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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2017 20:57:29 GMT
What rating would you give them? 3/10, both. Pfft that's generous.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 22, 2017 21:00:12 GMT
Right. Game scoring now a days goes pretty much: Above 9: Excellent Above 8: Good Anything Below 8: Shit Not to me. my "good" average is around a 6-7.5. A lot of game reviewers should follow suit with that. heck i've played games reviewed at 4 or lower that id give about a 6.75. Duke Nukem Forever is a prime example. It got many low marks due to his humor and the sexual content and stuff. I always say WTF did you expect? Little Women? It dared to not be PC and that was the problem.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 1:32:48 GMT
Maybe it is because I played all Mass Effect games in 2016-2017 with the Dragon Age in between, with about the same # of replays for each (2) of the same game that they fall into three categories for me: Decent, but show its age and older gaming mechanics: DAO and ME1 (6 to 7 scores) Had lots of fun & played in one breath, lots of feels: DA2, ME2/3 and MEA (8 to 10 scores) I paid for it, so might as well finish it: Inquisition (5 score) I for the life of mine do not see the whole "drop" in the quality of writing, because tbh any dialogue in any of those games would not have been out of place in another except the sudden introduction of copious swearing from ME3 onwards. With a notable exception of Mordin, Tali (in ME3), Anders, Dorian and Liam, the character characterization is rather light and depends on your personal tastes. The only game that had a plot that stood out from seven was DA2. The rest were similarly conceived and executed as epic saga standard edition. Sometime I wonder if the folks are just tired of what they've loved too much. It's like me trying to play Baldur's Gate 3 were it released tomorrow in FB. I can't point a finger exactly. It's the plot and Ryder that are weak, in my opinion.
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Post by laughingbanana on Aug 24, 2017 10:05:18 GMT
Yeah, I finished it quite recently too (with only 3 more trophies from a plat!) but, unlike other Bioware games that I have played, I kinda have zero intent of replaying it... I would lie to say that I did not kinda enjoy the time I've given it, it's just that they're wholly.... standard and failed to make any sort of significant impression in me.
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 11:18:37 GMT
Yeah, I finished it quite recently too (with only 3 more trophies from a plat!) but, unlike other Bioware games that I have played, I kinda have zero intent of replaying it... I would lie to say that I did not kinda enjoy the time I've given it, it's just that they're wholly.... standard and failed to make any sort of significant impression in me. I feel exactly the same. Curious feeling. It's the first Bioware game that makes me feel that way. Enjoyed it once, but no interest in a replay.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Aug 24, 2017 11:47:08 GMT
Yeah, I finished it quite recently too (with only 3 more trophies from a plat!) but, unlike other Bioware games that I have played, I kinda have zero intent of replaying it... I would lie to say that I did not kinda enjoy the time I've given it, it's just that they're wholly.... standard and failed to make any sort of significant impression in me. I feel exactly the same. Curious feeling. It's the first Bioware game that makes me feel that way. Enjoyed it once, but no interest in a replay. MEA doesn't have any replay value. I really tried, but at some point I just got bored so uninstall was the only option and that's it. And right i'am doing ME1 replay no... 12 ? 14?...
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Post by Tim on Aug 24, 2017 12:24:10 GMT
I for the life of mine do not see the whole "drop" in the quality of writing, because tbh any dialogue in any of those games would not have been out of place in another except the sudden introduction of copious swearing from ME3 onwards. That's surprising. How did you feel about e.g. curing the genophage or solving the Quarian/Geth conflict in ME:3 and did you have similar feelings for scenes in ME:A that you could list?
Besides that, there are a couple of examples of scenes and dialog in ME:A that get cited over and over again as examples of bad writing and delivery ("my face is tired", "Alec is dead?"), that I just cannot imagine happening in MOT. Also just ridiculous cutscenes like the Krogan fist fight in the colony on Elaaden. In ME:A, I crushed my head on my keyboard in at least every second cutszene. And it got worse in the second playthrough, which will be my last.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 16:00:57 GMT
What was wrong with "Alec is dead?"
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 16:05:50 GMT
So... average equates to a 7.5/10? How the hell does that work? Why would 7.5 be average and not, ya know, 5? Middle of the road means 5/10, because 5 is actually in the middle. How the hell could anything ever get a 2 or a 1 if anything below 7.5 is bad? A 1 would have to rape your grandmother and burn your house down if 7.5 is average. People tend to view expectations differently. For me, and I think the OP, generally speaking in school and academia a 7-7.9 tends to be 'average' and everything below that starts becoming a failure and even worse, down to the completely broken. For me very few games I have played, in fact just one pretty much, I would rate below a 5. Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. Activision's Temple of Elemental Evil. Games that were made just to be made with that license... and it showed.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 16:09:32 GMT
I feel exactly the same. Curious feeling. It's the first Bioware game that makes me feel that way. Enjoyed it once, but no interest in a replay. MEA doesn't have any replay value. I really tried, but at some point I just got bored so uninstall was the only option and that's it. And right i'am doing ME1 replay no... 12 ? 14?... I see no point in ever replaying Andromeda except to test it out on the new rig. There is no future content coming. You're right, though. I feel stupid for believing.
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 16:39:45 GMT
That's surprising. How did you feel about e.g. curing the genophage or solving the Quarian/Geth conflict in ME:3 and did you have similar feelings for scenes in ME:A that you could list?
If you want to say there are no memorable moments, yes, you're right. But comparing the issue to ME3 when everything is supposed to be resolved, seems a bit unfair. Suffice to say there's nothing to look forward to when doing another playthrough. None of the quests, no memorable companion interaction. I don't know how many playthroughs, without getting bored, I clocked off on the OT, but they were quite many. With MEA I tried to force myself through a second run. Without success.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 24, 2017 16:40:11 GMT
People tend to view expectations differently. For me, and I think the OP, generally speaking in school and academia a 7-7.9 tends to be 'average' and everything below that starts becoming a failure and even worse, down to the completely broken. For me very few games I have played, in fact just one pretty much, I would rate below a 5. Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. Activision's Temple of Elemental Evil. Games that were made just to be made with that license... and it showed. Temple of Elemental Evil is actually pretty good...dare I say better than Icewind Dale.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 16:51:34 GMT
Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. Activision's Temple of Elemental Evil. Games that were made just to be made with that license... and it showed. Temple of Elemental Evil is actually pretty good...dare I say better than Icewind Dale. Blasphemy... Heretic! I can't agree with you there. OMG. I respect your opinion, but yo... Jeremy Soule. Right there, artistry in tune with the canvas. Beautiful. Everything was well executed for that canvas. IWD had its faults, but it was true to the ruleset and for pen-and-paper nerds like me... that was very, very satisfying to my OCD. I can't recall the plot to the Temple of Elemental Evil and yet it's based on a very familiar module. IWD... I remember Kresselack and Tony Jay nailing it. I remember David Odgen Stiers of MASH fame narrating the story brilliantly. I remember the epic boss battles and unlocking the next area. IWD... I can replay again even though it's super old, but why do that when you can listen to the soundtrack? Does... ToEE have that?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 17:04:28 GMT
Well, the ToEE PnP module doesn't exactly have a plot. The presentation is actually a bit incoherent, as it typically is for TSR modules of the era. The DM is told that he'll have to improvise a plot in response to the players' actions, but each room of the place is presented as if the DM hasn't done this, and the party is just blundering into a bunch of disconnected rooms.
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I remember David Odgen Stiers of MASH fame He did well playing as Major Charles Emerson Winchester III. excellent
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Post by Guts on Aug 24, 2017 18:00:58 GMT
Makes me wonder how many people who rate ME:A in the 7s have actually played games that are legit stinkers... I played Bubsy 3D and Superman 64... Ouch.
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Post by Tim on Aug 24, 2017 18:12:07 GMT
That's surprising. How did you feel about e.g. curing the genophage or solving the Quarian/Geth conflict in ME:3 and did you have similar feelings for scenes in ME:A that you could list?
If you want to say there are no memorable moments, yes, you're right. But comparing the issue to ME3 when everything is supposed to be resolved, seems a bit unfair. Fair enough, how about the Virmire mission in ME1? Standoff with Wrex, confrontation with indoctrination, conversation with Sovereign (major revelation mid-game!), confrontation with Saren, loosing a sqadmate. Me, I like the music also, and driving around in the Mako through that shallow water. Anything comparable in ME:A?
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 18:14:18 GMT
If you want to say there are no memorable moments, yes, you're right. But comparing the issue to ME3 when everything is supposed to be resolved, seems a bit unfair. Fair enough, how about the Virmire mission in ME1? Standoff with Wrex, confrontation with indoctrination, conversation with Sovereign (major revelation mid-game!), confrontation with Saren, loosing a sqadmate. Anything comparable in ME:A?Your dad dies and Sara is sort of okay with it? Maybe that brought the feels for some people?
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 18:15:42 GMT
Fair enough, how about the Virmire mission in ME1? Standoff with Wrex, confrontation with indoctrination, conversation with Sovereign (major revelation mid-game!), confrontation with Saren, loosing a sqadmate. Anything comparable in ME:A? I said, you're right. It's just you can't compare it to the endgame of a trilogy. There's lots more I remember from each individual game, ME and DA. And there's little to nothing that left the same impression in MEA. There have been a few cute moments, such as the Krogan in love with Kesh, but these little details don't solve the overall feeling of blandness.
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Post by Tim on Aug 24, 2017 18:16:26 GMT
What was wrong with "Alec is dead?" It's not that single sentence, but the whole scene. The facial reaction of Ryder aside, I don't get how Ryder does not say anything in response, but simply stares. And how the topic is essentially abandoned from there, with no emotional impact from Ryder.
"You are not Alec!" "No, he's dead, I'm pathfinder now, you said I could get you something?"
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 18:22:38 GMT
What was wrong with "Alec is dead?" It's not that single sentence, but the whole scene. The facial reaction of Ryder aside, I don't get how Ryder does not say anything in response, but simply stares. And how the topic is essentially abandoned from there, with no emotional impact from Ryder.
"You are not Alec!" "No, he's dead, I'm pathfinder now, you said I could get you something?" Yep - that's one of the worst examples of dialogue in a videogame I've ever seen. Which is so strange because this used to be Bioware's strength.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2017 18:44:50 GMT
People tend to view expectations differently. For me, and I think the OP, generally speaking in school and academia a 7-7.9 tends to be 'average' and everything below that starts becoming a failure and even worse, down to the completely broken. For me very few games I have played, in fact just one pretty much, I would rate below a 5. Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. Activision's Temple of Elemental Evil. Games that were made just to be made with that license... and it showed. star wars the force unleashed.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 20:33:59 GMT
What was wrong with "Alec is dead?" It's not that single sentence, but the whole scene. The facial reaction of Ryder aside, I don't get how Ryder does not say anything in response, but simply stares. And how the topic is essentially abandoned from there, with no emotional impact from Ryder.
"You are not Alec!" "No, he's dead, I'm pathfinder now, you said I could get you something?" Why would Ryder express anything to Addison, though? The only relationship they have is professional. Edit: nothing wrong with adding a really emo response there, but I'd never use it myself with any Ryder.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 24, 2017 20:45:50 GMT
Ubisoft's Pool of Radiance. Activision's Temple of Elemental Evil. Games that were made just to be made with that license... and it showed. star wars the force unleashed. I like that game. But would give it about a 7.5.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 2:15:22 GMT
What was wrong with "Alec is dead?" It's not that single sentence, but the whole scene. The facial reaction of Ryder aside, I don't get how Ryder does not say anything in response, but simply stares. And how the topic is essentially abandoned from there, with no emotional impact from Ryder.
"You are not Alec!" "No, he's dead, I'm pathfinder now, you said I could get you something?" This. For pete' sake, your freaking father is dead. The freaking Pathfinder. His death has no emotional impact whatsoever. Bad, bad writing.
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