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Post by colfoley on Aug 21, 2017 5:04:40 GMT
So there has been a lot of commentary on Andromeda's 'demise' (more on that in a minute), and well I am here to throw my hat into that particular ring.
Now, BioWare/ EA has announced...as we all know...that SP content for MEA will cease. No more patches. No more DLC. No more nothing. However, the story will still continue through comics, novels, and...MP Apex missions. Its the last one that has caused me to now become worried. Because...well A. it seems MP content costs less to produce then SP content. B. it seems MP content can generate consistant income for a studio via microtransactions and expansion packs (not to mention the subscription fees), whereas SP DLC content is essentially one and done, C. EA loves their MP considering BW games have had MP components since they bought them, considering Anthem and TOR, and considering the rest of EAs other major franchises.
So this brings me to my dark thought. That this is the future. Not an indication that MEA was a failrue per se, but a sign of things to come for all BioWare franchises. Mainly, instead of DLC for Single Player campaign expanding on the story, we will get MP expansions and brief tidbits of stories released through them. Either through mission description, or subtle expansions here and there. Or through novels and comics. And this will happen whether or not DA 4 is a major hit, or if DA 4 is a bomb. This is what we will get.
Now, this has some good news to it, and some bad news.
First of all If I am right this does not mean ME is dead. EA will release this content and milk the game for a year, then release a sequel to MEA after Anthem and DA 4. I still doubt this outcome personally, but this theory suggests this is all a part of EAs plan.
And secondly, to my mind BioWare has always had sort of mixed feelings with how BioWare does DLC. Most companies do DLC that are only a side adventure, with barely any connection or overall expansion on the main plot. BioWare however, does it, where DLC are often vital to their games. Descent, Tresspasser, Awakening, Leviathan, all expand on the Mass Effect and Dragon Age universes and drop major plot revelations. However, sometimes you have to spend up to 15 dollars a pop on these DLC, which can easily get expensive. It is my hope that, while these MP missions will expand on the story, it will be more like small tidbits and teases rather then full blown major plot reveals. If these are too small, and not story driven, BioWare should not put major plot heavy information in them, instead saving them for the future main games. It is likely that the Quarian Arc or anything like it may not happen in the future if this is the case, again, that's my hope.
However, the bad thing is this makes potentially huge and interesting bits of story inaccessible considering A. many people don't like playing MP or are rather meh about it. B. With both Playstation and XBox hiding MP access behind subscription services it can also become quite expensive. and C. many people also do not like to read or be exposed to comics. And this is ultimatley why I will be quite annoyed by the idea of moving away from a SP DLC model, and into a MP expansion model. I would rather, as a consumer, pay for DLC once, then pay for MP DLC and maybe a subscription on top of it, or...well...just the subscriptions.
So...yeah...that is all I have right now. Am I worried much about nothing? Is EA trying something new? Or is this phenmon just going to be restricted to MEA because 'failure'?
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 21, 2017 5:13:11 GMT
What a bleak horrible future we live in.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 21, 2017 5:16:41 GMT
You have seen the future I have seen.
Star Citizen will either redeem "AAA" gaming and give it a much needed course correction, or more likely it will implode, EA will continue to disappoint us, and a new gaming dark age will begin for me.
Winter is coming. Fuck.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 21, 2017 5:17:09 GMT
What a bleak horrible future we live in. IKR? I mean good news hopefully this means BioWare will actually tie up more plot lines in their base games without relying on the possibility for sequels or DLC...on the bad side maybe they won't do this and go in the opposite direction.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 21, 2017 5:19:08 GMT
You have seen the future I have seen. Star Citizen will either redeem "AAA" gaming and give it a much needed course correction, or more likely it will implode, EA will continue to disappoint us, and a new gaming dark age will begin for me. Winter is coming. Fuck. I've had the same thought. IF BioWare goes down there is no other video game company I trust to produce consistantly quality Tripple A RPG Gaming content with good stories. Maaaayybbbe CDPR, because while I really did love TW 3 for the most part it did not make me a CDPR fanboy. Anyone else though? Nothing else coming out or has been released recently has me salivating on the RPG front.
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Post by Blast Processor on Aug 21, 2017 5:24:05 GMT
Greedfall seems like it maybe could be interesting.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 21, 2017 5:31:38 GMT
Greedfall seems like it maybe could be interesting. Haven't heard of it...
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 21, 2017 5:32:07 GMT
You have seen the future I have seen. Star Citizen will either redeem "AAA" gaming and give it a much needed course correction, or more likely it will implode, EA will continue to disappoint us, and a new gaming dark age will begin for me. Winter is coming. Fuck. I've had the same thought. IF BioWare goes down there is no other video game company I trust to produce consistantly quality Tripple A RPG Gaming content with good stories. Maaaayybbbe CDPR, because while I really did love TW 3 for the most part it did not make me a CDPR fanboy. Anyone else though? Nothing else coming out or has been released recently has me salivating on the RPG front. I don't play JRPGs because I find them weird and not at all to my liking. Among western RPGs, BioWare was always in a class of its own. If they are ever fully absorbed into EA, and cease making RPGs, I'm not sure that any other studio would take up their old mantle. I really liked CDPR's TW2 and 3. I'm a fan of that character and the writings, though. They did a great job in continuing Gerald's story. That doesn't mean that I'll like anything else they make. I doubt that Cyberpunk will interest me. It's not a genre in which I have any interest. BioWare managed an incredible run of titles that all appealed to me. I like both fantasy and sci-fi stories, and we've received some great ones from BioWare since the 90s. If Anthem were an RPG, I'd be interested in it, too. I just don't see anyone else replicating the golden years of BioWare. I'm not saying they're finished; but it's been a rocky road since 2010, and the industry seems to be changing.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 21, 2017 5:54:37 GMT
Greedfall seems like it maybe could be interesting. Haven't heard of it... You can find a little info & a teaser trailer here: www.spiders-games.com/games/greedfallIt's from Spiders though (Technomancer, etc.), who often have interesting concepts, but stumble on the execution. It's a wait & see for me...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 5:57:55 GMT
So...yeah...that is all I have right now. Am I worried much about nothing? Is EA trying something new? Or is this phenmon just going to be restricted to MEA because 'failure'? You shouldn't worry too much into this colfoley. There so many good games out there and have a look at the gaming companies that publish them, they clearly have better business practices. Now don't take offense to this but it feels like you and few others in here are so fixated on Andromeda that you guys don't see other games. Andromeda is one of those instances where nothing really worked out for them and have to cut their loses but don't take this as a sign of where the gaming industry is headed, let alone Bioware. Bioware will have a better game on their next one, I stand by this both Anthem and DA4 will knock it out the park. Please don't overthink every little mistake Andromeda and Montreal did, this was studio who never published a full game before and made mistakes. That's really all it is, this is not a doom and bloom direction of were their other games are headed.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 21, 2017 6:11:28 GMT
You call it disturbing, I call it extremely optimistic. I will be very surprised if DA4 isn't their last single-player game. Hell, even DA4 might not be safe!
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Post by Fredward on Aug 21, 2017 6:20:30 GMT
Yeah I've been saying this for a while. With more brevity though.
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Post by bizantura on Aug 21, 2017 6:39:07 GMT
Absorbed within EA, Bioware did a fine job to hang on to the RPG genre thru SP. But yes, it is been fizzling out for years those big game RPG's. Online gaming is where it is at and to be fair lots of people like it. All about action, less about substance.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Aug 21, 2017 6:50:04 GMT
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Post by warrior on Aug 21, 2017 7:00:24 GMT
why do extroverts have to ruin everything for introverts! I don't want to talk to people!!!!!!! I DO NOT LIKE PEOPLE. also I have moved to a place with shit internet so I'm not really sure if I could play MP actually
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Post by warrior on Aug 21, 2017 7:02:24 GMT
Greedfall seems like it maybe could be interesting. It does sound interesting. Kind of bonkers premise. Could go either way. But will be following.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 7:12:16 GMT
That's alright. Bioware doesn't need my money, attention, and good word. Right?
Sure I've moved several copies of games just through convincing friends, but whatever man. MP! My friend couldn't stop talking about Fortnite when I visited! MP MP MP MP !!!!!!!!!!1111
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Post by mordingrimes on Aug 21, 2017 7:35:15 GMT
EA will release this content and milk the game for a year, then release a sequel to MEA after Anthem and DA 4. I still doubt this outcome personally, but this theory suggests this is all a part of EAs plan. Not going to happen imo.
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Post by ivymorosa on Aug 21, 2017 7:59:36 GMT
EA is thinking of profit and MP is profitable. I am convinced that the SP will be abandoned. They only care about money ...
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Post by jclosed on Aug 21, 2017 8:21:21 GMT
Interesting thread.
I am afraid this shift to more multiplayer is something that is already happening. What I have seen from Anthem all points to multiplayer and multiplayer and multiplayer and... oh yeah.. there will be an bit of single player... kind of... here and there.. if you look hard and you are really very "liberal" about the therm "single player".....
I would not surprise me if the upcoming Dragon Age 4 will be an subscription always-on-line MMO, simply because that's the way to milk as much money as possible from your "clients". You will get the first "samples" for free, and then you are "hooked" and have to pay buddy.
Indeed I am looking forward to those game makers that still make pure RPG's, without all that on-line stuff (mind you, I am not against co-op if it does not interfere with the game play, but sadly most time it does). For now I rather play games like the named Greedfall, or the upcoming Elex, even if the game play is a bit clunky and stiff, than playing an fully polished MMO . I simply do not like MP, and there are a LOT of people that feel the same way. There are more games on the horizon that are still SP RPG's, but admittedly (with the exeption of CDPR) most of them are made by small developers and may lack the polish of bigger developers (although mostly the story line is on par or even better than the "big boy" developers).
To end this post with a more positive sound. There is a new development going on, where indie developers make games that are sitting in between the full AAA titles and the "budget" titles. An great example of that kind of game is "Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice". It's a great 6~8 hour game for a small price. If that "trent" spreads out to SP RPG games, I think we are in for a nice treat.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:30:42 GMT
I suspect with the rise of social media, connectivity and games as a service, gaming is set to change, I remember the good old days where games could be considered like reading a novel. You had the the plot, the characters and you could immerse yourself completely in an universe that brings you away from the tedious reality in which we live. Game as escapism, however instead game developers brought the reality inside our games. We need to be with others, we need to connect, cooperate, share and like others people in our games. This defeat the purpose of gaming as media escapism. In truth this is happening because it is profitable, younger generations enjoy the social networks and being hyperconnected which is something I find loathsome.
If I want to connect with my fellow friends I don't use the net I just go out and grab a beer together. Gaming for me is and will always remain something to do alone. With the amount of game I'm enjoying dimishing each and each year I'm starting to wonder if I grew up the gaming media because less and less companies find profitable to create lenghty in depth RPGs that I actually like. The game I purchased these two years can be counted in one hand.
I will keep playing as long as the game I want to play and the companies I trust to deliver those products are around but I clearly see a declining trend as I'm beginning to understand that I'm a very niche gamer for what is considered nowadays mainstream gaming.
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Post by Life is Strange on Aug 21, 2017 9:16:10 GMT
EA will release this content and milk the game for a year, then release a sequel to MEA after Anthem and DA 4. I still doubt this outcome personally, but this theory suggests this is all a part of EAs plan. Not going to happen imo. it's gonna be Happening! ^^
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Post by warrior on Aug 21, 2017 9:24:14 GMT
I suspect with the rise of social media, connectivity and games as a service, gaming is set to change, I remember the good old days where games could be considered like reading a novel. You had the the plot, the characters and you could immerse yourself completely in an universe that brings you away from the tedious reality in which we live. Game as escapism, however instead game developers brought the reality inside our games. We need to be with others, we need to connect, cooperate, share and like others people in our games. This defeat the purpose of gaming as media escapism. In truth this is happening because it is profitable, younger generations enjoy the social networks and being hyperconnected which is something I find loathsome.If I want to connect with my fellow friends I don't use the net I just go out and grab a beer together. Gaming for me is and will always remain something to do alone. With the amount of game I'm enjoying dimishing each and each year I'm starting to wonder if I grew up the gaming media because less and less companies find profitable to create lenghty in depth RPGs that I actually like. The game I purchased these two years can be counted in one hand. I will keep playing as long as the game I want to play and the companies I trust to deliver those products are around but I clearly see a declining trend as I'm beginning to understand that I'm a very niche gamer for what is considered nowadays mainstream gaming. I am on social media ALL THE TIME and that is part of the problem for me w/ this trend towards co-op play. I'm on it too much. Even if I am watching a tv show, I am checking it. If I need to get work done I have to use an app to block sites. On top of that, I have to talk to people I don't want to talk to for work and stuff. Games provide a nice break from the social worlds in which I am constantly operating because of their level of immersion. It's one of few activities that keeps me off of there for awhile and refreshes my brain. and now everything is becoming MP MP MP. ANNOYING.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 21, 2017 9:25:37 GMT
Actually I think it balances out, the more crowded and connected the earth gets the more people get sick of other people and being part of this society. And not a small number of people. I avoid social media and play only one online game, people annoy and tire me very quickly because they are everywhere and most of them are......incompatible with me.
There is definitely a market for SP games that grows just as fast as the MP market.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 9:25:44 GMT
I suspect with the rise of social media, connectivity and games as a service, gaming is set to change, I remember the good old days where games could be considered like reading a novel. You had the the plot, the characters and you could immerse yourself completely in an universe that brings you away from the tedious reality in which we live. Game as escapism, however instead game developers brought the reality inside our games. We need to be with others, we need to connect, cooperate, share and like others people in our games. This defeat the purpose of gaming as media escapism. In truth this is happening because it is profitable, younger generations enjoy the social networks and being hyperconnected which is something I find loathsome. If I want to connect with my fellow friends I don't use the net I just go out and grab a beer together. Gaming for me is and will always remain something to do alone. With the amount of game I'm enjoying dimishing each and each year I'm starting to wonder if I grew up the gaming media because less and less companies find profitable to create lenghty in depth RPGs that I actually like. The game I purchased these two years can be counted in one hand. I will keep playing as long as the game I want to play and the companies I trust to deliver those products are around but I clearly see a declining trend as I'm beginning to understand that I'm a very niche gamer for what is considered nowadays mainstream gaming. Yeah really don't worry about it. If gaming companies want your money, you'll know. And if you are not happy with that they're presenting you, they'll know. Most likely.
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