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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 20, 2017 12:33:02 GMT
No. Even with the animations fixed, it doesn't rise above a 7 for me.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Aug 20, 2017 12:58:05 GMT
Honestly I'm inclined to say that in a manner of speaking, yes.
Andromeda has many issues, but the animations were the proverbial rock at the center of the giant snowball. Well before the game even released, they gave people an instant means to critique and mock it; rather than requiring paragraphs of text discussing the game's plot and tone, they could just post a gif of an awkward animation or facial expression, and it was so easy to spread.
Even now, you still see people posting gifs of animation issues that were patched out months ago, using them to laugh at the game.
I still honestly believe that had the game released in it's current state, while there likely would have been many who considered the plot and characters lacking and would consider it weaker than the OT, the level of vitriol and toxic behaviour would have been massively lower. Many people have many issues with BioWare and MEA itself, and those memes gave them such an easy way to go about tearing the game down and spreading their negativity around, and it's clearly had an impact.
No, better animations wouldn't fix the issues people have with the game's story or characters, but I am 100% certain there's a good number of people who would have found it far easier to connect and become invested if they weren't so distracted and unimmersed by the animations and awkward faces that have long since been fixed.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 20, 2017 12:58:54 GMT
I don't believe so, animations were just an extra push vs it. The game had issues besides technical ones, the story was rehashed and uninspired, played it safe so there was no wow factor to it which leads it to be absolutely boring. Characters contradicted what their beliefs and roles are, the lore was played around with way to much where it's inconsistent. Then you have combat getting downgraded, I don't care if gunplay is at its best yet when the combat wheel is gone, you can't modify your squad loadouts, and classes lost any role to them with the crap profile system that ounish a you for changing in the first place.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 13:05:56 GMT
No, they said in the blog post they always planned to continue the story via APEX missions.
The author of the quarian ark book also knew in advance her book would wrap up the quarian plot.
MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it.
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 13:12:41 GMT
MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. If that's true then SP players without any interest in the books or MP got an unfinished game or the proverbial middle finger. I wasn't under the impression that I would have to buy novels or play MP to get the full story. If they had said that, I would have steered clear of buying.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 13:17:09 GMT
MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. If that's true then SP players without any interest in the books or MP got an unfinished game or the proverbial middle finger. I wasn't under the impression that I would have to buy novels or play MP to get the full story. If they had said that, I would have steered clear of buying. Precisely why they didn't say anything.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Aug 20, 2017 13:17:53 GMT
MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. If that's true then SP players without any interest in the books or MP got an unfinished game or the proverbial middle finger. I wasn't under the impression that I would have to buy novels or play MP to get the full story. If they had said that, I would have steered clear of buying. Probably would've helped if they stopped with the "no comment" BS when people asked if there'd be DLC. Bioware simply fucked over the fans.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 20, 2017 13:18:36 GMT
I will be reading a summary of the books online at some point, not buying sorry - not after this mess.
I'm guessing now, looking at the game in hindsight that there was never DLC planned, that because they only had a year and a half to make what we got, they literally didn't have time for it. They just wanted to get this sh*t off their backs and move on. What's not right is the teaser at the end of the game, that's just not cool to do to the game's fan base.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 13:20:50 GMT
No, they said in the blog post they always planned to continue the story via APEX missions. The author of the quarian ark book also knew in advance her book would wrap up the quarian plot. MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. It was obvious the way Andromeda finished that they were already bridging the story for a DLC. I dare say everyone after finishing Andromeda fully expect a Quarian Ark DLC soon. Mass Effect being put on ice was not planned. No one plans for that.
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 13:24:23 GMT
I will be reading a summary of the books online at some point, not buying sorry - not after this mess. I never had any interest in the books because they would have messed with my head canon. I always played femshep and wasn't interested in reading anything broshep. Same with Ryder. Sorry, but when I read some book, it won't be game related. Same as I don't watch any game based movie.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 20, 2017 13:26:23 GMT
Do you think they planned to tease the Quarian Ark and only give us comics and books? Did they think a gaming community would rather read a 8 dollar book instead of pay 15 for playable content? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would rather play it!
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 13:28:20 GMT
No, they said in the blog post they always planned to continue the story via APEX missions. The author of the quarian ark book also knew in advance her book would wrap up the quarian plot. MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. It was obvious the way Andromeda finished that they were already bridging the story for a DLC. I dare say everyone after finishing Andromeda fully expect a Quarian Ark DLC soon. Mass Effect being put on ice was not planned. No one plans for that. Do you think they planned to tease the Quarian Ark and only give us comics and books? Did they think a gaming community would rather read a 8 dollar book instead of pay 15 for playable content? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would rather play it! I believe the quarian teasing in the main game is actually teasing multiplayer content. I expect something quarian related in MP soon, possibly to coincide with the book release.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 13:32:13 GMT
It was obvious the way Andromeda finished that they were already bridging the story for a DLC. I dare say everyone after finishing Andromeda fully expect a Quarian Ark DLC soon. Mass Effect being put on ice was not planned. No one plans for that. Do you think they planned to tease the Quarian Ark and only give us comics and books? Did they think a gaming community would rather read a 8 dollar book instead of pay 15 for playable content? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would rather play it! I believe the quarian teasing in the main game is actually teasing multiplayer content. I expect something quarian related in MP soon, possibly to coincide with the book release. Did you believe that before you knew that Andromeda would get no DLC? When you finished the game for the first time you thought that?
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 13:36:25 GMT
Do you think they planned to tease the Quarian Ark and only give us comics and books? Did they think a gaming community would rather read a 8 dollar book instead of pay 15 for playable content? Maybe I'm just weird, but I would rather play it! The hamfisted hints at the end of the game made me sure there's already a DLC close to it's release date. The only reason why, despite the poor reception of the game, I was sure we would get at least that one. I never would have imagined this to be down to books or MP content. That's really on the lines of flipping SP players the middle finger.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 20, 2017 13:39:01 GMT
With the troubled development cycle and only a year and a half to make what we all got, they just didn't have time to make DLC, I guess. But that tease - they had to know we all would count on in game content, and not the tacked on MP.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 13:49:04 GMT
I believe the quarian teasing in the main game is actually teasing multiplayer content. I expect something quarian related in MP soon, possibly to coincide with the book release. Did you believe that before you knew that Andromeda would get no DLC? When you finished the game for the first time you thought that? Of course not. No one was expecting for the game to not have DLC. No one was expecting Bioware to develop a "destiny clone" either. They knew the decision to not have DLC would cause this exact backlash. Precisely why they didn't say anything for so long.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 20, 2017 13:54:36 GMT
Did you believe that before you knew that Andromeda would get no DLC? When you finished the game for the first time you thought that? No, it struck me as a blatant DLC hook - not in the slightest did I think it would just be MP.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 20, 2017 13:57:20 GMT
No, they said in the blog post they always planned to continue the story via APEX missions. The author of the quarian ark book also knew in advance her book would wrap up the quarian plot. MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. Unequivocally stating that DLC was never planned is a bit presumptuous, don't you think? I think DLC is always in the cards when it comes to BioWare, whether it materializes or not and why is another matter.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 14:02:17 GMT
No, they said in the blog post they always planned to continue the story via APEX missions. The author of the quarian ark book also knew in advance her book would wrap up the quarian plot. MEA SP DLC was never planned. The reception had nothing to do with it. Unequivocally stating that DLC was never planned is a bit presumptuous, don't you think? I think DLC is always in the cards when it comes to BioWare, whether it materializes or not and why is another matter. They state in the blog post they planned to continue the pathfinder's journey via APEX early on in development. I guess we'll never know for sure, but nothing I've seen so far indicates they ever planned for single player content, otherwise they would have talked about it from the start.
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Post by SofNascimento on Aug 20, 2017 14:04:02 GMT
Did you believe that before you knew that Andromeda would get no DLC? When you finished the game for the first time you thought that? Of course not. No one was expecting for the game to not have DLC. No one was expecting Bioware to develop a "destiny clone" either. They knew the decision to not have DLC would cause this exact backlash. Precisely why they didn't say anything for so long. I doubt that's what they planned. But they did plan for a sequel that was scratched after Andromeda's release. All Mass Effect and Dragon Age games had DLC. If they planned to not have DLC in Andromeda, than they planned for failure.
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 20, 2017 14:08:05 GMT
Did you believe that before you knew that Andromeda would get no DLC? When you finished the game for the first time you thought that? Of course not. No one was expecting for the game to not have DLC. No one was expecting Bioware to develop a "destiny clone" either. They knew the decision to not have DLC would cause this exact backlash. Precisely why they didn't say anything for so long. Actually a lot of people have been expecting a "destiny clone" ever since EA purchased them.
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 14:17:28 GMT
Of course not. No one was expecting for the game to not have DLC. No one was expecting Bioware to develop a "destiny clone" either. They knew the decision to not have DLC would cause this exact backlash. Precisely why they didn't say anything for so long. I doubt that's what they planned. But they did plan for a sequel that was scratched after Andromeda's release. All Mass Effect and Dragon Age games had DLC. If they planned to not have DLC in Andromeda, than they planned for failure. Again, unless Bioware is outright lying they clearly said they planned for the pathfinder's story to continue via APEX missions early on in development. Plus if the game had been critically and commercially successful, how would not having SP DLC for MEA result in failure? The revenue lost by not making DLC would be recovered via MP transactions. MP also requires less money and personnel to develop. It's simply a new business strategy.
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Post by abaris on Aug 20, 2017 14:20:26 GMT
Unequivocally stating that DLC was never planned is a bit presumptuous, don't you think? That's what surprised me most. Usually that's not what a company does, going by all PR rules in the books. Never communicate a negative. That's a golden rule they've just broken and it's franchise harakiri, as had to be expected. I never would have expected something like that to happen.
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Post by OdanUrr on Aug 20, 2017 14:31:25 GMT
Unequivocally stating that DLC was never planned is a bit presumptuous, don't you think? I think DLC is always in the cards when it comes to BioWare, whether it materializes or not and why is another matter. They state in the blog post they planned to continue the pathfinder's journey via APEX early on in development. I guess we'll never know for sure, but nothing I've seen so far indicates they ever planned for single player content, otherwise they would have talked about it from the start. If that is truly the case, if BioWare knew from the start that they were never going to make SP DLC no matter what (something I still find hard to believe), then my respect for BioWare has dropped a few notches. Firstly, they should've been forthcoming about it from the start, especially when they announced there wouldn't be a season pass (an excellent opportunity to discuss DLC plans or the lack of them). Secondly, if this is what we should expect from future BioWare titles, specifically, plot threads that are purposefully left unresolved for tie-in content like comics, books, or even MP, then count me out. I don't mind tie-in content expanding the universe but never at the expense of the story you're trying to tell. Thirdly, it's bonkers that anyone would've thought this was a good idea in the first place. Of course, the alternative here is that they're now trying to spin the lack of SP DLC as a creative decision made early on to reinforce the narrative that " Mass Effect: Andromeda did no wrong," what would be inherently dishonest, dropping my respect for them even more. Keeping mum about it for so long does lead one to suspect it was a play to postpone the backlash that would inevitably hurt lifetime sales. Damn it, BioWare.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 20, 2017 14:35:29 GMT
I can't read all of your posts, at the moment; so I'm sure that I'm reiterating posts already made.
I suspect that the game would've been critiqued and viewed as a bit of a letdown, even without the runaway Internet hate train. Many people don't agree with the smear campaign, yet do have many reasonable complaints. The criticism likely could've been absorbed, and applied toward DLC and a sequel. The outcome we see, though, was predictable as soon as the EA Play trial went live. (I posted that I feared ME was going the way of Deus Ex during that week.) All of BioWare's haters were waiting to pounce, and BioWare made themselves an easy target.
It's one thing to have a disappointing installment in an IP. This hate campaign, though, revealed that Mass Effect is now a bad investment. Too many are poised to unleash the hate; and BioWare has other, more promising, IPs in play.
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