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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 16:29:16 GMT
Yeah me too. I replayed the trilogy prior to Andromeda and I can say it's not better than Andromeda. So many issues plague ME1. What are the MANY issues that plague it? I still play ME1 on occasion for the pc and haven't had any problems worth mentioning much less be plagued by. To this day I still believe that ME1 had the better story line across all 4 games but not much else. Let's see off the top of my head. Graphics issues and I don't mean dated graphics. There is a glitch that occurs both on the 360 version and pc that makes Garrus's face blurred. Only fixable with a mod MEUTM. There are other texture and mesh issues only fixable by modding. Mako. The Mako in many ways is worse than the Hammerhead. Gameplay is horrible compared to the other entries. Story is decent and that is the only reason I still play it.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2017 16:34:59 GMT
I'm losing the thread here. Is it your position that ME:A should have required Ryder to have weaknesses that she needs the squadmates to cover, but doesn't? We were discussing if in MET companions were more useful or not. My point is the fact that you can choose when and on who your companions use their powers already make them far more useful than in ME:A. OK. Your case seems to really depend on deficiencies in your playstyle, though. Since I don't have those, I find the companions more useful in ME:A, where they shoot and melee better.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 16:38:41 GMT
I never had any graphic glitches with the first Mass Effect. The only bad glitch I had was with weapons overheating and the bar remains full, forcing me to go for another weapon. The Mako is better than the Nomad. At least it could climb without having to drastically reduce its' speed. And it could shoot things. Gameplay, for a 2007 game, was also ok. Story was very good, and Sovereign and Saren were good villains. Only the characters were not that appealing, but they made up for it in ME2. I'd give ME1 an 8/10.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 16:40:33 GMT
We were discussing if in MET companions were more useful or not. My point is the fact that you can choose when and on who your companions use their powers already make them far more useful than in ME:A. OK. Your case seems to really depend on deficiencies in your playstyle, though. Since I don't have those, I find the companions more useful in ME:A, where they shoot and melee better. No, it doesn't. As I said, there are enemies where you need companions to take down their shields/armor. That's not up to discussion, that's a FACT. You can, obviously, defeat a heavy mech alone, but companions ARE MORE USEFUL in defeating a heavy mech in ME2 or ME3 than in ME:A because YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR POWERS. Geez, is that so hard to understand?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 16:40:54 GMT
What are the MANY issues that plague it? I still play ME1 on occasion for the pc and haven't had any problems worth mentioning much less be plagued by. To this day I still believe that ME1 had the better story line across all 4 games but not much else. Let's see off the top of my head. Graphics issues and I don't mean dated graphics. There is a glitch that occurs both on the 360 version and pc that makes Garrus's face blurred. Only fixable with a mod MEUTM. There are other texture and mesh issues only fixable by modding. Mako. The Mako in many ways is worse than the Hammerhead. Gameplay is horrible compared to the other entries. Story is decent and that is the only reason I still play it. And everything you just stated can be laid at Andromeda's feet as well. I can't see how 1 texture (Garrus) and the Mako vs Hammerhead mechanics equals a plague of issues? Again, I play on the pc with graphics fully maxed and haven't come across any real issues. Andromeda has had FAR more problems than ME1 easily.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 16:42:47 GMT
Let's see off the top of my head. Graphics issues and I don't mean dated graphics. There is a glitch that occurs both on the 360 version and pc that makes Garrus's face blurred. Only fixable with a mod MEUTM. There are other texture and mesh issues only fixable by modding. Mako. The Mako in many ways is worse than the Hammerhead. Gameplay is horrible compared to the other entries. Story is decent and that is the only reason I still play it. And everything you just stated can be laid at Andromeda's feet as well. I can't see how 1 texture (Garrus) and the Mako vs Hammerhead mechanics equals a plague of issues? Again, I play on the pc with graphics fully maxed and haven't come across any real issues. Andromeda has had FAR more problems than ME1 easily. I don't agree at all and it's not just Garrus whose texture is bad. Udina is worse and is unfixable.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 16:47:02 GMT
Haha, seriously, denying that ME:A has far more technical problems (at least on release) than ME1 is laughable. At release I couldn't even play the game, because it would crash every time I went to the Nexus, and it had huge fps drops, especially during cutscenes
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2017 16:48:29 GMT
OK. Your case seems to really depend on deficiencies in your playstyle, though. Since I don't have those, I find the companions more useful in ME:A, where they shoot and melee better. No, it doesn't. As I said, there are enemies where you need companions to take down their shields/armor. That's not up to discussion, that's a FACT. You can, obviously, defeat a heavy mech alone, but companions ARE MORE USEFUL in defeating a heavy mech in ME2 or ME3 than in ME:A because YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR POWERS. Geez, is that so hard to understand? Haven"t people already told you that it isn't a fact? Several times, actually. I'll stipulate that it is a fact for a weak Vanguard player early in a first-playthrough game, if you like. (In the late game you'll have access to anti-shield bonus abilities.) I don't see how we get there with other classes even with weak play.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 16:49:19 GMT
And everything you just stated can be laid at Andromeda's feet as well. I can't see how 1 texture (Garrus) and the Mako vs Hammerhead mechanics equals a plague of issues? Again, I play on the pc with graphics fully maxed and haven't come across any real issues. Andromeda has had FAR more problems than ME1 easily. I don't agree at all and it's not just Garrus whose texture is bad. Udina is worse and is unfixable. Regardless if you agree with me or not I feel this is an objective fact. If you compare the texture and mesh problems from both games Andromeda has far more problems even after the patches. That's with me comparing these 2 games today and not with the 10 year difference between them. I like Andromeda but I feel your looking at it with some rose colored glasses.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 16:53:29 GMT
No, it doesn't. As I said, there are enemies where you need companions to take down their shields/armor. That's not up to discussion, that's a FACT. You can, obviously, defeat a heavy mech alone, but companions ARE MORE USEFUL in defeating a heavy mech in ME2 or ME3 than in ME:A because YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER THEIR POWERS. Geez, is that so hard to understand? Haven"t people already told you that it isn't a fact? Several times, actually. I'll stipulate that it is a fact for a weak Vanguard player early in a first-playthrough game, if you like. (In the late game you'll have access to anti-shield bonus abilities.) I don't see how we get there with other classes even with weak play. And I already proved them wrong. Even if you do have an anti-shield power or anti-armor power, you'll still have more than one enemy with armor/shield (take for example Garrus loyalty mission, where you have to face two heavy mechs). Now what's the utility of your companions on a fight against an Architect, a destroyer (can't remember the name, the remnant you can only shoot when it opens it's chest), or an ascendant? ZERO.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 16:56:19 GMT
To make it very clear: The fact that you can solo MET without using companions' powers DOESN'T MAKE THEM USELESS. It just means YOU CHOSE not to use them. In ME:A you don't have the choice, thus, they're useless.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 17:06:52 GMT
I don't agree at all and it's not just Garrus whose texture is bad. Udina is worse and is unfixable. Regardless if you agree with me or not I feel this is an objective fact. If you compare the texture and mesh problems from both games Andromeda has far more problems even after the patches. That's with me comparing these 2 games today and not with the 10 year difference between them. I like Andromeda but I feel your looking at it with some rose colored glasses. *looks at glasses* nope. I don't see any real glaring issues especially post patch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:14:05 GMT
Regardless if you agree with me or not I feel this is an objective fact. If you compare the texture and mesh problems from both games Andromeda has far more problems even after the patches. That's with me comparing these 2 games today and not with the 10 year difference between them. I like Andromeda but I feel your looking at it with some rose colored glasses. *looks at glasses* nope. I don't see any real glaring issues especially post patch. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say...
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2017 17:19:42 GMT
To make it very clear: The fact that you can solo MET without using companions' powers DOESN'T MAKE THEM USELESS. It just means YOU CHOSE not to use them. In ME:A you don't have the choice, thus, they're useless. This makes no sense. The companions are always there in ME:A, doing and taking damage. That's not useless. They're better at this than the MET squadmates were. ME:A squadmates can't be quite as easily used to solve specific problems with my playstyle or build, yes. (They can take down shields, prime, and detonate, but you do have to wait a few seconds for them to do it.)
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 17:23:34 GMT
To make it very clear: The fact that you can solo MET without using companions' powers DOESN'T MAKE THEM USELESS. It just means YOU CHOSE not to use them. In ME:A you don't have the choice, thus, they're useless. This makes no sense. The companions are always there in ME:A, doing and taking damage. That's not useless. They're better at this than the MET squadmates were. ME:A squadmates can't be quite as easily used to solve specific problems with my playstyle or build, yes. (They can take down shields, prime, and detonate, but you do have to wait a few seconds for them to do it.) Taking damage is mostly all they're worth. Damage they only help if it's melee, and even then their damage is pretty low. Try finding some use to them against one of the enemies I listed. I think the greatest use I had for companions was listening when they screamed something like "behind you!" or "aim for the Architect's head!"
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 17:36:17 GMT
*looks at glasses* nope. I don't see any real glaring issues especially post patch. Ignorance is bliss, or so they say... I don't see the issue you do so I'm ignorant. I didn't insult you there was no need to insult me.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2017 17:36:26 GMT
This makes no sense. The companions are always there in ME:A, doing and taking damage. That's not useless. They're better at this than the MET squadmates were. ME:A squadmates can't be quite as easily used to solve specific problems with my playstyle or build, yes. (They can take down shields, prime, and detonate, but you do have to wait a few seconds for them to do it.) Taking damage is mostly all they're worth. Damage they only help if it's melee, and even then their damage is pretty low. Try finding some use to them against one of the enemies I listed. I think the greatest use I had for companions was listening when they screamed something like "behind you!" or "aim for the Architect's head!" Have you checked your gameplay stats? My ME:A companions are doing plenty of damage. Again, the question isn't whether they do as much damage as the PC, because ME companions never have. The question is what percentage companions do relative to the PC. In ME:A, they do more than they did in the trilogy. As for the enemies you listed, my companions attack those just fine. I don't know what your problem is.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 17, 2017 17:36:41 GMT
When I fought one of the kett-in-a-bubble thing, I didn't fire at all. I let the squadmates do that. I just had them focus on the orb. It took a very long time for them to destroy the orb to be able to fire at the kett. In the trilogy, especially in ME3, both squadmates can take down an atlas/prime/banshee very quickly. Even on insanity mode. Heck. I saw Ashley take down a harvester in London within a couple of seconds without me even directing her to fire at it.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 17, 2017 17:40:11 GMT
When I fought one of the kett-in-a-bubble thing, I didn't fire at all. I let the squadmates do that. I just had them focus on the orb. It took a very long time for them to destroy the orb to be able to fire at the kett. In the trilogy, especially in ME3, both squadmates can take down an atlas/prime/banshee very quickly. Even on insanity mode. Heck. I saw Ashley take down a harvester in London within a couple of seconds without me even directing her to fire at it. I've seen them take out orbs. Although IIRC it's typically with melee or quasi-melee attacks -- it may be that the AI isn't set up to handle the LOS requirements for a target that keeps circling around cover.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 17:42:29 GMT
Ignorance is bliss, or so they say... I don't see the issue you do so I'm ignorant. I didn't insult you there was no need to insult me. ig·no·rance ˈiɡnərəns/Submit noun noun: ignorance lack of knowledge or information. "he acted in ignorance of basic procedures" synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; informalcluelessness about Unless your just very sensitive. It wasn't meant as one.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 17:49:20 GMT
I don't see the issue you do so I'm ignorant. I didn't insult you there was no need to insult me. ig·no·rance ˈiɡnərəns/Submit noun noun: ignorance lack of knowledge or information. "he acted in ignorance of basic procedures" synonyms: incomprehension of, unawareness of, unconsciousness of, unfamiliarity with, inexperience with, lack of knowledge about, lack of information about; informalcluelessness about Unless your just very sensitive. It wasn't meant as one. Only thing I'm sensitive about is people not realizing different opinions exist. The game had issues at launch most of which are gone. I've been here since launch and am very aware of the issues. The fact is some of them (plot, characters, gameplay) are opinion based and not true issues.
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Only thing I'm sensitive about is people not realizing different opinions exist. The game had issues at launch most of which are gone. I've been here since launch and am very aware of the issues. The fact is some of them (plot, characters, gameplay) are opinion based and not true issues. And I never said anything about plot, characters and game play which is a matter of opinion true. I merely pointed out your statement of "So many issues plague ME1" as being wrong when followed up by " Garrus/Udina's facial textures and Mako vs Hammerhead" being used as the plague element of said issues especially when compared to Andromeda. The main issues plaguing ME1 is the abominations that are its controls and mechanics...
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And I never said anything about plot, characters and game play which is a matter of opinion true. I merely pointed out your statement of "So many issues plague ME1" as being wrong when followed up by " Garrus/Udina's facial textures and Mako vs Hammerhead" being used as the plague element of said issues especially when compared to Andromeda. The main issues plaguing ME1 is the abominations that are its controls and mechanics... This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 17, 2017 18:24:42 GMT
The main issues plaguing ME1 is the abominations that are its controls and mechanics... This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. Whatever it takes to make Andromeda look better than it is, if that means comparing it to a ten year old game, so be it. That mindset has been ongoing since that first 6/10 from Gamespot was released.
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