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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 22:25:44 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc.
I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 24, 2017 22:28:22 GMT
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 24, 2017 22:29:42 GMT
Probably notfilled with them, but there are certainly quite a few. Just look at how people reacted because a squadmate dared to question Shepard in the second game.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 24, 2017 22:32:14 GMT
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Post by abaris on Aug 24, 2017 22:32:29 GMT
About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Might that be because Bioware fails to meet the tastes of a solid portion of it's fanbase anymore? Look at the earlier releases. Up until ME2, critics and players were pretty much in accord with their ratings. They varied only by one or two notches. Starting with DA2, scores started to drift wildly apart. They took a new course back in 2011 and while I don't think that DA2, ME3 or DAI have been shitty games, they are certainly very different than previous releases. With MEA they have published the first game that really failed to hook me. Not because it is outright bad, but because it's a bland mess of a game. Quantity, but as opposed to previous games lacking quality in writing and character design. It's basically a shooter where fighting takes precedence over story telling. The fighting part is pretty well done, but that's about all there is to say in it's favor.
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Post by 10k on Aug 24, 2017 22:40:58 GMT
Volition sticks to what its good at, that's why fans of their games don't really have any problem with AoM. It's more of that over the top gameplay, and Crude humor that was present in the Saint's row series. BW on the other hand doesn't do that anymore. Their focus used to be on characters and story. Now they focus on Open-worlds and combat. I think that's the issue.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 24, 2017 22:43:22 GMT
So, firstly some sources for your statistics?
Secondly, I've never met a snowflake, IRL or on here.
If you are triggered by people not having the same opinion on everything, this might not be the best place to hang out.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 22:46:15 GMT
So, firstly some sources for your statistics? Secondly, I've never met a snowflake, IRL or on here. If you are triggered by people not having the same opinion on everything, this might not be the best place to hang out. Having a diff opinion is fine such as saying that a game isn't good or average, but constantly hating on a particular dev and their games isn't an "opinion" so please...
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 24, 2017 22:50:58 GMT
So, firstly some sources for your statistics? Secondly, I've never met a snowflake, IRL or on here. If you are triggered by people not having the same opinion on everything, this might not be the best place to hang out. Having a diff opinion is fine such as saying that a game isn't good or average, but constantly hating on a particular dev and their games isn't an "opinion" so please... I can think of a handful of trolls on here that consistently hate on Bioware. We all know who they are. But that might be their honest opinion, not for you or me to say otherwise. Everyone else has perfectly rational discussions. Sometimes heated, but generally respectful. So no, I totally reject your claim that "85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues".
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Post by 10k on Aug 24, 2017 22:52:12 GMT
Having a diff opinion is fine such as saying that a game isn't good or average, but constantly hating on a particular dev and their games isn't an "opinion" so please... What do you mean by "hating on the game"? Do you mean like saying the game is garbage? Because if so, that is an opinion. Opinions don't have to be respectful to be considered an opinion.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 22:55:11 GMT
Having a diff opinion is fine such as saying that a game isn't good or average, but constantly hating on a particular dev and their games isn't an "opinion" so please... What do you mean by "hating on the game"? Do you mean like saying the game is garbage? Because if so, that is an opinion. Hating as for absolutely no reason, such as hating on BioWare and Anthem when it was announced.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 22:56:49 GMT
Volition sticks to what its good at, that's why fans of their games don't really have any problem with AoM. It's more of that over the top gameplay, and Crude humor that was present in the Saint's row series. BW on the other hand doesn't do that anymore. Their focus used to be on characters and story. Now they focus on Open-worlds and combat. I think that's the issue. DA:I was really good on all basis for me so I don't exactly see the problem?
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Post by 10k on Aug 24, 2017 23:00:45 GMT
What do you mean by "hating on the game"? Do you mean like saying the game is garbage? Because if so, that is an opinion. Hating as for absolutely no reason, such as hating on BioWare and Anthem when it was announced. I still don't get what you mean by "Hating". Do you mean people saying that "Anthem is going to fail" or "Andromeda was always going to be a Failure"? Is this what you mean by "Hating" because if so, these examples are still considered opinions. Which people are allowed to have. Opinions don't have to be respectful.
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Post by 10k on Aug 24, 2017 23:01:58 GMT
Volition sticks to what its good at, that's why fans of their games don't really have any problem with AoM. It's more of that over the top gameplay, and Crude humor that was present in the Saint's row series. BW on the other hand doesn't do that anymore. Their focus used to be on characters and story. Now they focus on Open-worlds and combat. I think that's the issue. DA:I was really good on all basis for me so I don't exactly see the problem? Well that's your opinion, others may think otherwise.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 23:05:38 GMT
DA:I was really good on all basis for me so I don't exactly see the problem? Well that's your opinion, others may think otherwise. Yepp, my problem isn't with the opinions but with targeting hate for a particular dev and their games for no reasons. I see why people dislike MEA and that's fine but the amount of hate DA:I was receiving had no justification at all.
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Post by ZaudStorm™ on Aug 24, 2017 23:07:24 GMT
Hating as for absolutely no reason, such as hating on BioWare and Anthem when it was announced. I still don't get what you mean by "Hating". Do you mean people saying that "Anthem is going to fail" or "Andromeda was always going to be a Failure"? Is this what you mean by "Hating" because if so, these examples are still considered opinions. Which people are allowed to have. Opinions don't have to be respectful. Hating just because they're "BioWare", like I said for no reason. I've seen a shit ton of those sort of people.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 24, 2017 23:14:19 GMT
To be fair, you'll find this sort of thing in a lot of fanbases in gaming and not just in BioWare's.
I'd also say it's not really fair to claim that people are being unreasonable for hating on ME:A just because you thought it was decent. I like FPS games but hate Call of Duty and I'm sure somebody out there thinks it's the best FPS ever made. That's just the nature of opinions, sometimes people are going to hate on a thing you didn't find all that bad.
It's made worse by what 10k pointed out: BioWare has shifted their focus from characters and story to open world and comabt, which isn't an inherently bad thing but it's not going to win you any points with the playerbase that liked your games for the characters and story. There's a good chance they'll resent you for the shift in focus, especially if it happens throughout the same franchise(it would be another thing if this shift only happened in Anthem but not Mass Effect or Dragon Age) and at this point there's no denying that BioWare has shifted quite a bit since their early days as a isometric RPG developer.
The whole SJWs vs anti-SJWs is just a bunch of batshit insane people on either side of an internet argument taking things to the extreme because this is the internet so of course we're going to do that. It would be better for everybody if they'd all just shut up, but they're not going to do that.
I'm going to point out that when I use the term SJW I'm not talking about "person who wants better representation for groups that traditionally don't have much". Those people I have no problems with for the most part, especially when we're talking about a game like Mass Effect which was promoted with the idea that you can make your own Human character and customize it to your liking. A game that promotes customization of the main character as a major selling point shouldn't be skimping on basic customization options like race, gender, or sexuality if the game addresses that(otherwise leave it largely up to headcanon).
Then you get the people who claim that The Witcher 3 is sexist because Geralt is a straight guy and that not being 100% inclusive 100% of the time immediately makes you a sexist racist asshole who should burn. On the other side, you've got people who see the inclusion of a LGBT character and immediately go "FUCKING SJWS!!!!11". These are the ones I'm talking about with those terms.
When it comes to DA:I I found it to be only mediocre at best to be honest, and the fact that The Witcher 3 which many regard as the best RPG in a long time came out only a few months later really didn't help it. It was also hurt by having very little worthwhile to do in the open world they created, which I really only tolerated because I've played MMOs for so long, but that's not what I wanted out of my single player story/character driven RPG.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 24, 2017 23:15:00 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... first off you aren't far from the mark. What bothers me is the double standards out there. MEA gets trashed for its bugs and its presentation yet I've experienced far worse bugs in Bioware games and also by their competitors. Secondly people are entitled to their opinions. You don't like something you don't like something. Third of all what drives me crazy is how the fandom treats each other...but then that's hardly unique.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 24, 2017 23:16:10 GMT
I still don't get what you mean by "Hating". Do you mean people saying that "Anthem is going to fail" or "Andromeda was always going to be a Failure"? Is this what you mean by "Hating" because if so, these examples are still considered opinions. Which people are allowed to have. Opinions don't have to be respectful. Hating just because they're "BioWare", like I said for no reason. I've seen a shit ton of those sort of people. Trolls gonna troll, they are everywhere, but normal people are many and they are few. Trolls don't destroy franchises. They're loud and it makes them look legion but they're not. Go look at the SJW poll thread. All that BS was totally rejected by a large margin on here.
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Post by river82 on Aug 24, 2017 23:18:11 GMT
Smallest issues? You just keep on believing that, lol.
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 24, 2017 23:27:39 GMT
I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... Good, you deserve it. Bioware killed the franchise and no one else. Stop trying to shift the blame.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 24, 2017 23:30:30 GMT
I still don't get what you mean by "Hating". Do you mean people saying that "Anthem is going to fail" or "Andromeda was always going to be a Failure"? Is this what you mean by "Hating" because if so, these examples are still considered opinions. Which people are allowed to have. Opinions don't have to be respectful. Hating just because they're "BioWare", like I said for no reason. I've seen a shit ton of those sort of people. Yeah, I've seen this. Late to the Bioware party, my first BW game was Inquisition last year. Rapidly moved on to ME trilogy and loved the two previous DA titles as well. So far, great experience based on 6 games. But back last year I noticed on the old forums this group of people lying in wait for BW to fail epically on Andromeda. I had not until that point understood the shitstorm the ending to 3 caused. I went in blind, so to speak and while I wasn't overjoyed at ME3's ending, I was never on board with all the hate train that started apparently five years ago, and never let up. There is a hate group for Bioware and it is very, very unfair. I honestly wonder if after trying to fix things 5 years ago with EC, and Citadel DLC, they said this time, "Forget it, it wouldn't make any difference." Sadly, they would be right. Even on this forum, there are a handful of people that have made it their joy to talk trash about the games and any of us that like them. Whatever these people are in real life, I feel sorry for their family/friends (if they have any).
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