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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 15:55:09 GMT
my point exactly. Who is to say that Ryders bros mother, jaarda, scourge, Kett, Primus, angaran a.i etc are not to be revisted in future MeA games? And the Garsson murder? Do you really think more than a hand full of people still give a shit in 5 to ten years, if it happens at all? and this is the bummer, . some wont give a rat's ass. Me2 came soon after me1 and the hype was there. If Mea2 happens at all and takes 5+ years then you are right. Hope you are wrong though.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 15:57:57 GMT
Don't you see how annoying that is? I play games, I'm not into reading some crappy novel or comic to get my games worth. If that turns out to be the new policy with Bioware games, they shouldn't act all surprised and butthurt, if people don't appreciate where that leads. I expect to get a finished game and not something to be continued in our comics. What do you mean? The open plot threads are either for future games (i.e. a sequel) or have nothing to do with Ryder. So what is your problem again? The game is finished and won't get continued in other media. In novels and comics you will get side content or prequel stuff fleshing out the universe, but you won't miss a second of what is planned for your Ryder's story if you don't read them.i would not put my hand fire for this one though. I hope you aew wrong. I also hope that MeA2 begins shortly after that DAMNED SHARDS WORLD SHOOTER named Anthem. Or mybe Anthem is THAt good and we wont care for ME universe whcih i highly doubt
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Post by decafhigh on Aug 24, 2017 15:59:05 GMT
Didn't read the whole article, just the part quoted in the OP. All that tells me is EA/BW learned nothing from MEA. " Maybe" there were some things they could have done better? Really? Next is he gonna tell me " maybe" fire is a little warm to the touch? All in all he thinks MEA "is a great game". Well, guess that tells me all I need to know.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 15:59:58 GMT
6. Old BioWare is dead and gone. Sure Flynn might come back so he can put his 20 in, but it's a shell of what it once was. Nostalgia be damned. I like the new BioWare, but I also love the Roman Catholic church (and that's a topic for a whole video.) so... there is admiration there, but I see the difference that I couldn't see unlike the growing malcontents that are getting fed up with the so-called AAA industry. I dunno. ME:A feels like standard Bio to me. It's got some bad writing and questionable mechanics, sure, but not as much as the NWN OC. It's not the talent. The talent is there! There is no prosthetic for soul. We're on the unofficial forums. We don't matter anymore. That's my POV. I hate being here. I absolutely hate it. I know BioWare has talent. They churned out an incredible game (1.09) in 20 months. To a junkie like me... that's GOD SMACK. However, they let three years go by (36 months. Think on that.) and they still recovered enough to make a very good game that had it's normal amount of issues (really, not a huge deal. I would say the entire trilogy minus the last fifteen minutes and about 10 minutes of cringe/bad lore in 90 hours is pretty freaking phenomenal. Andromeda has maybe 15 minutes of that. Again, Mac Walters did well. Yeah, I know the same Mac Walters and ME3. I'm well-versed...) but did it matter? Nope. EA pulls the plug and says Anthem is our next cash cow. Praise it, spend your money and be grateful that BioWare will now be chained to it for another decade. I'm just disappointed... but the worst part is that I refuse to be disappointed any longer. Anthem better be flawless or a promise of decade support will end when the studio is closed. Edmonton has never been more vulnerable from my perspective. Aw BioWare...
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2017 16:00:46 GMT
He acknowledges the games flaws. I don't get why some people say that he's blaming gamers.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:06:31 GMT
Andromeda got too much criticism? EAdude must be new here. If you cancel out the fanboys and haters, the game was reportedly mediocre. The kind of mediocre that just doesn't sell. It's like good movies, so-bad-they're-good movies and... just sort of bland movies. I'm sure EA made its money back and then a bit, but it's not the profit they were looking for. It's not rocket science. I played all 2017 major releases except Zelda. Some personal thoughts:i dont see why horizon zero dawn is thought to be a better game (at least sales tell that) for most (not me though, i liked it though) when the dialogue is way more awkward with no proper introduction to any npc giving you quests, they are just there. The interesting story is not playble but being told in hiolograms, What you do play and experience as Aloy is in no way more interesting that MeA sidequests. Let alone the gameplay, MeA has way more diversity (no pun intended) Facial animations while GOOD and sometimes fantastic tend to overeaction. No sane person woud have these facial expressions irl. I wonlt mention the charcters, gameplay and story of Nier automata. My inteligence got insulted from all that juvenile japanese fandom.
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Post by traks on Aug 24, 2017 16:06:36 GMT
What do you mean? The open plot threads are either for future games (i.e. a sequel) or have nothing to do with Ryder. So what is your problem again? The game is finished and won't get continued in other media. In novels and comics you will get side content or prequel stuff fleshing out the universe, but you won't miss a second of what is planned for your Ryder's story if you don't read them.i would not put my hand fire for this one though. I hope you aew wrong. I also hope that MeA2 begins shortly after that DAMNED SHARDS WORLD SHOOTER named Anthem. Or mybe Anthem is THAt good and we wont care for ME universe whcih i highly doubt Once a Ryder JR. is the protagonist of anything else than a game you know that we - as players - are not returning to Andromeda. I'm not saying that can never happen (of course they could decide that the next ME game takes place elsewhere), but it's not happening with the stuff that comes out in the near future (because that was all pre-planned and I think BioWare/EA is still in the "what do we do now with Mass Effect?"-phase). Would be interesting to get into one of the upcoming strategy meetings. EA executive: "so what are our options? Put everything on the table!" Mac Walters: "we had planned to do this." EA executive: "next." Casey Hudson: "we could go that direction." EA executive: "next." Everyone in the room tries not to look the executive in the eyes. EA executive: "anyone? Any ideas? C'mon. Yeah we fucked up lately, but there are still five million probable buyers out there. Let's go people, we need ideas!"
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 24, 2017 16:07:32 GMT
You see, I encountered next to none of those sorts of glitches. It was a relatively painless experience from start to finish. I honestly had a good time. When I was done with that, I actually went straight into Persona 5, which was a masterpiece in and of itself. That game oddly enough, did not crash or glitch on me once. I was honestly surprised.Persona 5 = played it after HZD and just LOVED IT 100% agreed, omg this masterpiece! Need to play my second playthrough soon. thanks for the discussion, always nice to exchange different point of view PS: I will certainly replay MEA in the future, with all the patches and a totally new character since they added stuff in the CC... I'm wondering if it will change a bit my opinion about the game now that many things are fixed, wait and see... I honestly find the game much improved by the patches. Far fewer strange things, CC is much better (I am also useing a couple of mods this time through), quests don't bug out. Then there's Jaal's mm romance however you feel about it. But it's not suddenly a different game with the fixes.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 24, 2017 16:07:45 GMT
Andromeda got too much criticism? EAdude must be new here. If you cancel out the fanboys and haters, the game was reportedly mediocre. The kind of mediocre that just doesn't sell. It's like good movies, so-bad-they're-good movies and... just sort of bland movies. Andromeda is like the latter (post bug/animation fixes). I'm sure EA made its money back and then a bit, but it's not the profit they were looking for. It's not rocket science. No he's right. Too many people were just waiting to bash the game, including those who never touched it.
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Post by glockwheeler on Aug 24, 2017 16:15:29 GMT
Unfortunately, as I have thought since the end of ME3, I believe Bioware kind of wrote themselves into a bit of a corner. As much as I wanted the series to carry on in the Milky Way, post reaper war, there really wasn't a good way to do that with the differing ending options and the condition the galaxy was left in. On the flip side, I didn't like the whole skipping to Andromeda to escape the Milky Way quagmire, either. Regardless of the issues with the original trilogy, I still connected with the overall story and with Shepard and crew as well. I did not have any such connection with MEA, at all. I realize that some fans have that connection with MEA, and to be honest, I am glad that they got that with this game. I was hoping that MEA would actually be able to at least match the original games in overall story, but I realized early on in the game that it pretty much sucked, as written.
As far as continuing with a future game or games, I really am not sure what I would do with the franchise. It is actually a bit of a mess at this point. I hope Casey and the members of whatever team he has assembled in the future find a way to light a fire in the franchise again, but in a good way. On a side note, I will say that I am a bit dismayed by the way members treat each other on this board. It is a bit similar to what was happening on the Bioware forums before it was locked down. Mass Effect, by name, was a bit accurate in that it certainly had an effect and on the masses who became fans. Just looking at the mixed opinions and emotions from ME fans, Bioware is certainly going to have their work cut out for them, should they take on the task of creating another future game. It really sucks in the fact that ME is the best Sci-Fi series to come along since Star Wars and Star Trek, but it is surrounded by such bitter behavior and downright disrespect at times. Great series that has had a pretty negative effect on several of it's fans.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 24, 2017 16:17:07 GMT
I'm genuinely curious about what it is that makes people think some fans wanted MEA to fail. To be fair, some people did. The confusion being deliberately sown is to use the term "fans" to describe them, as it allows the speaker to homogenize all dissenting opinion into a single convenient "other" to blame. You could replace the labels pretty easily and the phenomenon applies to most world views entrenched in confirmation bias. The loudest voices in any argument or discussion are going to be the angriest ones. It is easy to paint the entire discussion in the extreme (and generally incorrect) positions of these loudest and angriest voices. It's also especially convenient for "refuting without refuting." "It's not BioWare's fault the game was released early, it's the fans' fault for anticipating the game." "It's not BioWare's fault the game has issues, it's the fanbase's fault for criticizing those issues." My favourite: "It's the critics/fans' fault that there will be no DLC." Or, to be fair and offer opposing examples... "Releasing the game unfinished is fraud." "Fixing exploits before bugs is proof that BioWare hates us." "BioWare didn't test their game." And even though most of the points will fall in between the extreme examples, the loudest and angriest comments carry the furthest, and will provoke the most angry reactions (thus perpetuating the cycle.) Some people did want ME:A to fail. If I had to guess, they were mostly represented by two groups: Some people especially angry over ME 3's ending or change in setting/story to accommodate Andromeda, and a group of people convinced there is a hive political mind at BioWare out to get "gamers." I doubt there were much more than a few hundred of them, but they were more than obsessive enough to populate just about any forum about BioWare with at least a few members ready to go off at the slightest opportunity/provocation. But they are not to blame for whether or not there was additional content. Guddammit I start out with such simple things to say and then just drone on and on... sorry. I will go have more coffee. Partial blame in my book, as it follows the whole "thought leader" mentality of people pushing the myth of a belief, regardless of it's validity, as the truth. And when enough people buy into it...it becomes the truth. To the EA execs...why beat that dead horse when they can focus on something else. It kind of reminds me of other games, some inexplicably considered good still. Take, for example, Vampire The Masquerade: Bloodlines. A lot of people laud the game as being one of the best ever made...but how many people have actually played it? And more importantly, how many have played it recently for the nostalgia kick? You have, at best, a subpar game with half-baked ideas, troubled development cycle with a relatively small dev team, very mediocre storytelling, weak combat mechanics, decent characters but a poorly constructed user interface. Still, by many a grognard it is considered one of the best ever because of the circumstances of it's release and cancellation by Activision, among other things like the "purity" of it's role-playing mechanics. In a lot of ways, Vampire is as middling as Mass Effect: Andromeda. But it is interesting to see how people latch onto one over the other despite both having the same amount of flaws baked into it's design. If we were going by pure objective accounts, both games are in the same boat. But we never do, it is always subjective our analysis, and what we have increasingly seen is a ton of people who have used, and I would argue, abuse their position to promote a subjective analysis for an objective truth. That is all academic ultimately, arguing what is true or not, but for the general public...what becomes the truth is more important than what is true after all. BioWare and EA rightfully get the blame they deserve, but the general gaming populace also needs to shoulder some of it too. This is not the first time this has happened, this wont be the last. Either they get better at promoting games or discussing them, or they continue to just act without much regard to accuracy. I prefer the former, personally.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:18:21 GMT
Andromeda got too much criticism? EAdude must be new here. If you cancel out the fanboys and haters, the game was reportedly mediocre. The kind of mediocre that just doesn't sell. It's like good movies, so-bad-they're-good movies and... just sort of bland movies. Andromeda is like the latter (post bug/animation fixes). I'm sure EA made its money back and then a bit, but it's not the profit they were looking for. It's not rocket science. No he's right. Too many people were just waiting to bash the game, including those who never touched it. some in here also
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 16:20:20 GMT
Andromeda got too much criticism? EAdude must be new here. If you cancel out the fanboys and haters, the game was reportedly mediocre. The kind of mediocre that just doesn't sell. It's like good movies, so-bad-they're-good movies and... just sort of bland movies. Andromeda is like the latter (post bug/animation fixes). I'm sure EA made its money back and then a bit, but it's not the profit they were looking for. It's not rocket science. No he's right. Too many people were just waiting to bash the game, including those who never touched it. Tell me about it. I had $120 spread out over several patreons for the last year or so. Some are $10, some are $5, some are $1. I re-arrange by content. When AngryJoe blew up, I lowered my contribution not because of anything other than wanting to support other folks. Anyway, this summer I re-arranged a lot over Andromeda. The ones that just crapped all over BioWare were dropped like a hot potato because it's not about being right or wrong, it's about having choices. I choose not to endorse that bashing even though... it's well deserved. EA's pulling the plug is pretty much a breakup letter you get in the mail while serving overseas. It happened. Move on.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:22:56 GMT
ON A SIDENOTE: i am kinda bummed also cause now wtih MeA and no news for Da4, we have nothing to discuss and rave about and argue and hype ourselves - each other. This would not be the case if DLC was on the way. Now we have to wait years for Da4 . as for Anthem i guess few here will participate in it's forum. I won't propably unless i buy ir and i will buy it IF it has a meaty SP packed with story.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 24, 2017 16:23:56 GMT
ON A SIDENOTE: i am kinda bummed also cause now wtih MeA and no news for Da4, we have nothing to discuss and rave about and argue and hype ourselves - each other. This would not be the case if DLC was on the way. Now we have to wait years for Da4 . as for Anthem i guess few here will participate in it's forum. I won't propably unless i buy ir and i will buy it IF it has a meaty SP packed with story. What about the trickling info on Anthem?
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Post by Iakus on Aug 24, 2017 16:27:27 GMT
He acknowledges the games flaws. I don't get why some people say that he's blaming gamers. Which flaws did he acknowledge? All he says are "there are some things we maybe could have done differently" For all we know, he thinks there should have been MORE microtransactions, fewer rpg mechanics, and less dialogue.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:27:54 GMT
ON A SIDENOTE: i am kinda bummed also cause now wtih MeA and no news for Da4, we have nothing to discuss and rave about and argue and hype ourselves - each other. This would not be the case if DLC was on the way. Now we have to wait years for Da4 . as for Anthem i guess few here will participate in it's forum. I won't propably unless i buy ir and i will buy it IF it has a meaty SP packed with story. What about the trickling info on Anthem? Which is? i do not care much about online games. I have no time for them. As of now me being in the forums right now i have some days off.
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Post by smilesja on Aug 24, 2017 16:32:42 GMT
He acknowledges the games flaws. I don't get why some people say that he's blaming gamers. Which flaws did he acknowledge? All he says are "there are some things we maybe could have done differently" For all we know, he thinks there should have been MORE microtransactions, fewer rpg mechanics, and less dialogue. Maybe he should be more specific but he acknowledge some criticism.
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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 24, 2017 16:40:19 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all.
I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 16:42:40 GMT
I dunno. ME:A feels like standard Bio to me. It's got some bad writing and questionable mechanics, sure, but not as much as the NWN OC. It's not the talent. The talent is there! There is no prosthetic for soul. *shrug* "Soul" has always struck me as a placeholder term we use when we can't define what we're actually talking about. Of course, if a game doesn't work for you, it doesn't.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:47:01 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all.I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time. why not the possibility that many reviews are total b.s? i dont have faith in reviewers anymore. I ve found myself disagreeing with many many reviews the last years. Revewing a game is a process where you must play the game in order to epxerience it not the sake of reviewing it . this is a task. The best most honest reviews come from this perspective imo.
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 16:47:59 GMT
It's not the talent. The talent is there! There is no prosthetic for soul. *shrug* "Soul" has always struck me as a placeholder term we use when we can't define what we're actually talking about. Not the most religious guy here eh? me neither.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 24, 2017 16:51:09 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all. I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time. It WAS one of the best IPs. But they burned down the setting in ME3 and still haven't found a good way to bring it back, as MEA demonstrated.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 16:59:54 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all.I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time. why not the possibility that many reviews are total b.s? i dont have faith in reviewers anymore. I ve found myself disagreeing with many many reviews the last years. Revewing a game is a process where you must play the game in order to epxerience it not the sake of reviewing it . this is a task. The best most honest reviews come from this perspective imo.Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 24, 2017 17:00:06 GMT
*shrug* "Soul" has always struck me as a placeholder term we use when we can't define what we're actually talking about. Not the most religious guy here eh? me neither. It's the whole family. The other night -- I forget exactly how this came up, but since we were all watching Shameless it might have been related to an abortion plotline -- my 21-year-old piped up with -"I don't get it. After a kid figures out there's no Santa Claus, how come he doesn't always take the next step and figure out that there's no God either? Aren't they the same thing?"
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