty good to me. I personally don't think so. I played as a vanguard, which means in ME2 and 3 I had no real power to take down shields and armor except for incendiary ammo, so I had to carefully depend on well placed overloads/warps from my companions before I charged. Charging carelessly in MET could get you easily killed. In ME:A I don't really care, I can charge whenever I want and melee/shotgun in the face everything, because I can restore my shields by consumable or just jump away (or even use melee, which makes me unkillable for a short seconds and restore a portion of my shields)
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 23:29:02 GMT
Here you go anarchy65 , some more examples: Cora and Sara doing a simultaneous double team melee attack: A gif from tonight's play showing Drax and Cora helping out: Another snazzy Cora charge: Peebee shooting Krogan: Vetra murdering people: Miranda attacking a vicious wall miles behind everyone else: Miranda (again) deciding to shoot at the ceiling for no reason: (Unrelated to squad a.i., but I have just remembered Shep getting stuck in the cross pose - ME2 10/10) More than happy to continue if you want. It's funny you showing it, because the gif clearly shows you making most of the damage and your companions just finishing off when his life was almost ending. The others are just generic pictures of companions attacking. I didn't say they don't attack, I just said their damage is laughable, and since you can't give them commands, you can't use them to take down specific enemies with armor/shields. That becomes especially true when you have to kill enemies that can only be attacked at specific moments, like the destroyer (can't remember if that was the name) or the Architect. In MET, like I said, I had to use my companions power to take down enemies with shields/armor. In this game, if you face a fiend, for example, you have to count mostly with your own powers and gun.
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 16, 2017 23:33:42 GMT
It's partially (even mostly) complete. Please tell me how the following events played out: 1. We learn there's a Mysterious Benefactor(s). Who is it? 2. Someone murdered Jien Garson. Who and why? 3. The quarians send out a message asking them to stay away. What happened to them and why would the AI be at risk if they went to that ark? 4. Ellen Ryder is alive. How do they get her out of cryo? These are significant plots that came about in MEA that have no resolution. If DLC were coming, I'd find that completely acceptable as a way of finishing these plots. However, it's looking less and less likely. BioWare's silence on the issue doesn't help matters. I'd be happy to be proven wrong with a DLC but I no longer believe it's happening. A good comparison to this is well really any L&O but for this example let's use SVU. Now I don't remember the name of the episode in question but just like this it had a plot and subplot. Main plot was finding out who murdered a lawyer. Sub plot was he was involved in an adoption scam that involved a couple who don't actually have their real child. What happened to the baby was never brought up as it wasn't the focus of the plot. Now in this case these examples are minor plot points or sub plots. Yes they should be resolved and hopefully in some way they will. However that doesn't equal bad planning or poor plot development. No, but I didn't say it was bad planning or poor plot development. I actually believe they planned to resolve all of it. However, they have since (apparently) decided not to follow up on it. For the record, I might have felt similarly about things in the MET but by the time I played, ME3 had been out for 4 years.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 23:36:26 GMT
I love how BioHatedrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional, and has no solid points regardless (ME2 = 10/10, seriously?). It's as if you can have the right to blindly hate the game, but not love it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to say silly things. So much salt. Being emotional doesn't make me wrong. Yes, I tend to write with emotion when I really don't like something, but I think I have, yes, provided solid arguments. And man, ME2 was one of the most praised games of all times. Won many GOTY awards (I bet ME:A won't even be nominated) and has a score of 94 (96 on Xbox) on Metacritic reviewers (professional reviewers, not users). ME2 is a game that make standards. Every new game Bioware designs, people ask "will there be a final mission like in ME2?". I remember people asking this when ME3 was released and when DA:I was released.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 16, 2017 23:40:25 GMT
I made a trolley post about this issue to Iakus the other day...and sadly he did not take the bait.
The only bad thing i noticed about squad AI in the game was the unfortunate tendancy to hunker down and not engage the enemy unless ordered to do so. And sure they were pretty useless in Combat while Ryder was a juggernaut of destruction in MEA...but then that happened in the OT. And i rarely ever opened the power wheel. And Shepard had pretty much a three power limit. And when i tell my squad to do things they do it into MEA. My favorite examples were telling Drack...when he was in the party...to go after big armored targets...and when i charge into battle i often have Cora go in front of me.
And sure they trimmed down the tactical options for the squad...no power wheel...but they greatly enhanced the options Ryder has in battle.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 16, 2017 23:41:02 GMT
I made a trolley post about this issue to Iakus the other day...and sadly he did not take the bait.
The only bad thing i noticed about squad AI in the game was the unfortunate tendancy to hunker down and not engage the enemy unless ordered to do so. And sure they were pretty useless in Combat while Ryder was a juggernaut of destruction in MEA...but then that happened in the OT. And i rarely ever opened the power wheel. And Shepard had pretty much a three power limit. And when i tell my squad to do things they do it into MEA. My favorite examples were telling Drack...when he was in the party...to go after big armored targets...and when i charge into battle i often have Cora go in front of me.
And sure they trimmed down the tactical options for the squad...no power wheel...but they greatly enhanced the options Ryder has in battle.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 16, 2017 23:45:36 GMT
It's funny you showing it, because the gif clearly shows you making most of the damage and your companions just finishing off when his life was almost ending. Mainly because they were killing the other kett in the room. As has been pointed out to you by others as well, in both MET and MEA squadmates are largely superfluous as both Shep and Ryder are one woman armies.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 23:56:26 GMT
It's funny you showing it, because the gif clearly shows you making most of the damage and your companions just finishing off when his life was almost ending. Mainly because they were killing the other kett in the room. As has been pointed out to you by others as well, in both MET and MEA squadmates are largely superfluous as both Shep and Ryder are one woman armies. And, as I have pointed out, the fact that you could give companions the order to take down specific enemies' weapons and armor already make them more useful than any companions in ME:A, it's not only about AI. I can give another example: When you face shielded enemies in ME3 (I'm not talking about kinetic shields, I'm talking about real shield, cerberus enemies), you had to use some sort of biotic powers to take down their shield or just shoot them in the foot. Or charge to make them briefly vulnerable.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 23:58:09 GMT
Depends though doesn't it? When I post a gif demonstrably proving one of his points wrong and he ignores it.. it's hard to take some of the 'solid points' seriously. I admire his effort though in taking the time to write it. A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. I don't check you on this. My Ryders seem to do about 55% of the killing on average. Much better than the squadmates, but no better than my Shepards did. And I didn't have to cautiously choose which powers my companions used in the trilogy, though I sometimes would for fun. Of course, maybe I'm just that much better than you, but in general, I think I'm a pretty shit shooter player.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 0:18:01 GMT
A gif doesn't prove an entire point wrong. Most of the time your companions are shit and you do most of the killing. On previous games, I had to cautiously choose which of my companions should use their powers and when and on who. Now they just do it mostly randomly. Sure, sometimes they use their powers, like in your gif, in my game Peebee would sometimes use singularity, but that was it. Their damage shooting is laughable. Sometimes they don't even shoot. Against a "boss" like a fiend, an architect or even an ascendant, they're completely useless, most of the times they just take some life from the minions. I don't check you on this. My Ryders seem to do about 55% of the killing on average. Much better than the squadmates, but no better than my Shepards did. And I didn't have to cautiously choose which powers my companions used in the trilogy, though I sometimes would for fun. Of course, maybe I'm just that much better than you, but in general, I think I'm a pretty shit shooter player. As I said, when you were facing heavily-shielded or heavy armored enemies, or enemies that required a specific approach (like those guys with a shield from Cerberus) your companions' powers had to be used, especially because I played as a vanguard, which have no real power against armor or shield. Vanguard especially required a good use of companions' powers because if you charged carelessly it could end in a quick death. I'm a pretty poor shooter player as well, mainly because aside from Mass Effect, I don't play shooter games. I don't doubt many players could solo the entire MET without ever using companions' powers, but that doesn't change the point that the fact you could actually use them against specific enemies already make them more useful than in ME:A. And as a pretty poor shooter player, I found ME:A to be laughable easy, especially because of consumables.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 17, 2017 0:18:19 GMT
I love how Biodrones are reacting to the post, which is overly emotional but has many solid points regardless. It's as if you can have the right to blindly love the game, but not hate it... for some reason? Seriously, it's very easy to not open the thread or post in it. So much salt. Get a thicker skin ffs. Just because people disagree with the OP doesn't make them a biodrone. If you're that bothered of it you're probably guilty of it.
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