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Post by setokaiba on Aug 26, 2017 13:59:29 GMT
Tough it may be back one day, i wonder if it will ever capture the same kind of magic that the original trilogy did. If Star Wars for example has tough us anything, its that its hard to capture that moment again when you try to make something new. Many of the new movies have tried, all of them have failed. Its also the fault of the high past nostalgia, and some fans can just never get over with, no matter what they bring out. Most evident in those constantly asking Shepard back... This may be the fate of ME as well. The future will never be like the past again. The thing is I don't need it to be the MET or recreate it because that feeling it gave us will never come back no matter what they do.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 26, 2017 14:22:32 GMT
I'm not really clear on why you have a probem with the word backbone? Why can't Ryder get in the asari's face saying what the **** is your problem? Or say "How would you like if I knock you to the ground"? I'm sure the asari wouldn't like that. Problem is - If Ryder should do that he probably would be in prison in no time. You seem to forget this is no military, but a civilian operation. To put it strait - Shep could only be that harsh because he was supported by a whole military-industrial complex. He could get away with things, because he is no part of a civilian society. His authority is based on "big guns behind his back" and only because he has this backup he can act the way he does.If he goes to far, he is judged by a military court and not a civilian court. And those military supported authorities are allowed to be more harsh because of "reasons" (and lots of guns). So Shepard could get away with things that non-military people in an normal society would get them in big trouble. If Ryder would act like Shepard in the environment of the Andromeda Initiative, people would not only walk faster away from him than you could hold possible (giving him the middle finger), but he also be thrown in jail countless times. He probably would end as outlaw - a nobody that is respected by nobody. Ryder does not have that big military complex as fall-back or backup. He has to do it all by his own. He has to earn authority in stead of getting it by "big guns behind his back". So yes - he has to be diplomatic. He has to be careful in how he acts, because it's civilian law he has to answer to - even if he is in outlaw environment. And he slowly gets that respect during the game. It's one of the aspects I really like of Andromeda. You do not start as a superhero with a huge backup force that supports you. You have to earn everything in every step, and have to succeed against all odds. This makes no sense. You think being authoritative would land the Pathfinder in prison? Why? The Pathfinder has been entrusted with huge responsibility and wide jurisdiction, particularly because of the dire circumstances. He can't tell PeeBee, "Get off. You almost got yourself shot!"? She really did, by the way. The crew pointed weapons at her. Do they belong in the brig? Can you imagine the crew or NPCs disrespecting Alec Ryder the way they disrespect our protagonist? Problem is - If Ryder should do that he probably would be in prison in no time. You seem to forget this is no military, but a civilian operation. Why are you assuming that I believe its a military operation and not a civilian operation? Why would a civilian operation prevent Ryder from standing up to the asari after being knocked to the ground? I never said for Ryder to shoot or punch the asari. So getting in the asari's face to say a few words would not lead to Ryder being put in prison. Exactly. Why are you assuming that I believe its a military operation and not a civilian operation? Why would a civilian operation prevent Ryder from standing up to the asari after being knocked to the ground? I never said for Ryder to shoot or punch the asari. So getting in the asari's face to say a few words would not lead to Ryder being put in prison. To be fair, the legal system of the AI is so messed up Ryder could probably shoot someone in the head, then claim it was just a 'successful attempted murder' and walk on a technicality. This is true, and intentional. Before release (I believe amidst the IGN coverage), Mac Walters talked about this. He said that unlike Shepard, Ryder wouldn't really have anyone looking over his shoulder. Heleus is the lawless Wild West, where Ryder would be making up the rules as he goes, making judgments and decisions entirely at his own discretion, rather than at someone else's orders or standards. So, pretty much exactly the opposite of what jclosed said. (Not that stern talk with a civvie or subordinate would land Shepard in the brig, either.)
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Post by abaris on Aug 26, 2017 14:34:32 GMT
This is true, and intentional. Before release (I believe amidst the IGN coverage), Mac Walters talked about this. He said that unlike Shepard, Ryder wouldn't really have anyone looking over his shoulder. Heleus is the lawless Wild West, where Ryder would be making up the rules as he goes, making judgments and decisions entirely at his own discretion, rather than at someone else's orders or standards. So, pretty much exactly the opposite of what jclosed said. (Not that stern talk with a civvie or subordinate would land Shepard in the brig, either.) Didn't pan out on the douche front, did it? Being free to make decisions as long they are nice decisions.
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Post by Element Zero on Aug 26, 2017 15:05:47 GMT
This is true, and intentional. Before release (I believe amidst the IGN coverage), Mac Walters talked about this. He said that unlike Shepard, Ryder wouldn't really have anyone looking over his shoulder. Heleus is the lawless Wild West, where Ryder would be making up the rules as he goes, making judgments and decisions entirely at his own discretion, rather than at someone else's orders or standards. So, pretty much exactly the opposite of what jclosed said. (Not that stern talk with a civvie or subordinate would land Shepard in the brig, either.) Didn't pan out on the douche front, did it? Being free to make decisions as long they are nice decisions. Absolutely! I almost included this observation, but I already had too much of my comment embedded in parentheses.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 26, 2017 15:09:03 GMT
"Backbone" seems to be a weird way to describe freaking out over that, though I'm not really clear on exactly what you've been asking for Ryder to be able to do there. I'm not really clear on why you have a probem with the word backbone? Why can't Ryder get in the asari's face saying what the **** is your problem? Or say "How would you like if I knock you to the ground"? I'm sure the asari wouldn't like that. Of course, what PeeBee would say in response would be something like "OK, next time I'll let you screw up." I think Ryder would come out of this exchange looking worse, not better.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 26, 2017 15:09:57 GMT
"Backbone" seems to be a weird way to describe freaking out over that, though I'm not really clear on exactly what you've been asking for Ryder to be able to do there. I'm not really clear on why you have a probem with the word backbone? Why can't Ryder get in the asari's face saying what the **** is your problem? Or say "How would you like if I knock you to the ground"? I'm sure the asari wouldn't like that. Of course, what PeeBee would say in response would be something like an utterly unconcerned "OK, next time I'll let you screw up." I think Ryder would come out of this exchange looking worse, not better. I'm with you as a matter of RP, FWIW. ME:A is very weak on pointless douchebaggery from the PC; including that had been a Bio tradition.
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Post by Vaizer on Aug 26, 2017 17:28:55 GMT
Check this out for a more researched opinion of all of this
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Post by abaris on Aug 26, 2017 17:45:42 GMT
Check this out for a more researched opinion of all of this It's an opinion - an interesting one - but not a researched one. It remains speculation. I for one don't think they never had plans. Garsson, Benefactor and Quarians speak against it. They may have dropped the plans early on when they realized to only have an unpolished turd on offer, but I don't think this to have been the original strategy. It also makes no sense at all to publish the first ten hours - before release - to the general public, in order to promote Origin Access. Before any professional reviews could have been made, but at the same time weathering the shitstorm of the youtube meme creators. Remember, that was at a time when preorders still could be cancelled.
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Post by Mir Aven on Aug 26, 2017 17:58:19 GMT
It also sounds like they literally have no idea what they should do with it, or where it should go next. If it's any comfort, the original trilogy sort of functioned like that. That's not really comforting. ME 1 was fine on it's own, ME 2 was also fine on it's own, but if you look at the trilogy as a whole it feels really disjointed.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 26, 2017 18:25:10 GMT
Of course, what PeeBee would say in response would be something like an utterly unconcerned "OK, next time I'll let you screw up." I think Ryder would come out of this exchange looking worse, not better. I would say the asari would be the one getting the worse end of it. She wants to know more about the remnant stuff. She runs into someone who doesn't put up with her crap. So if she wants to know more about the remnants, she will have to keep herself in check. If she does say screw you to Ryder, I'm sure sam voice will have no problem figuring out what to do.
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Post by Gray Jedi on Aug 26, 2017 19:29:09 GMT
When you release a unfinished product you deserved the criticism i enjoyed Andromeda it was a good game but after all this time i expected better was some of the hate from people doing it because it's the cool thing to do sure but most was because we care about the series and waited a long time for this game. I hope mass effect ruturns but don't expect it for a long time EA said the same thing about dead space and Isaac is still seating on the shelf.
As for Blaming haters saying they killed the game is a weak excuse other games like DA2 and ME3 received big backlash and got multiple story dlcs packs and sequels but nice try.
Andromeda might have made a profit but didn't do as well as EA hoped and after getting most of the money out of game they moved on to other things.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 26, 2017 21:05:26 GMT
Of course they can't admit their game is an absolutely worthless piece of shit, but their actions on the game say exactly that, while of course on the press they'll be like "noooo, the game is great, it doesn't deserve all this criticism"
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Post by Qolx on Aug 26, 2017 21:12:07 GMT
I'd like to believe that my online lunatic ramblings are so powerful they can destroy video game franchises. The Madden series would be dead if I had that power. Alas, I don't. I'm just another idiot ranting on the internet while EA execs are maybe on a yatch off Montenegro snorting cocaine off a sex trafficked Russian hooker's ass.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 26, 2017 22:28:14 GMT
Of course, what PeeBee would say in response would be something like an utterly unconcerned "OK, next time I'll let you screw up." I think Ryder would come out of this exchange looking worse, not better. I would say the asari would be the one getting the worse end of it. She wants to know more about the remnant stuff. She runs into someone who doesn't put up with her crap. So if she wants to know more about the remnants, she will have to keep herself in check. If she does say screw you to Ryder, I'm sure sam voice will have no problem figuring out what to do. I said " looking worse." Ryder would come off looking petty and small. Andtelling Ryder that she was trying to help -- which is completely true-- isn't exactly the same thing as saying "screw you." I agree that Ryder has the substantive power in the situation, and should have been free to exercise it in as petty a fashion as the player wished. OTOH, forced companions aren't exactly new in ME.
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Post by warrior on Aug 26, 2017 22:55:09 GMT
Tough it may be back one day, i wonder if it will ever capture the same kind of magic that the original trilogy did. If Star Wars for example has tough us anything, its that its hard to capture that moment again when you try to make something new. Many of the new movies have tried, all of them have failed. Its also the fault of the high past nostalgia, and some fans can just never get over with, no matter what they bring out. Most evident in those constantly asking Shepard back... This may be the fate of ME as well. The future will never be like the past again. I dunno, I thought The Force Awakens did a pretty good job.
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Post by JokeDealer on Aug 26, 2017 23:56:28 GMT
Then, by your arbitrary definition of a broken game, the Witcher 3 is a broken game. I was unable to finish certain sidequests due to enemies falling through the ground or some glitch robbing me of my ability to draw either of my swords. I experienced the bug that erased your gamesave and saw numerous NPC's just pop out of existence in the backgrounds of certain conversations. One of my treasure hunts was permanently incompletable (it is still bugged to this day) and the game would regularly crash on me, usually preceded by a black screen or a loading screen. Yet, somehow, myself and many others think that the Witcher 3 is damn-near a masterpiece of a video game. Funny how that worked out. I don't think people are claiming that Andromeda wasn't buggy or that you're lying. If they are, they shouldn't be because that is simply untrue. However, parading examples of occasional bugs experienced by a small percentage of players and claiming that it's representative of a 20-60 hour game is disingenuous at the very least. I hope we can at least agree on that. Oh here we go again with Witcher 3 and BW but anyway. My Witcher is actually still incomplete due to Andromeda coming out. You say small percentage of gamers. Where are your source? I read of almost everyone was having at least one bigger problem (source is from here in the troubleshooting section and in other topics). Andromeda was not only buggy and glitchy, it was not an enjoyable game. Add mistakes to that and it can be a very stressful experience. The pacing was off (sorry my english) so some thing happened in wrong order (f.example the Architects). I was never lost of what the heck do next in Witcher even though it was a huge and so well detailed map that I did not want to look out of my own window. So Andromeda overall had too many bugs with uncomplete story served in unnatural order sometimes. That, in result, is a very broken or at least very, very wonky game. First off, your English isn't too bad, so don't worry. I was able to tell what you were getting at without any trouble. No worries. And, yes, it's a small percentage. There's a little less than 9,000 members on this forum. However, not all of them have played Mass Effect or Andromeda, and not all of the users are active, which means that 9,000 is a bit of a gross overestimate. Also, it's a troubleshooting section -- it's usually going to be filled with people having technical issues. There's not a lot of people on a troubleshooting forum who are just popping in to say how smoothly their game is running. Regardless, according to data in a reddit megathread regarding Mass Effect Andromeda sales data (you can find the same thread if you google it), about 2.7 million people bought the game during its first week. Even if everyone on this forum was active, had played Mass Effect Andromeda, and had a buggy experience, we'd only account for 0.333% of all players. However, even if only a million people played the game, we'd only account for 0.9%. So yes, I'd say that less than 1% is a small percentage. Again, I am not claiming Mass Effect Andromeda was a flawless game, but calling it a totally broken game seems like an unfair exaggeration.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 27, 2017 1:48:29 GMT
Oh here we go again with Witcher 3 and BW but anyway. My Witcher is actually still incomplete due to Andromeda coming out. You say small percentage of gamers. Where are your source? I read of almost everyone was having at least one bigger problem (source is from here in the troubleshooting section and in other topics). Andromeda was not only buggy and glitchy, it was not an enjoyable game. Add mistakes to that and it can be a very stressful experience. The pacing was off (sorry my english) so some thing happened in wrong order (f.example the Architects). I was never lost of what the heck do next in Witcher even though it was a huge and so well detailed map that I did not want to look out of my own window. So Andromeda overall had too many bugs with uncomplete story served in unnatural order sometimes. That, in result, is a very broken or at least very, very wonky game. First off, your English isn't too bad, so don't worry. I was able to tell what you were getting at without any trouble. No worries. And, yes, it's a small percentage. There's a little less than 9,000 members on this forum. However, not all of them have played Mass Effect or Andromeda, and not all of the users are active, which means that 9,000 is a bit of a gross overestimate. Also, it's a troubleshooting section -- it's usually going to be filled with people having technical issues. There's not a lot of people on a troubleshooting forum who are just popping in to say how smoothly their game is running. Regardless, according to data in a reddit megathread regarding Mass Effect Andromeda sales data (you can find the same thread if you google it), about 2.7 million people bought the game during its first week. Even if everyone on this forum was active, had played Mass Effect Andromeda, and had a buggy experience, we'd only account for 0.333% of all players. However, even if only a million people played the game, we'd only account for 0.9%. So yes, I'd say that less than 1% is a small percentage. Again, I am not claiming Mass Effect Andromeda was a flawless game, but calling it a totally broken game seems like an unfair exaggeration. Those reddit numbers are bullshit. They're basing number on NPD which is only US sales and doesn't include digital sales for Horizon or Origin (but does include them for PS4 and Xbox for Andromeda). They also discount how Horizon came out at the end of February. Andromeda's right up there with Assassins Creed Unity and that Batman game pulled from Steam in terms of overall bugginess.
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Post by JokeDealer on Aug 27, 2017 2:46:50 GMT
First off, your English isn't too bad, so don't worry. I was able to tell what you were getting at without any trouble. No worries. And, yes, it's a small percentage. There's a little less than 9,000 members on this forum. However, not all of them have played Mass Effect or Andromeda, and not all of the users are active, which means that 9,000 is a bit of a gross overestimate. Also, it's a troubleshooting section -- it's usually going to be filled with people having technical issues. There's not a lot of people on a troubleshooting forum who are just popping in to say how smoothly their game is running. Regardless, according to data in a reddit megathread regarding Mass Effect Andromeda sales data (you can find the same thread if you google it), about 2.7 million people bought the game during its first week. Even if everyone on this forum was active, had played Mass Effect Andromeda, and had a buggy experience, we'd only account for 0.333% of all players. However, even if only a million people played the game, we'd only account for 0.9%. So yes, I'd say that less than 1% is a small percentage. Again, I am not claiming Mass Effect Andromeda was a flawless game, but calling it a totally broken game seems like an unfair exaggeration. Those reddit numbers are bullshit. They're basing number on NPD which is only US sales and doesn't include digital sales for Horizon or Origin (but does include them for PS4 and Xbox for Andromeda). They also discount how Horizon came out at the end of February. Andromeda's right up there with Assassins Creed Unity and that Batman game pulled from Steam in terms of overall bugginess. Maybe they are. I don't know nearly enough to dispute them or your claims, so I won't attempt to. However, I did drop the number as low as 1 million for the sake of argument. The point I'm trying to make is that this forum is not a reliable or accurate representation of all Bioware fans. I know that a lot of us on the BSN prefer to think that Bioware community begins and ends with us, but it doesn't. In fact, some of the other Bioware fans I've had the pleasure of meeting via conventions, online gaming, and the subreddit can't stand the BSN. In regards to your last point, would you still say that after the patches and bug fixes they've put out?
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Post by suikoden on Aug 27, 2017 2:57:12 GMT
Those reddit numbers are bullshit. They're basing number on NPD which is only US sales and doesn't include digital sales for Horizon or Origin (but does include them for PS4 and Xbox for Andromeda). They also discount how Horizon came out at the end of February. Andromeda's right up there with Assassins Creed Unity and that Batman game pulled from Steam in terms of overall bugginess. Maybe they are. I don't know nearly enough to dispute them or your claims, so I won't attempt to. However, I did drop the number as low as 1 million for the sake of argument. The point I'm trying to make is that this forum is not a reliable or accurate representation of all Bioware fans. I know that a lot of us on the BSN prefer to think that Bioware community begins and ends with us, but it doesn't. In fact, some of the other Bioware fans I've had the pleasure of meeting via conventions, online gaming, and the subreddit can't stand the BSN. In regards to your last point, would you still say that after the patches and bug fixes they've put out? Agreed that we're not the norm - haven't played the game after patches - looks like quality is better overall - my issues were always with the writing/dialogue/story/characters/world though. I could overlook the bugs if everything else was up to par.
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Post by JokeDealer on Aug 27, 2017 3:09:07 GMT
Maybe they are. I don't know nearly enough to dispute them or your claims, so I won't attempt to. However, I did drop the number as low as 1 million for the sake of argument. The point I'm trying to make is that this forum is not a reliable or accurate representation of all Bioware fans. I know that a lot of us on the BSN prefer to think that Bioware community begins and ends with us, but it doesn't. In fact, some of the other Bioware fans I've had the pleasure of meeting via conventions, online gaming, and the subreddit can't stand the BSN. In regards to your last point, would you still say that after the patches and bug fixes they've put out? Agreed that we're not the norm - haven't played the game after patches - looks like quality is better overall - my issues were always with the writing/dialogue/story/characters/world though. I could overlook the bugs if everything else was up to par. I'm glad we were able to agree on something. Honestly, I haven't played the game any further either, but I never experienced that many bugs in the first place. As for your other issues, those are subjective complaints and it's hard to argue with that. Although I did notice a few cheesy lines, I didn't take much issue with them. I personally thought that the loyalty missions were some of the best in the series. Like I said, I think that the game is a solid 6/10. However, I very much disagree with the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda is somehow worse than Dragon Age II, which it is according to Metacritic.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 27, 2017 9:20:58 GMT
Agreed that we're not the norm - haven't played the game after patches - looks like quality is better overall - my issues were always with the writing/dialogue/story/characters/world though. I could overlook the bugs if everything else was up to par. I'm glad we were able to agree on something. Honestly, I haven't played the game any further either, but I never experienced that many bugs in the first place. As for your other issues, those are subjective complaints and it's hard to argue with that. Although I did notice a few cheesy lines, I didn't take much issue with them. I personally thought that the loyalty missions were some of the best in the series. Like I said, I think that the game is a solid 6/10. However, I very much disagree with the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda is somehow worse than Dragon Age II, which it is according to Metacritic. From a purely technical standpoint, Dragon Age 2 is definitely one of the worst for how poorly assembled its environments are, and how incomplete things can feel. If you observe numerous NPC's littering the area, particularly Lowtown, you'll see that some of them are very basic polygon figures that look like something out of an old PS2 game. I mean, look at this low-res demon hanging around the Alienage. But DA2's characters have strong personalities and bigger narratives that span the entire game, a couple of which are directly involved in the story in a meaningful way. For all of DA2's weaknesses, it very much plays up BioWare's core strengths. Personally, I thought the game was a bit of a riot. Lots of characters had amusing or meaningful things to say, and I think that DA2 has some of the best companion quests in the series.
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Post by abaris on Aug 27, 2017 9:47:25 GMT
However, I very much disagree with the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda is somehow worse than Dragon Age II, which it is according to Metacritic. I played DA2 after MEA - for the first time. And I have to say, MEA feels worse to me. It's that overall feeling of blandness that gets to me. I'm not sure, but maybe it's the vast open spaces with nothing in them, that lead me to that judgment. The game is 80 percent boring fillers and only 20 percent game. The vaults in themselves fall into the filler category to make the game seem longer at any cost. You activate the pillars by solving some sudoku riddle, fight a few remnants, rinse and repeat. You enter the vaults, solve a few riddles, jump across a few gaps, fight a few remnants and outrun the cloud. Again, rinse and repeat.
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Post by Serza on Aug 27, 2017 9:55:40 GMT
First off, your English isn't too bad, so don't worry. I was able to tell what you were getting at without any trouble. No worries. And, yes, it's a small percentage. There's a little less than 9,000 members on this forum. However, not all of them have played Mass Effect or Andromeda, and not all of the users are active, which means that 9,000 is a bit of a gross overestimate. Also, it's a troubleshooting section -- it's usually going to be filled with people having technical issues. There's not a lot of people on a troubleshooting forum who are just popping in to say how smoothly their game is running. Regardless, according to data in a reddit megathread regarding Mass Effect Andromeda sales data (you can find the same thread if you google it), about 2.7 million people bought the game during its first week. Even if everyone on this forum was active, had played Mass Effect Andromeda, and had a buggy experience, we'd only account for 0.333% of all players. However, even if only a million people played the game, we'd only account for 0.9%. So yes, I'd say that less than 1% is a small percentage. Again, I am not claiming Mass Effect Andromeda was a flawless game, but calling it a totally broken game seems like an unfair exaggeration. Those reddit numbers are bullshit. They're basing number on NPD which is only US sales and doesn't include digital sales for Horizon or Origin (but does include them for PS4 and Xbox for Andromeda). They also discount how Horizon came out at the end of February. Andromeda's right up there with Assassins Creed Unity and that Batman game pulled from Steam in terms of overall bugginess. Didn't you yourself use NPD as an accurate sales number before? So, it says something that doesn't suit you, suddenly it's bad? Wow. Am I remembering this right?
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Post by JokeDealer on Aug 27, 2017 11:17:57 GMT
However, I very much disagree with the notion that Mass Effect Andromeda is somehow worse than Dragon Age II, which it is according to Metacritic. I played DA2 after MEA - for the first time. And I have to say, MEA feels worse to me. It's that overall feeling of blandness that gets to me. I'm not sure, but maybe it's the vast open spaces with nothing in them, that lead me to that judgment. The game is 80 percent boring fillers and only 20 percent game. The vaults in themselves fall into the filler category to make the game seem longer at any cost. You activate the pillars by solving some sudoku riddle, fight a few remnants, rinse and repeat. You enter the vaults, solve a few riddles, jump across a few gaps, fight a few remnants and outrun the cloud. Again, rinse and repeat. You see, Dragon Age II felt entirely like filler to me. Random fights were plentiful and always involved multiple waves of enemies, which only made going from one objective to another take even longer. More often than not, that meant enemies and reinforcements would appear as if from out of thin air. Every choice felt cheapened by the ending because it felt as if you just spent twenty hours setting up the sequel, with Hawke receiving next to no resolution. And, regardless of whether you sided with Mages or Templar, both leaders ended up becoming literal monsters, but, for Orsino, it was completely out of character. Plus, there were so few locations in Dragon Age II, it was easy to get sick of them. I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but I just felt I needed to give some context to my distaste for Dragon Age II. It's another objectively decent game, but, unlike Andromeda, it felt like I accomplished nothing as Hawke. Doubly so after playing Inquisition, where you spend a good majority of the game cleaning up Hawke's messes and failures.
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Post by abaris on Aug 27, 2017 11:27:22 GMT
I'm not saying you're wrong or anything, but I just felt I needed to give some context to my distaste for Dragon Age II. It's another objectively decent game, but, unlike Andromeda, it felt like I accomplished nothing as Hawke. Doubly so after playing Inquisition, where you spend a good majority of the game cleaning up Hawke's messes and failures. And yet I could immerse myself in the Hawke character. I couldn't with Ryder. Ryder felt like an avatar, a vehicle to be steered through the game. Hawke with all their failures, felt like a person, Ryder felt like a jerk. The companions certainly added their part to the feeling. They're not on par with DA2, and I never thought I would say this, since I hated DA2 at release and after having played the demo. Only after MEA did disappoint me on many levels, I thought to give it a try. Truth is, I probably would have hated DA2 had I played it after Origins and ME2. But as compared to MEA, I don't.
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