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Post by cypherj on Aug 24, 2017 17:03:18 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all. I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time. They made ME into Shepard's story and ended that story. It's not like DA where the games are built on the world more than the protagonists. So if they were to bring ME back, they had to make something great, to re-establish the series and have it gain a new foothold. Then they would have wanted to capitalize on it right away while the iron was hot to really cement it. However, they stumbled out of the gate, released a mediocre game, and now they have to decide whether they can, after abandoning ME:A come back in four or five years with something new, and have it be successful. They'd be taking a risk, because the excitement isn't going to be there so people aren't going to rush out and pre-order the next one. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 17:08:57 GMT
why not the possibility that many reviews are total b.s? i dont have faith in reviewers anymore. I ve found myself disagreeing with many many reviews the last years. Revewing a game is a process where you must play the game in order to epxerience it not the sake of reviewing it . this is a task. The best most honest reviews come from this perspective imo.Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it. Sure man, it's totally acceptable for many to not enjoy andromeda, i do not claim it is not. Nor do i claim andromeda has not flaws. What i dislike is the double standards whoch the gaming press sure has it plenty. P.S i like my meats well done all the time. |
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 24, 2017 17:12:10 GMT
It's hard to hold out much hope for a franchise when the people behind it blame the audience for its failings, without accepting any responsibility for their role in the problems the game had. Honestly, I'm not interested in any more Mass Effect games. I don't believe BioWare is prepared to accept responsibility for a game like it. Regardless of whether EA or BioWare's management is the problem, neither are have been willing to accept any responsibility for their actions for years. I don't believe that will change, but I have stopped caring. TBH if they don't tie up the loose threads from MEA in the next ME game I'm not sure I will be either. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 17:15:13 GMT
Not the most religious guy here eh? me neither. It's the whole family. The other night -- I forget exactly how this came up, but since we were all watching Shameless it might have been related to an abortion plotline -- my 21-year-old piped up with -"I don't get it. After a kid figures out there's no Santa Claus, how come he doesn't always take the next step and figure out that there's no God either? Aren't they the same thing?" well technically santa claus (the red one with the gifts travelling in FTL speeds acroos the globe) is a coca-cola marketing invention, no? |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 24, 2017 17:20:48 GMT
Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it. Sure man, it's totally acceptable for many to not enjoy andromeda, i do not claim it is not. Nor do i claim andromeda has not flaws. What i dislike is the double standards whoch the gaming press sure has it plenty. P.S i like my meats well done all the time. What double standard? If anything, reviews for Andromeda were generous given its quality. If this was some random 3rd party game it'd be averaging 50s. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:24:59 GMT
Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it. Sure man, it's totally acceptable for many to not enjoy andromeda, i do not claim it is not. Nor do i claim andromeda has not flaws. What i dislike is the double standards whoch the gaming press sure has it plenty. P.S i like my meats well done all the time. And just so you know I'm not trying to be combative at all. Just pointing out some problems I had with the statement. I enjoyed (as I've stated many times in other threads) ME:A enough to do an almost complete (99%) play through. If the game would have been released AFTER all the patching it would have been better received. If I had to give it a professional type review based off what's there after patching I'd give it a 8/10. But my opinion is its still a 7/10 just because I can't stand Bioware's transition to open world. Their side quest structure is just too bland and boring for me. I'm very much a completionist and skipping side quest is a no-no. Also, the companions just didn't do it for me. I felt they were the weakest of the lot overall. |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 17:28:32 GMT
It's not the talent. The talent is there! There is no prosthetic for soul. *shrug* "Soul" has always struck me as a placeholder term we use when we can't define what we're actually talking about. Of course, if a game doesn't work for you, it doesn't. We're on the unofficial forums. I already have an issue with that. The old forums when they were actually moderated had me entirely focused on what steps were being made. If it's not soul, what is it then? I'm in that gap where I can't sufficiently explain what I see is wrong. I say "soul" because to me it's the representation of the spirit of the studio. A bad title is not enough to call for doom and gloom. Every artist has sub-par titles for the mainstream crowd. Every one has multiple disappointments one way or another. I get that. However, after all the polishing, 1.09 deserved DLC. To snuff it out and say, "F*** it... we're going to Anthem." is pretty soulless. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 17:29:25 GMT
Sure man, it's totally acceptable for many to not enjoy andromeda, i do not claim it is not. Nor do i claim andromeda has not flaws. What i dislike is the double standards whoch the gaming press sure has it plenty. P.S i like my meats well done all the time. What double standard? If anything, reviews for Andromeda were generous given its quality. If this was some random 3rd party game it'd be averaging 50s. I claim the opposite, it was not named mass effect it would have gotten less hate and more favorable reviews. To each his own, we are not going to agree on anything regarding andeomeda and you know that. You are all negative regarding this game anyway.  |
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Post by cypherj on Aug 24, 2017 17:30:08 GMT
It's hard to hold out much hope for a franchise when the people behind it blame the audience for its failings, without accepting any responsibility for their role in the problems the game had. Honestly, I'm not interested in any more Mass Effect games. I don't believe BioWare is prepared to accept responsibility for a game like it. Regardless of whether EA or BioWare's management is the problem, neither are have been willing to accept any responsibility for their actions for years. I don't believe that will change, but I have stopped caring. TBH if they don't tie up the loose threads from MEA in the next ME game I'm not sure I will be either. I have a feeling they're going to distance themselves as far away from ME:A as possible if they make another game. If you look at what the guy said, he said it has to be something fresh if they bring it back and they don't know what that would be yet. So sounds like they're going completely back to the drawing board. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 17:32:35 GMT
Sure man, it's totally acceptable for many to not enjoy andromeda, i do not claim it is not. Nor do i claim andromeda has not flaws. What i dislike is the double standards whoch the gaming press sure has it plenty. P.S i like my meats well done all the time. And just so you know I'm not trying to be combative at all. Just pointing out some problems I had with the statement. I enjoyed (as I've stated many times in other threads) ME:A enough to do an almost complete (99%) play through. If the game would have been released AFTER all the patching it would have been better received. If I had to give it a professional type review based off what's there after patching I'd give it a 8/10. But my opinion is its still a 7/10 just because I can't stand Bioware's transition to open world. Their side quest structure is just too bland and boring for me. I'm very much a completionist and skipping side quest is a no-no. Also, the companions just didn't do it for me. I felt they were the weakest of the lot overall. yes andromeda would be a better game if it wasn't open world and and instead was more linear which brings tight storytelling. Also 1 or 2 planets should have Nomad driving and this in the same context as feros had in me1. Personally i find open world sacrificing storytelling in all games. |
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 24, 2017 17:34:45 GMT
All I really paid attention to is this quote:
"What we need to be careful though of is, whenever we bring Mass Effect back again, we have to make sure that we bring it back in a really [relevant] way, and in a fresh, exciting place," he added..."
So it really depends on what they mean by "relevant" and what they're using it in relation to.
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Post by danishgambit on Aug 24, 2017 17:39:45 GMT
And just so you know I'm not trying to be combative at all. Just pointing out some problems I had with the statement. I enjoyed (as I've stated many times in other threads) ME:A enough to do an almost complete (99%) play through. If the game would have been released AFTER all the patching it would have been better received. If I had to give it a professional type review based off what's there after patching I'd give it a 8/10. But my opinion is its still a 7/10 just because I can't stand Bioware's transition to open world. Their side quest structure is just too bland and boring for me. I'm very much a completionist and skipping side quest is a no-no. Also, the companions just didn't do it for me. I felt they were the weakest of the lot overall. yes andromeda would be a better game if it wasn't open world and and instead was more linear which brings tight storytelling. Also 1 or 2 planets should have Nomad driving and this in the same context as feros had in me1. Personally i find open world sacrificing storytelling in all games. GTA V was open world and didn't sacrifice any story at all. Granted, it wasn't as complicated of a story I guess, but the game still managed to have a great number of fun and meaningful sidequest storylines while the more tedious quests were still available for those that just want busywork. It's possible for sure but I doubt that any publisher would give anyone the time to do it in the way an open-world RPG would have to be done. Both DAI and ME:A kind of struggled in the story department and I think would've definitely been better being linear. But I don't think you go form open-world to linear these days. They're all-in now. |
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Post by Guts on Aug 24, 2017 17:45:37 GMT
And while they're at it, they can do a repeat of ME2 and only include straight people plus one token bi woman because Girl-on-Girl is Hot. That way they won't have to worry about people screaming that the game was ruined by "SJWs". What does any of this have to do with sexuality? There were people yelling SJW, etc etc... but don't act as if there wasn't legitimate problems with Andromeda that people had issue with. Not everyone was screaming "the SJWs ruined Andromeda" I consider the whole SJW thing a bit of a Red Herring, as it had very little to do with the actual problems of the game. I enjoyed the game personally, but it was very much a flawed game. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 24, 2017 17:46:32 GMT
yes andromeda would be a better game if it wasn't open world and and instead was more linear which brings tight storytelling. Also 1 or 2 planets should have Nomad driving and this in the same context as feros had in me1. Personally i find open world sacrificing storytelling in all games. GTA V was open world and didn't sacrifice any story at all. Granted, it wasn't as complicated of a story I guess, but the game still managed to have a great number of fun and meaningful sidequest storylines while the more tedious quests were still available for those that just want busywork. It's possible for sure but I doubt that any publisher would give anyone the time to do it in the way an open-world RPG would have to be done. Both DAI and ME:A kind of struggled in the story department and I think would've definitely been better being linear. But I don't think you go form open-world to linear these days. They're all-in now. man i never managed to finish GTAV. i wonder how come it sold 80 million copies when it was full with tedious quests and repetive gameplay. also the gunplay was weak, get in cover and shoot with auto lock.... |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:46:33 GMT
why not the possibility that many reviews are total b.s? i dont have faith in reviewers anymore. I ve found myself disagreeing with many many reviews the last years. Revewing a game is a process where you must play the game in order to epxerience it not the sake of reviewing it . this is a task. The best most honest reviews come from this perspective imo.Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it. Lol. The best part is when the chef comes to your table to tell you that his food is "art" and you should appreciate what he's given you and be grateful, you whiny little bitch.  |
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Post by Guts on Aug 24, 2017 17:48:40 GMT
Wrong. It was doomed to fail from the people who couldn't get over the endings and were begging for it to fail. Wrong, It was doomed to fail because of all the bugs at launch, crap animations, poor story, poor characters and poorly written dialogue. I can agree on the lackluster story, bugs, and animations, but I think the squadmates were fine, villain was cliched AF though. Dialogue seems to be a subjective issue, but in my eyes, at times it was good, other times it was cheesy. (Like Liam's shot him in the face comment, that one was awful) |
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Post by cypherj on Aug 24, 2017 17:53:51 GMT
yes andromeda would be a better game if it wasn't open world and and instead was more linear which brings tight storytelling. Also 1 or 2 planets should have Nomad driving and this in the same context as feros had in me1. Personally i find open world sacrificing storytelling in all games. GTA V was open world and didn't sacrifice any story at all. Granted, it wasn't as complicated of a story I guess, but the game still managed to have a great number of fun and meaningful sidequest storylines while the more tedious quests were still available for those that just want busywork. It's possible for sure but I doubt that any publisher would give anyone the time to do it in the way an open-world RPG would have to be done. Both DAI and ME:A kind of struggled in the story department and I think would've definitely been better being linear. But I don't think you go form open-world to linear these days. They're all-in now. They had a built in way to do it in Andromeda though. All they had to do was tie the side quests into how your colony developed. Tie in the pods you opened as well. Now you aren't just getting viability points doing meaningless quests. You're creating a lab, a hydroponics bay, and outpost, whatever. You'd have been looking forward to doing quests to see how they changed your colony. What would have been a better use of resources. That Kett base on Eos, that was optional and not even tied to the overall story, or seeing Prodromos grow and expand over the course of the game based off the quests that you were doing? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 17:53:52 GMT
yes andromeda would be a better game if it wasn't open world and and instead was more linear which brings tight storytelling. Also 1 or 2 planets should have Nomad driving and this in the same context as feros had in me1. Personally i find open world sacrificing storytelling in all games. GTA V was open world and didn't sacrifice any story at all. Granted, it wasn't as complicated of a story I guess, but the game still managed to have a great number of fun and meaningful sidequest storylines while the more tedious quests were still available for those that just want busywork. It's possible for sure but I doubt that any publisher would give anyone the time to do it in the way an open-world RPG would have to be done. Both DAI and ME:A kind of struggled in the story department and I think would've definitely been better being linear. But I don't think you go form open-world to linear these days. They're all-in now. I know people are tired of hearing this (at least on this forum) but The Witcher 3 had some amazing side quest. The attention to detail was off the charts. I couldn't stand the combat but they did a fantastic job on the open world, story and side quest. But I have to be honest with myself here and say that it's almost unfair to compare a $81 million dollar budget vs a $40 million. |
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Post by Guts on Aug 24, 2017 17:53:58 GMT
Then you're just debating your opinion vs others. People can love a game so much that they easily look beyond its flaws. That doesn't mean everyone else should. I had quite a few problems in my day 1 play through with one in particular being me losing 10 hours worth of saves due to a companion death corrupting them. I'll put it this way. It's like me buying a $34 medium-rare filet mignon and it coming out well done. Could I enjoy that steak still? Sure, but that doesn't mean I got what I paid for and shouldn't criticize it. Lol. The best part is when the chef comes to your table to tell you that his food is "art" and you should appreciate what he's given you and be grateful, you whiny little bitch. I'd still issue a complaint to the chef in that scenario, it'd be a minor complaint, but I'd still complain nonetheless. If he went to my table telling me that his food was "art", I'd be tempted not to come back there because I'd see him as pretentious and unwilling to take criticism. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 18:00:09 GMT
Lol. The best part is when the chef comes to your table to tell you that his food is "art" and you should appreciate what he's given you and be grateful, you whiny little bitch. I'd still issue a complaint to the chef in that scenario, it'd be a minor complaint, but I'd still complain nonetheless. If he went to my table telling me that his food was "art", I'd be tempted not to come back there because I'd see him as pretentious and unwilling to take criticism.Yes, precisely.  |
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Post by fygee on Aug 24, 2017 18:03:10 GMT
I've mentioned this before, but there's no better palette cleanser for a bad game than far superior sequel, especially if aforementioned bad game is a part of an well established and well loved franchise.
I say this not believing Andromeda to be a bad game by any stretch, especially now that its been patched heavily, but perception is everything.
EA/Bioware would be fools to shelve this franchise. They should be putting full available resources into a sequel to Andromeda to make it as good as humanly possible, without getting too crazy with overly ambitious, experimental features that ultimately greatly hampered Andromeda's development.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 24, 2017 18:05:24 GMT
All I really paid attention to is this quote: "What we need to be careful though of is, whenever we bring Mass Effect back again, we have to make sure that we bring it back in a really [relevant] way, and in a fresh, exciting place," he added..."So it really depends on what they mean by "relevant" and what they're using it in relation to. When they do bring it back they need to make sure it is 100 percent ready to go. Don't give the youtube trolls any ammo whatsoever. Don't wait for patches to clean up technical hiccups and they need to have a clear direction in the development process. No changing horses mid stream. |
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 18:09:46 GMT
No changing horses mid stream. I don't think, this happened by choice. But it's a recipe for disaster. A whole lot of people said, they shouldn't have handed it to the B team. But that B team probably didn't suffer under a lack of talent but a lack of leadership and comprehensive vision. |
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 24, 2017 18:10:46 GMT
Why of course, if you're EA Boss Guy, you're not gonna throw shit at your own stuff. He thinks the game is still great and it received too much criticism (negative criticism, I presume), of course he does. Most reviews around the internet say the game wasn't very good, that shows that either EA didn't pay enough people for reviews this time, or that maybe the reviews are right and the game wasn't actually that good at all.I doubt they're cancelling the franchise altogether, it's like one of the best IPs EA has under its claws, but here's hoping they do way better next time. why not the possibility that many reviews are total b.s? i dont have faith in reviewers anymore. I ve found myself disagreeing with many many reviews the last years. Revewing a game is a process where you must play the game in order to epxerience it not the sake of reviewing it . this is a task. The best most honest reviews come from this perspective imo.Good. Your not supposed to agree with reviews all the time. That doesn't mean you shouldn't ignore them, as most reviewers offer the best perspectives out there for a given game. Especially when it comes to offering the opinion of a game. |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 24, 2017 18:11:01 GMT
It's just the usual cooperate marketing speech that means nothing whatsoever one way or another.
I'm pretty sure they know the game was NOT great even before they released it, the way they kept so hush hush until shortly before release. Troubled development is not something that speaks for confidence in a product. But of course they would never admit it. It's bad for business to admit fault. You'll never hear anybody talk bad about something they worked on publicly. Actors are the same way. Their latest film is always the best working experience they ever had.
It's somewhat reassuring that Mass Effect is supposed to continue. But then again, it's really just a press release to calm down the gloom and doom Bioware is done voices and keep people interested in future products.
You would have thought they had "fresh relevant" ideas for MEA... I'll never forget how they said they waited decades to make the new Indiana Jones movie because they wanted to have a really cool story to tell. And then it was aliens that turned into a major embarrassment. MEA is what "The Kingdom of the Crystal Skull" was to Indiana Jones to me.
That said, if they DO make another Mass Effect game, I doubt it can be any more disappointing than MEA. So, uh, I guess I'll just believe that MEA2 or ME4 or whatever it's going to be will be more "relevant" than space boy scouts. *g*
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