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Post by river82 on Aug 24, 2017 23:36:59 GMT
Hating just because they're "BioWare", like I said for no reason. I've seen a shit ton of those sort of people. Yeah, I've seen this. Late to the Bioware party, my first BW game was Inquisition last year. Rapidly moved on to ME trilogy and loved the two previous DA titles as well. So far, great experience based on 6 games. But back last year I noticed on the old forums this group of people lying in wait for BW to fail epically on Andromeda. I had not until that point understood the shitstorm the ending to 3 caused. I went in blind, so to speak and while I wasn't overjoyed at ME3's ending, I was never on board with all the hate train that started apparently five years ago, and never let up. There is a hate group for Bioware and it is very, very unfair. I honestly wonder if after trying to fix things 5 years ago with EC, and Citadel DLC, they said this time, "Forget it, it wouldn't make any difference." Sadly, they would be right. Even on this forum, there are a handful of people that have made it their joy to talk trash about the games and any of us that like them. Whatever these people are in real life, I feel sorry for their family/friends (if they have any). I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. The only RPG of theirs I've missed is TOR, which I'm still deciding whether to buy or not considering I'd only play it single player. The reaction to ME3 was over the top, they stuffed the ending but most of the game people enjoyed. To me, if you enjoy most of the game, that's pretty much a success in my eyes. The reaction to DA:2 and ME:A were, and are, 100% warranted. There are deep design flaws with both those games, and with ME:A it goes much further. If Bioware never makes another Mass Effect game, I'll blame their incompetence in the design of ME:A rather than the fans reaction to that incompetence.
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Post by brandoftime on Aug 24, 2017 23:43:47 GMT
It seems that the real trouble with Andromeda was in the No Man's Sky generated world thing. At what point did it sink in that this was not working? Why was leadership so crappy they allowed the thing to flounder for 3 years in this bullshit zone without doing anything about it? That's the true back breaker here, and I'm guessing based on what I've picked up here and trawling through the internet news outlets etc. that they tried to piece together the game we got out of the fragments of what was left after they took out randomly generated worlds.
It is a mess, fun as the game can be. Maybe the real reason there isn't DLC, is that when they planned this, it would be so huge anyway with all the random generated planets, DLC was no longer necessary. But by the time they trimmed it down to 5 or 6 worlds, the lack of DLC is really keenly felt here. The huge house of cards made up of fragments of working alphas is probably why they don't want to introduce any more variables and have yet more broken game on their hands.
It seems there was little to no leadership for the first 3 years, and this is why the game was such a disaster at launch. Whoever was at the helm then is partially at fault. It's all our loss.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 24, 2017 23:52:47 GMT
About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Might that be because Bioware fails to meet the tastes of a solid portion of it's fanbase anymore? Look at the earlier releases. Up until ME2, critics and players were pretty much in accord with their ratings. They varied only by one or two notches. Starting with DA2, scores started to drift wildly apart. They took a new course back in 2011 and while I don't think that DA2, ME3 or DAI have been shitty games, they are certainly very different than previous releases. With MEA they have published the first game that really failed to hook me. Not because it is outright bad, but because it's a bland mess of a game. Quantity, but as opposed to previous games lacking quality in writing and character design. It's basically a shooter where fighting takes precedence over story telling. The fighting part is pretty well done, but that's about all there is to say in it's favor.The divergence was noticeable. I was a big fan of DA2 even though the game was based almost entirely in Kirkwall. I got it for what it was, but it was no Origins. I gave it a 7 because the incredibly narration done by Varric and SO MUCH GOODNESS with the side stories. It derailed at the end, but I was in love with it and gave it a 7. Critics were giving it 9s and I thought... "WTF." Then Diane Allers... WTF. Then Inquisition winning GOTY... WTF. (It deserved it after the DLC arrived, but it was premature. It did EARN it.) I just realized Destiny 2 is going to be in the hands of gamers for a full year. I'll be primed (git gud) for Anthem, but will there be an audience to play it? Online games, except WoW, tend to fizzle out about three months from launch.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 25, 2017 0:00:49 GMT
So, firstly some sources for your statistics? Secondly, I've never met a snowflake, IRL or on here. If you are triggered by people not having the same opinion on everything, this might not be the best place to hang out. I've accused people of being snowflakes here in March when I was super spazzing out about the broken launch. Then self-awareness hit thanks to Faceman and Colfoley. I... WAS... THE... SNOWFLAKE. Then I stopped. Got smarter and listened. Listened. Not make up my mind and ignore people. Listened. I learned... a lot. I enjoyed Andromeda, but I love these forums. So, no... not snowflakes. Avid fans. Junkies like myself that know the good stuff from the weaker stuff. No snowflakes here. A lot of disappointed fans though...
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 25, 2017 0:04:04 GMT
So, firstly some sources for your statistics? Secondly, I've never met a snowflake, IRL or on here. If you are triggered by people not having the same opinion on everything, this might not be the best place to hang out. I've accused people of being snowflakes here in March when I was super spazzing out about the broken launch. Then self-awareness hit thanks to Faceman and Colfoley. I... WAS... THE... SNOWFLAKE. Then I stopped. Got smarter and listened. Listened. Not make up my mind and ignore people. Listened. I learned... a lot. I enjoyed Andromeda, but I love these forums. So, no... not snowflakes. Avid fans. Junkies like myself that know the good stuff from the weaker stuff. No snowflakes here. A lot of disappointed fans though... You say it far more gracefully than me, you're a poet, I'm a bull in a China shop. :-)
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Post by river82 on Aug 25, 2017 0:07:34 GMT
I've accused people of being snowflakes here in March when I was super spazzing out about the broken launch. Then self-awareness hit thanks to Faceman and Colfoley. I... WAS... THE... SNOWFLAKE. Then I stopped. Got smarter and listened. Listened. Not make up my mind and ignore people. Listened. I learned... a lot. I enjoyed Andromeda, but I love these forums. So, no... not snowflakes. Avid fans. Junkies like myself that know the good stuff from the weaker stuff. No snowflakes here. A lot of disappointed fans though... You say it far more gracefully than me, you're a poet, I'm a bull in a China shop. :-)
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 25, 2017 0:20:32 GMT
We have found the triggered snowflake fan, and it is you OP.
You have been triggered by the opinions of other's, to the point where you want to shift blame for an abortion of a game from the people who made it to the people that bought it in good faith.
Sorry, duder, but that is a whopping load of horseshit.
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Post by kino on Aug 25, 2017 0:36:19 GMT
While there's a part of me that agrees with you, Zaud, the other part that realizes that people who did have a problem should voice it. Maybe they'll get what they want, maybe they won't. However, if it's about excluding characters or storylines based on some internal prejudice, well, no. I'm not on board with that.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 25, 2017 1:20:44 GMT
Well that's your opinion, others may think otherwise. Yepp, my problem isn't with the opinions but with targeting hate for a particular dev and their games for no reasons. I see why people dislike MEA and that's fine but the amount of hate DA:I was receiving had no justification at all. Inquisition hate wasn't a big thing until TW3 made it look weak. And here's 11 reasons why people hate EA (it's because they buy studios and destroy them - a la Bioware). www.google.ca/amp/kotaku.com/an-updated-list-of-studios-ea-has-bought-and-then-shut-1689498614/amp
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Post by Guts on Aug 25, 2017 1:35:37 GMT
How many times are we going to have this discussion? I'll make this brief: No but the fucktards who DO mistake incompetence for political agenda tend to stand out quite a lot.
EDIT: I thought we were talking about SJW's for the third time lol. I will say that there are some nasty people within the community to be sure, but a lot of people had a right to be disappointed about ME3's ending and ME:A. I think that the people who send stuff like death threats are the one's that tend to stand out. (Much like the idiots who think incomptence is the same as agenda pushing.)
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Post by Guts on Aug 25, 2017 1:38:07 GMT
This is a literal snowflake thread now.
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Post by warrior on Aug 25, 2017 2:28:30 GMT
It seems that the real trouble with Andromeda was in the No Man's Sky generated world thing. At what point did it sink in that this was not working? Why was leadership so crappy they allowed the thing to flounder for 3 years in this bullshit zone without doing anything about it? That's the true back breaker here, and I'm guessing based on what I've picked up here and trawling through the internet news outlets etc. that they tried to piece together the game we got out of the fragments of what was left after they took out randomly generated worlds. It is a mess, fun as the game can be. Maybe the real reason there isn't DLC, is that when they planned this, it would be so huge anyway with all the random generated planets, DLC was no longer necessary. But by the time they trimmed it down to 5 or 6 worlds, the lack of DLC is really keenly felt here. The huge house of cards made up of fragments of working alphas is probably why they don't want to introduce any more variables and have yet more broken game on their hands. It seems there was little to no leadership for the first 3 years, and this is why the game was such a disaster at launch. Whoever was at the helm then is partially at fault. It's all our loss. Yes to this whole post. The lack of DLC is def keenly felt. The game was very "lean." Many games that didn't need DLC (like TW3) got them, and that feels like a nice little bonus, but with this it feels like a gaping hole in the game. Oh well. I don't care much about Andromeda in the end, but I do care about Mass Effect and BioWare and their longterm survival in a changing market.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Aug 25, 2017 2:59:02 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. Pretty much, yeah. The most triggered people are NOT the so-called "SJWs" it's more likely the IJWs, the Injustice Social Warriors, (and no, I didn't come with that someone else did), they want the world to good only for them (you know cis-genered white straight men) as far as everyone else is concerned they either don't care (best case) or they want them to die (worst case).
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Post by dmc1001 on Aug 25, 2017 3:22:52 GMT
Third of all what drives me crazy is how the fandom treats each other...but then that's hardly unique. Thank you for pointing out the exact reason I have no interest in MP. That bullshit pervades MP (or at least it did in the past when I tried it) and I'm not interested. Hence, when MP becomes a BioWare focus I start losing interest. Which sucks since I played all the old BioWare games like KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 3:30:12 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. Pretty much, yeah. The most triggered people are NOT the so-called "SJWs" it's more likely the IJWs, the Injustice Social Warriors, (and no, I didn't come with that someone else did), they want the world to good only for them (you know cis-genered white straight men) as far as everyone else is concerned they either don't care (best case) or they want them to die (worst case).
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 25, 2017 3:31:33 GMT
Third of all what drives me crazy is how the fandom treats each other...but then that's hardly unique. Thank you for pointing out the exact reason I have no interest in MP. That bullshit pervades MP (or at least it did in the past when I tried it) and I'm not interested. Hence, when MP becomes a BioWare focus I start losing interest. Which sucks since I played all the old BioWare games like KOTOR, Neverwinter Nights and Baldur's Gate. Visit the Andromeda and 3MP subs, I think you'll find quite the opposite.
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Post by ENGINEER_H4RR7 on Aug 25, 2017 4:21:27 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... You are absolutely right, but it is also EA and Bioware that listen to those haters and the once that like their games are the once that get to suffer. Do I like everything about their games, no, but they are mostly fun to play and I enjoy them a lot.
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Post by ProbeAway on Aug 25, 2017 4:32:06 GMT
Like with most things in life, it's a bit of both. On one hand there are plenty of sad people who are happy(?) to just hate on something out of spite or because it's the cool thing to do - see: YouTube, metacritic. Bioware definitely attracts more than its fair share of these fans-but-not-really-fans. Fortunately there are relatively few of them on this forum. Most of the people here who dislike MEA are genuine fans of past BW games who are disappointed with the quality and/or direction of the game.
OTOH, BW shot themselves in the foot by moving away from the core of their most loved games: engaging characters and stories. I don't hate these aspects of Andromeda the way some do, but they definitely lacked the depth of past releases and it's clear that they took a backseat to combat and open world design during development. I suspect that this change, having gradually crept into BW games over the last 7 years or so before coming to a head with MEA, has everything to do with becoming part of the EAmpire.
I have no doubt that BW's fan base would have been far more forgiving of glitches and poor animations if they could see that real passion had gone into the creation of MEA's world and stories.
Also, proc gen planets... WTF were they thinking?!?
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Post by Guts on Aug 25, 2017 4:33:36 GMT
In all seriousness though, I hate using the word "Snowflake" as an insult.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Aug 25, 2017 4:59:15 GMT
The fanbase is clearly not a bunch of SJW snowflakes. The current devs on the other hand...not so sure. I've no doubt the issues Bioware tackled in their early years would be avoided now.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Aug 25, 2017 5:34:14 GMT
Pfft calling someone a snowflake has become to main stream and popular. Next time I insult someone I am going to be a rebel on not call them a snowflake. I am going to live on the edge.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2017 5:40:09 GMT
Pfft calling someone a snowflake has become to main stream and popular. Next time I insult someone I am going to be a rebel on not call them a snowflake. I am going to live on the edge.
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