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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:25:07 GMT
The main issues plaguing ME1 is the abominations that are its controls and mechanics... This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place.
General opinion seems to be that the most fair comparison as far as OT vs new shit goes is that ME1 vs. ME:A is the most fair comparision, and in the control and mechanics department, ME:A wins hands down, imo. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 17, 2017 18:26:35 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. Whatever it takes to make Andromeda look better than it is, if that means comparing it to a ten year old game, so be it. That mindset has been ongoing since that first 6/10 from Gamespot was released. Or maybe they feel that there are some elements ME: A did better than ME1. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:27:20 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. Whatever it takes to make Andromeda look better than it is, if that means comparing it to a ten year old game, so be it. That mindset has been ongoing since that first 6/10 from Gamespot was released. Age does not excuse a game from having bad controls and mechanics. Super Metroid released in 1994 and has amazing controls, mechanics, and gameplay. |
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Post by fraggle on Aug 17, 2017 18:41:40 GMT
I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
Hm, despite the clunkyness of ME1 I enjoy it more than MEA. And I find the Mako superior to the Nomad. But I guess something must be wrong with me  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:42:35 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place.
General opinion seems to be that the most fair comparison as far as OT vs new shit goes is that ME1 vs. ME:A is the most fair comparision, and in the control and mechanics department, ME:A wins hands down, imo. I have no problem at all admitting ME:A has better controls and mechanics than ME1 but it should with 10 years worth of development between them. Is it really fair to compare a 2007 vs 2017 game but people get really but hurt when comparing 2 current gen games (TW3 to Andromeda) in overall texture, mesh and graphical design? From an esports perspective I would imagine that ME:A is pretty lacking when compared to Destiny, Battlefield, PlayerUnkown, Overwatch,etc... All those games being far more current. Yet comparing Andromeda to ME1 is somehow a good thing? |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2017 18:45:54 GMT
The main issues plaguing ME1 is the abominations that are its controls and mechanics... This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. speaking broadly ME 1 and MEA were both the first installments off their respective series. And while it is fair to compare MEA to the later games...or even the trilogy as a whole...its much more appropriate to compare it to ME 1 because they did a lot of the same things. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 17, 2017 18:46:55 GMT
Whatever it takes to make Andromeda look better than it is, if that means comparing it to a ten year old game, so be it. That mindset has been ongoing since that first 6/10 from Gamespot was released. Age does not excuse a game from having bad controls and mechanics. Super Metroid released in 1994 and has amazing controls, mechanics, and gameplay. Whatever it takes. Maybe there's some Atari games you'd like to compare Andromeda with - Andromeda's graphics and controls are assuredly waaay better! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:47:44 GMT
I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
Hm, despite the clunkyness of ME1 I enjoy it more than MEA. And I find the Mako superior to the Nomad. But I guess something must be wrong with me It's all opinion. ME1's clunkyness kills it for me and the Mako gives me heart palpataions. To each their own. This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako.I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place.
General opinion seems to be that the most fair comparison as far as OT vs new shit goes is that ME1 vs. ME:A is the most fair comparision, and in the control and mechanics department, ME:A wins hands down, imo. I have no problem at all admitting ME:A has better controls and mechanics than ME1 but it should with 10 years worth of development between them. Is it really fair to compare a 2007 vs 2017 game but people get really but hurt when comparing 2 current gen games (TW3 to Andromeda) in overall texture, mesh and graphical design? From an esports perspective I would imagine that ME:A is pretty lacking when compared to Destiny, Battlefield, PlayerUnkown, Overwatch,etc... All those games being far more current. Yet comparing Andromeda to ME1 is somehow a good thing? Super Metroid, a game the released in 1994, has controls, mechanics, and gameplay that stomps on a lot of modern day titles. I don't think age is a relevant qualifier unless we are talking graphics. As far as esports goes, no game compare to CS:GO. None even come close. ME:A has very fluid mechanics that please me as a twitch shooter fan while ME1's mechanics are clumsy and slow, which ruins it for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:48:53 GMT
Age does not excuse a game from having bad controls and mechanics. Super Metroid released in 1994 and has amazing controls, mechanics, and gameplay. Whatever it takes. Maybe there's some Atari games you'd like to compare Andromeda with - Andromeda's graphics and controls are assuredly waaay better! Super Metroid is widely regarded as the best game of all time by the same game critics who's opinions hold so much worth to you. Also, Super Metroid is a better game then ME:A. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2017 18:51:45 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako.I come from a competitive/esports background, so controls and mechanics need to be close to flawless for me not to complain. I have talked about this in depth before, but to keep it concise, ME1 fails in the controls and mechanics departments for several reasons, like: - Poor cover mechanics
- Poor weapon handling
- General movement issues
- Mako in basically all aspects
- Wonky inventory managment
- Overheat mechanic that is able to be broken
There is more, but I don't feel like writing a novel here.
To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place.
General opinion seems to be that the most fair comparison as far as OT vs new shit goes is that ME1 vs. ME:A is the most fair comparision, and in the control and mechanics department, ME:A wins hands down, imo. I have no problem at all admitting ME:A has better controls and mechanics than ME1 but it should with 10 years worth of development between them. Is it really fair to compare a 2007 vs 2017 game but people get really but hurt when comparing 2 current gen games (TW3 to Andromeda) in overall texture, mesh and graphical design? From an esports perspective I would imagine that ME:A is pretty lacking when compared to Destiny, Battlefield, PlayerUnkown, Overwatch,etc... All those games being far more current. Yet comparing Andromeda to ME1 is somehow a good thing? I have no problem comparing it to its contemporaries. TW 3 or DAI even. MEA holds up very well to both. |
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 18:52:01 GMT
Age does not excuse a game from having bad controls and mechanics. Super Metroid released in 1994 and has amazing controls, mechanics, and gameplay. Whatever it takes. Maybe there's some Atari games you'd like to compare Andromeda with - Andromeda's graphics and controls are assuredly waaay better! 007 Goldeneye won goty and Mass Effect Andromeda has better shooting gameplay! Hah! Your argument is invalid, you strawman! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:52:18 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. speaking broadly ME 1 and MEA were both the first installments off their respective series. And while it is fair to compare MEA to the later games...or even the trilogy as a whole...its much more appropriate to compare it to ME 1 because they did a lot of the same things. But its truly not. It's really just a 4th installment with a different engine and a lot of the same resources. You can compare it story wise from a new world perspective sure but from an over all game play one is reaching. Its had 10 years to refine said game play. |
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 18:52:45 GMT
I have no problem at all admitting ME:A has better controls and mechanics than ME1 but it should with 10 years worth of development between them. Is it really fair to compare a 2007 vs 2017 game but people get really but hurt when comparing 2 current gen games (TW3 to Andromeda) in overall texture, mesh and graphical design? From an esports perspective I would imagine that ME:A is pretty lacking when compared to Destiny, Battlefield, PlayerUnkown, Overwatch,etc... All those games being far more current. Yet comparing Andromeda to ME1 is somehow a good thing? I have no problem comparing it to its contemporaries. TW 3 or DAI even. MEA holds up very well to both. Hahahahahaha, seriously, comparing ME:A against TW3 it would be like comparing Justin Bieber against Michael Jackson. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:54:05 GMT
I have no problem comparing it to its contemporaries. TW 3 or DAI even. MEA holds up very well to both. Hahahahahaha, seriously, comparing ME:A against TW3 it would be like comparing Justin Bieber against Michael Jackson. So both are shit? |
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 18:55:10 GMT
Compare ME:A to games actually similar in quality: No Man's Sky, Tony Hawks 5, Battlefield: Hardline, The Order: 1886, etc.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2017 18:55:34 GMT
I have no problem comparing it to its contemporaries. TW 3 or DAI even. MEA holds up very well to both. Hahahahahaha, seriously, comparing ME:A against TW3 it would be like comparing Justin Bieber against Michael Jackson. ...you have no idea how accurate this is. (Granted i consider both of them pretty horrible). More like comparing John Williams to Trevor Morris. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 18:57:45 GMT
Compare ME:A to games actually similar in quality: No Man's Sky, Tony Hawks 5, Battlefield: Hardline, The Order: 1886, etc. Super Metroid is quality of the highest order. |
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 18:59:04 GMT
Hahahahahaha, seriously, comparing ME:A against TW3 it would be like comparing Justin Bieber against Michael Jackson. ...you have no idea how accurate this is. (Granted i consider both of them pretty horrible). More like comparing John Williams to Trevor Morris. Even if you don't like Michael Jackson (I'm not a fan either), saying he's the same as Justin Bieber is pretty stupid. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2017 19:00:41 GMT
...you have no idea how accurate this is. (Granted i consider both of them pretty horrible). More like comparing John Williams to Trevor Morris. Even if you don't like Michael Jackson (I'm not a fan either), saying he's the same as Justin Bieber is pretty stupid. I view their music to have pretty much the same quality as one another. |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 17, 2017 19:11:32 GMT
Hell if anything i give MEA the slight advantage over TW 3.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 19:27:05 GMT
Hell if anything i give MEA the slight advantage over TW 3. From a gameplay perspective (TW3's combat was horrible) I have to agree but I'd be damned if the characters overall interactions and facial graphics weren't almost god like. |
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 17, 2017 19:31:43 GMT
Hell if anything i give MEA the slight advantage over TW 3. Good thing people that actually understand about quality don't agree with you. While TW3 will make its' name on history (it's the game with most goty awards in the history of videogames), just as Michael Jackson, ME:A and Justin Bieber will soon be forgotten and dismissed as the shits they are. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 17, 2017 19:37:24 GMT
Whatever it takes. Maybe there's some Atari games you'd like to compare Andromeda with - Andromeda's graphics and controls are assuredly waaay better! Super Metroid is widely regarded as the best game of all time by the same game critics who's opinions hold so much worth to you. Also, Super Metroid is a better game then ME:A. Then why are you comparing it to Andromeda? You should be comparing Andromeda to its metacritic peers, like Psychonauts in the Rhombus of Ruin, and Kitty Powers' Matchmaker (although the latter received better reviews than Andromeda so that might not be fair either). |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 19:42:02 GMT
This is a very broad statement. What exactly is the abomination in the controls and mechanics? The shooter aspects are very identical with minor tweaks through out the series including Andromeda. The powers are different sure but haven't really been in question and most certainly not an abomination. The biggest knock against ME1 was its lack of better loot later on, the inventory system and the mako. To me it seems ( and I'm not generally applying this to you ) that people who really like Andromeda for some reason don't want ME1 to be looked at favorably. The forums have this ME1 vs Andromeda type feel to it that seems odd and out of place. Whatever it takes to make Andromeda look better than it is, if that means comparing it to a ten year old game, so be it. That mindset has been ongoing since that first 6/10 from Gamespot was released. No it's called opinions. Might want to look that word up. |
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