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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 20:31:16 GMT
No, PC and consoles. It was an original console title, actually. I'll keep a lookout for it then. It's really old though. It was the last actual BioWARE title before it got sold to EA. The graphics will be dated, and the protagonist - unvoiced. But it is incredibly bright, the landscapes, the story, the characters, the dialogues, the creatures... I just started replaying it before MEA, and still want to replay it once I can pull myself away from my "finish this, finish that, get your head out of the grind-mind" in the newer games.
I loved BG franchise to bits, and so I did the ME franchise, KOTOR/SWTOR is awesome in my books, and I am following the DA, but JE is that paradise lost of gaming that I would never experience again. JE is the same for me as ME2 seem to be for a lot of people. Nothing compares to that rose memory of playing it.
It is also a stand-alone game, the only one they've made that was all held in one cup, no repeats, no sequels, no revisions. As is. Just that one story, just those one cast of characters and that world.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 18, 2017 20:36:33 GMT
That's not even close to what I said. Your reading comprehension needs work as you continuously misinterpret my posts. I actually quoted the wrong post what I meant to quote is: Seeing users come to the light and realize that the game is actually very mediocre is very satisfying. My hate for the game, based on my love for Mass Effect as a series, will allow me to stay on this forum until everyone else that loves the game has long left. Do you have proof for that? Anyway I have a good idea of what most of your posts say. You want proof that I'll be here at the end when everyone has left? Well that's just a waiting game. And a weird thing to want "proof" for. Will boil down to whether or not I hate the game more than you love it. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 18, 2017 20:39:12 GMT
I'll keep a lookout for it then. It's really old though. It was the last actual BioWARE title before it got sold to EA. The graphics will be dated, and the protagonist - unvoiced. But it is incredibly bright, the landscapes, the story, the characters, the dialogues, the creatures... I just started replaying it before MEA, and still want to replay it once I can pull myself away from my "finish this, finish that, get your head out of the grind-mind" in the newer games. Yeah, I originally bought it when it came out on the original XBox and have a digital copy of the game on my XBox 360 Hard Drive. I believe there is a PC focused "Special Edition" that's available either on Steam or can be picked up on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Jade-Empire-Xbox/dp/B0006ZJPSC/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1503088640&sr=8-1&keywords=jade+empirewww.amazon.com/Jade-Empire-Special/dp/B000J165AO/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1503088640&sr=8-5&keywords=jade+empire |
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Post by colfoley on Aug 18, 2017 20:42:53 GMT
on the other hand that likely portends a return to the MW. Or a different team of writers which means the next game could vary wildly in quality. Not necessarily. It was Hudson's idea to go to a new galaxy, so we would likely return to Andromeda. As far as the writers are concerned, as long as Drew Karpyshyn is involved, I'd be happy. He is a master when it comes to world building, and I could see him truly flesh out Andromeda in a way that does the franchise justice. I'm not sure who the Creative Director on the project would be, as I'm not sure how directly involved Casey Hudson would be. Mac Walters is still hanging around, but perhaps there are other possibilities. Whoever it is, they need to have a consistent vision that's workable and manageable. The MEA leadership had too much chaos and uncertainty for too long in the project's production phase. i could see that. Though Drew needs a good team around .for the character and plot stuff. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 20:43:00 GMT
It was free on origin some time ago, so I DL'd it during that time, and that's the version I've last played. Which is I think the SE.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 18, 2017 20:46:53 GMT
I absolutely agree with you that DA is taking up the same niche as JE would, but the thing is that the lore created for JE was extremely rich, vs DA is using itself up. User fatigue, as much as folks are not willing to admit it lumping it up under the "bad writing" and "safe choices" did contribute to Andromeda not being a successful release. I am pretty sure that it will be my reaction to DA4 (and already was to DA3) b/c I never was particularly fond of the setting, and I am already tired in advance at the thought of 100 more hours of Fade, Templars and mages.
Anthem imo is coming to replace the ME. Something has to be there to replace DA, and they are sitting on the IP for JE, and it is something that is novel and can easily be expanded into the contact with the West via Central Asia-like setting easily enough.
The monster compendium is outstanding, the artwork potential is endless with JE, and it is novel & can be moved in the timeline with a reboot without aggravating the fanbase at all. As you said, most of us either did not play it, or were not pissed at it.
Perhaps, the time will come for JE rebirth, before gambling on another ME. Or so I wish to believe, but my faith does not require you to believe what I believe.
I actually think Jade Empire, as a universe, is far more interesting than Dragon Age. Unfortunately, Jade Empire just came at a bad time. It was released on the original Xbox, was met with a lukewarm response, and then was later ported to PC two years later. I had an original Xbox, so I was able to enjoy KOTOR and JE, as they were originally exclusives to the original Xbox. I was tired of the templar vs mages conflict after DAO... No idea why BioWare felt compelled to make that one of the major issues for three games... Going to Tevinter, we know the templar and mage issue is going to crop up again, given Tevinter is run by mages that use blood magic. I'm still looking forward to DA4, but that universe is in some serious need of new blood (no pun intended) and new ideas. I wouldn't say Anthem is "coming to replace the ME." It's an entirely different kind of game, and although it shares some similarities in terms of genre, it's a separate entity. You have to remember that both Andromeda and Anthem were being developed at the same time. It's why I don't believe ME will indefinitely be shelved, regardless of how well Anthem performs. Both games are appealing to a very different kind of experience. I wouldn't be against another Jade Empire. As I said, I love that game. Although, I'd like a Character Creation this time around. I'd also love to see what BioWare could do with the combat system, as that was actually one of my favorite parts of the game. There were a lot of unique features and systems in Jade Empire that we just haven't seen in other BioWare games. Mike Laidlaw (Creative Director on Dragon Age) was the lead writer on Jade Empire, so I'm sure he'd love to give another crack at that universe at some point. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 18, 2017 20:50:36 GMT
A "handful"? This is BSN's most popular subforum. Though, I'll admit that I'll focus my energy on DA4 (more DA4 as I'm more invested in that story then Anthem) and Anthem if there is no dlc. I like the idea that you think you single handedly made people "see the light". I'm a part of the process. And yes, there's just a handful of you that vehemently oppose me whenever you can. Wait, I've read this story before...by a guy named Cervantes....something about "tilting at windmills" |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 18, 2017 20:53:18 GMT
i could see that. Though Drew needs a good team around .for the character and plot stuff. For sure. There's a lot that needs to be figured out, but Drew was the lead writer on most of my favorite RPGs. If he's back on Mass Effect after Anthem, I think a lot would be happy about that. |
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 18, 2017 20:53:22 GMT
Yes, there are those who want to see Bioware burn, but have you considered that people just didnt take up MEA the same way you did and simply didnt like the game and felt it was trash? Here's the thing, most critics see it (at release version mind) as a 7.5 or so, and I suspect we would be verging on 8's or higher if it had been version 1.10 at release. Yet you call it trash, which kind of reinforces my point. But 1.10 wasnt released at launch and thus MANY players had a sour taste in their mouth, left, and never came back. Also, 1.10 still doesnt fix the kiddy dialog, it doesnt fix the ststionary movie set prop NPCs, it doesnt fix the side quest, it doesnt fix the narrative, it doesnt fix the villain, and it doesnt fix the open world execution. All of which were also trashed by reviewers and gamers. Again, bugs/animations were not the ONLY thing wrong with MEA, it was just the most visible and thus the easiest to make memes out of. But by no means does 1.10 suddenly make MEA a new/different game in the same way the new No Mans Sky update does. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 20:57:17 GMT
I absolutely agree with you that DA is taking up the same niche as JE would, but the thing is that the lore created for JE was extremely rich, vs DA is using itself up. User fatigue, as much as folks are not willing to admit it lumping it up under the "bad writing" and "safe choices" did contribute to Andromeda not being a successful release. I am pretty sure that it will be my reaction to DA4 (and already was to DA3) b/c I never was particularly fond of the setting, and I am already tired in advance at the thought of 100 more hours of Fade, Templars and mages.
Anthem imo is coming to replace the ME. Something has to be there to replace DA, and they are sitting on the IP for JE, and it is something that is novel and can easily be expanded into the contact with the West via Central Asia-like setting easily enough.
The monster compendium is outstanding, the artwork potential is endless with JE, and it is novel & can be moved in the timeline with a reboot without aggravating the fanbase at all. As you said, most of us either did not play it, or were not pissed at it.
Perhaps, the time will come for JE rebirth, before gambling on another ME. Or so I wish to believe, but my faith does not require you to believe what I believe.
I actually think Jade Empire, as a universe, is far more interesting than Dragon Age. Unfortunately, Jade Empire just came at a bad time. It was released on the original Xbox, was met with a lukewarm response, and then was later ported to PC two years later. I had an original Xbox, so I was able to enjoy KOTOR and JE, as they were originally exclusives to the original Xbox. I was tired of the templar vs mages conflict after DAO... No idea why BioWare felt compelled to make that one of the major issues for three games... Going to Tevinter, we know the templar and mage issue is going to crop up again, given Tevinter is run by mages that use blood magic. I'm still looking forward to DA4, but that universe is in some serious need of new blood (no pun intended) and new ideas. I wouldn't say Anthem is "coming to replace the ME." It's an entirely different kind of game, and although it shares some similarities in terms of genre, it's a separate entity. You have to remember that both Andromeda and Anthem were being developed at the same time. It's why I don't believe ME will indefinitely be shelved, regardless of how well Anthem performs. Both games are appealing to a very different kind of experience. I wouldn't be against another Jade Empire. As I said, I love that game. Although, I'd like a Character Creation this time around. I'd also love to see what BioWare could do with the combat system, as that was actually one of my favorite parts of the game. There were a lot of unique features and systems in Jade Empire that we just haven't seen in other BioWare games. Mike Laidlaw (Creative Director on Dragon Age) was the lead writer on Jade Empire, so I'm sure he'd love to give another crack at that universe at some point. I have not decided yet on purchasing DA4, tbh. All and all, I feel that purchasing the DA franchise as a whole was a mistake on my part, particularly DA3. But now I have it... so, I don't know. I like talking to the fellow fans without going "well, I don't know who Anders is..." but save for DA2, I was not particularly impressed.
I played the original JE port, and also gave it a crack last February, but then played DA saga instead. The fighting mechanics is actually pretty nifty still.
Folks say they want MET remaster, but I'd love to see the actual remaster of JE.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 18, 2017 20:59:36 GMT
Oh yes. There's only a handful of you that continuously try and attack my posts (and then like each other's posts). Most people on this forum don't post at all. A "handful"? This is BSN's most popular subforum. Though, I'll admit that I'll focus my energy on DA4 (more DA4 as I'm more invested in that story then Anthem) and Anthem if there is no dlc. I like the idea that you think you single handedly made people "see the light". Ad time passes and people finally accept that Kotaku wad right and move on from MEA and as DA4 info begins to roll in, the Dragon Age forum will be the most populated. |
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 18, 2017 21:01:22 GMT
I'm a part of the process. And yes, there's just a handful of you that vehemently oppose me whenever you can. Wait, I've read this story before...by a guy named Cervantes....something about "tilting at windmills" and majesticjazz can be your Sancho Panza |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 21:06:28 GMT
Uhm... just looking to the future here... suikoden, if you have happened to even remotely like DA franchise, and the free trial of DA4 becomes available, please, consider not checking it out. |
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 18, 2017 21:06:38 GMT
I have not decided yet on purchasing DA4, tbh. All and all, I feel that purchasing the DA franchise as a whole was a mistake on my part, particularly DA3. But now I have it... so, I don't know. I like talking to the fellow fans without going "well, I don't know who Anders is..." but save for DA2, I was not particularly impressed.
I played the original JE port, and also gave it a crack last February, but then played DA saga instead. The fighting mechanics is actually pretty nifty still.
Folks say they want MET remaster, but I'd love to see the actual remaster of JE.
The only reason I probably wouldn't play DA4 is if the gameplay and story looked really bad. I agree that DA2, by far, had the best story. I felt DAO had the best gameplay. DAI is just a mess. It had a lot of great ideas, but the execution was poor on almost all fronts. I don't necessarily place all the blame on BioWare, although they were clearly trying to be way too ambitious with the game. Some of that blame also goes to Frostbite 3, which was not suited for RPGs at the time. More blame goes to the fact that DAI had to also work on the X360 and PS3, causing even more development woes for the game. I still enjoyed the game, but it's easily my least favorite of the three. I think MEA is far superior to DAI, but half of BSN would probably try to crucify me for saying that. Yep. I played Jade Empire again maybe last year? I hadn't actually touched the game since my original Xbox in 2005. Surprisingly, the combat holds up really well for a game that's 12 years old. I wish the PC version had native controller support like the original Xbox, but there are workarounds to get a controller functioning. It's still a very fun game, although it was a lot shorter than I remember. It might be the shortest game BioWare has ever made. I do not want a remaster of the MET. It's not old enough. Maybe ME1 could use a remaster, since it's a decade old. However, the other two games are still too recent. I'd definitely prefer to see Jade Empire remastered, since it's older than even ME1. |
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Post by clips7 on Aug 18, 2017 21:08:13 GMT
Here's the thing, most critics see it (at release version mind) as a 7.5 or so, and I suspect we would be verging on 8's or higher if it had been version 1.10 at release. Yet you call it trash, which kind of reinforces my point. But 1.10 wasnt released at launch and thus MANY players had a sour taste in their mouth, left, and never came back. Also, 1.10 still doesnt fix the kiddy dialog, it doesnt fix the ststionary movie set prop NPCs, it doesnt fix the side quest, it doesnt fix the narrative, it doesnt fix the villain, and it doesnt fix the open world execution. All of which were also trashed by reviewers and gamers. Again, bugs/animations were not the ONLY thing wrong with MEA, it was just the most visible and thus the easiest to make memes out of. But by no means does 1.10 suddenly make MEA a new/different game in the same way the new No Mans Sky update does. Yeah...i agree with this...tho i think the game is far from being trash...i've always felt the game itself was lacking in story, characters, narrative and depth.... |
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I have not decided yet on purchasing DA4, tbh. All and all, I feel that purchasing the DA franchise as a whole was a mistake on my part, particularly DA3. But now I have it... so, I don't know. I like talking to the fellow fans without going "well, I don't know who Anders is..." but save for DA2, I was not particularly impressed.
I played the original JE port, and also gave it a crack last February, but then played DA saga instead. The fighting mechanics is actually pretty nifty still.
Folks say they want MET remaster, but I'd love to see the actual remaster of JE.
The only reason I probably wouldn't play DA4 is if the gameplay and story looked really bad. I agree that DA2, by far, had the best story. I felt DAO had the best gameplay. DAI is just a mess. It had a lot of great ideas, but the execution was poor on almost all fronts. I don't necessarily place all the blame on BioWare, although they were clearly trying to be way too ambitious with the game. Some of that blame also goes to Frostbite 3, which was not suited for RPGs at the time. More blame goes to the fact that DAI had to also work on the X360 and PS3, causing even more development woes for the game. I still enjoyed the game, but it's easily my least favorite of the three. I think MEA is far superior to DAI, but half of BSN would probably try to crucify me for saying that. Yep. I played Jade Empire again maybe last year? I hadn't actually touched the game since my original Xbox in 2005. Surprisingly, the combat holds up really well for a game that's 12 years old. I wish the PC version had native controller support like the original Xbox, but there are workarounds to get a controller functioning. It's still a very fun game, although it was a lot shorter than I remember. It might be the shortest game BioWare has ever made. I do not want a remaster of the MET. It's not old enough. Maybe ME1 could use a remaster, since it's a decade old. However, the other two games are still too recent. I'd definitely prefer to see Jade Empire remastered, since it's older than even ME1. On the same page here, though I have to hear a lot of praise for DA4 to buy it. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 18, 2017 21:13:39 GMT
Looking forward to DA4!
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Post by Revan Reborn on Aug 18, 2017 21:19:12 GMT
On the same page here, though I have to hear a lot of praise for DA4 to buy it. Well, on the bright side, it can't be worse than DAI, right? At the very least, BioWare now has a workable foundation for Frostbite 3, with the right tools for an open world RPG. It should take far less time for BioWare to make this game and old gen console limitations won't be an issue. That's not to say that the writing and gameplay are necessarily going to be better (something the franchise has always struggled with), but I'll make my judgment when I see the trailers and gameplay. DA also has a new lead writer since David Gaider left, so that could be a good thing or a bad thing. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 18, 2017 21:22:37 GMT
Uhm... just looking to the future here... suikoden, if you have happened to even remotely like DA franchise, and the free trial of DA4 becomes available, please, consider not checking it out. I didn't like Inquisition - would give it a 5/10 - doubt I'd try DA4 seeing as DA2 was Andromeda-level awful imo as well. Origins was great. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 18, 2017 21:23:05 GMT
A "handful"? This is BSN's most popular subforum. Though, I'll admit that I'll focus my energy on DA4 (more DA4 as I'm more invested in that story then Anthem) and Anthem if there is no dlc. I like the idea that you think you single handedly made people "see the light". Ad time passes and people finally accept that Kotaku wad right and move on from MEA and as DA4 info begins to roll in, the Dragon Age forum will be the most populated. But their opinion of the game will remain unchanged. |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 18, 2017 21:27:28 GMT
At least they have more credible opinion than someone who has only played for ten hours. It's like you didn't read my comment at all. No, from my perspective, their opinion is less credible because they clearly have zero ability to discern good from bad, and still haven't mastered this ability after 100 hours. It goes both ways, you see? Wow are you like 12? Seriously any credibility you had with me is now gone. Though you didn't have much to begin with. |
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 18, 2017 21:28:14 GMT
At least they have more credible opinion than someone who has only played for ten hours. It's like you didn't read my comment at all. No, from my perspective, their opinion is less credible because they clearly have zero ability to discern good from bad, and still haven't mastered this ability after 100 hours. It goes both ways, you see? Wow are you like 12? Seriously any credibility you had with me is now gone. Though you didn't have much to begin with. |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 18, 2017 21:40:36 GMT
Good to see this forum still playing in its own mess 👍
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Post by suikoden on Aug 18, 2017 21:42:17 GMT
It's like you didn't read my comment at all. No, from my perspective, their opinion is less credible because they clearly have zero ability to discern good from bad, and still haven't mastered this ability after 100 hours. It goes both ways, you see? Wow are you like 12? Seriously any credibility you had with me is now gone. Though you didn't have much to begin with. Well... you never had any to begin with for me, so we're even.  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2017 21:44:46 GMT
On the same page here, though I have to hear a lot of praise for DA4 to buy it. Well, on the bright side, it can't be worse than DAI, right? At the very least, BioWare now has a workable foundation for Frostbite 3, with the right tools for an open world RPG. It should take far less time for BioWare to make this game and old gen console limitations won't be an issue. That's not to say that the writing and gameplay are necessarily going to be better (something the franchise has always struggled with), but I'll make my judgment when I see the trailers and gameplay. DA also has a new lead writer since David Gaider left, so that could be a good thing or a bad thing. Well, that's what I told myself before I've loaded the Trespasser. And I did not like the TP any better than the main campaign. They might very well produce more of the same, and as you have mentioned, Tevinter is likely to come with blood magic conflict again, and the Elves vs everyone again, and we are likely to start from square one on a new character again, with one copper and one dinky sword. |
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