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Post by Sanunes on Oct 14, 2017 8:20:32 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 14, 2017 12:34:31 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game? Sounds familiar.
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Post by abaris on Oct 14, 2017 13:53:05 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game? He was the punching bag for DA2. Might be some of that carried over to DAI. Fact is, with him leaving, all the prominent and experienced staff has left the DA ship. There's still no official announcement of DA4. I hold my horses till that is happening.
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 14, 2017 21:43:28 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game? He was the punching bag for DA2. Might be some of that carried over to DAI. Fact is, with him leaving, all the prominent and experienced staff has left the DA ship. There's still no official announcement of DA4. I hold my horses till that is happening. I would say there are still experienced staff at BioWare, for the people that were probably the most inexperienced now work at Motive Studios since BioWare Montreal would most likely had the newest hires. As far as people being prominent I think the question would be why aren't people publicly making themselves associated with BioWare for I bet there are plenty of people that have worked at BioWare for ten or more years still. Besides people make a big deal out of anyone that leaves the studio not just the prominent folks, I remember a year or so ago the one lady that left BioWare I didn't even know she was part of the studio and people made a huge deal out of her leaving as well. They are working on something, otherwise there would have been people fired and even if it isn't a new Dragon Age game something besides Anthem is being worked on at BioWare Edmonton otherwise another "sky is falling" outbreak would have happened on the internet.
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Post by abaris on Oct 14, 2017 22:46:00 GMT
They are working on something, otherwise there would have been people fired and even if it isn't a new Dragon Age game something besides Anthem is being worked on at BioWare Edmonton otherwise another "sky is falling" outbreak would have happened on the internet. Why? Based on what?
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Post by Sanunes on Oct 15, 2017 0:09:21 GMT
They are working on something, otherwise there would have been people fired and even if it isn't a new Dragon Age game something besides Anthem is being worked on at BioWare Edmonton otherwise another "sky is falling" outbreak would have happened on the internet. Why? Based on what? Based on the reactions people have had to one person leaving over recent years, could you imagine what it would be like if they shut down half of BioWare Edmonton.
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Post by abaris on Oct 15, 2017 8:36:29 GMT
Based on the reactions people have had to one person leaving over recent years, could you imagine what it would be like if they shut down half of BioWare Edmonton. Yeah, but there's no indication of that happening. They're producing Anthem. If they have other plans as well remains anyone's guess.
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Post by river82 on Oct 15, 2017 9:34:40 GMT
If you honestly think about this is largely similar to the Prequels vs Original Trilogy debate from Star Wars, I think if the internet was how it is now back then the Prequel trilogy would have been stopped at the first entry just like ME:A. The Phantom Menace still made over a billion dollars at the box office, which wasn't bad for 1999. Plus merchandise. Plus disc sales and a host of other stuff. It's very unlikely the prequel trilogy would have been scrapped.
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Post by mannyray on Oct 16, 2017 8:33:01 GMT
If you honestly think about this is largely similar to the Prequels vs Original Trilogy debate from Star Wars, I think if the internet was how it is now back then the Prequel trilogy would have been stopped at the first entry just like ME:A. The Phantom Menace still made over a billion dollars at the box office, which wasn't bad for 1999. Plus merchandise. Plus disc sales and a host of other stuff. It's very unlikely the prequel trilogy would have been scrapped. I agree. If that was the case, the dogshit Batman v. Superman movie would have never gotten off the ground. Instead it was a somewhat underwhelming success. The social cripples and their memes and whiteknuckled troll fits only seem to have some limited true power in video game world.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Oct 16, 2017 11:46:00 GMT
The Phantom Menace still made over a billion dollars at the box office, which wasn't bad for 1999. Plus merchandise. Plus disc sales and a host of other stuff. It's very unlikely the prequel trilogy would have been scrapped. I agree. If that was the case, the dogshit Batman v. Superman movie would have never gotten off the ground. Instead it was a somewhat underwhelming success. The social cripples and their memes and whiteknuckled troll fits only seem to have some limited true power in video game world. They don't have any at all, I suspect. Developers pay attention to coherent criticism with workable suggestions, not unintelligible screeching. Companies pay attention to profit margins, not reviews. ME was shelved because the developers wasted the time and money they were given on features that never got off the ground. Multiplayer updates were most likely already planned and budgeted for, and that is why they continue for now.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2017 15:43:40 GMT
I agree. If that was the case, the dogshit Batman v. Superman movie would have never gotten off the ground. Instead it was a somewhat underwhelming success. The social cripples and their memes and whiteknuckled troll fits only seem to have some limited true power in video game world. They don't have any at all, I suspect. Developers pay attention to coherent criticism with workable suggestions, not unintelligible screeching. Companies pay attention to profit margins, not reviews. ME was shelved because the developers wasted the time and money they were given on features that never got off the ground. Multiplayer updates were most likely already planned and budgeted for, and that is why they continue for now. This is probably a fairly accurate assessment. I also think this commitment by EA to the Quebec government also applied some pressure into the mix: montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/electronic-arts-to-create-500-jobs-in-montreal-after-getting-tax-creditsThe date of the merger of Bioware Montreal into EA Motive may have been something that was being planned when that tax credit application was made and it may have meant that the employees were on a hard deadline to wrap up ME:A all along. When they finally woke up to the fact that the procedural generation idea wasn't going to work, they managed to eke out an additional 3-months... but were still unable to get the game really up to snuff in that time... but no further extensions were going to happen. Then, with the amount of post-release fixing that needed to get done, ideas of putting out a DLC were scrapped first... and then they put in as much support as they could in the form of patches right up until the deadline for the merger hit... announcing the end of support for the game just prior to that deadline. Simply put... time ran out for them.
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Post by cloud9 on Nov 4, 2017 8:24:03 GMT
You're sounding awfully... triggered. So? I've only finished that game twice, but Abrams still hasn't told me she's trans. It was patched due to outrage it created. Without it it would still be there. Jacob, as boring as he was was a character. He wasn't a black character, a black man, black this and that, he was a character. 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
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Post by azarhal on Nov 4, 2017 12:16:00 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game? He was the punching bag for DA2. Might be some of that carried over to DAI. Fact is, with him leaving, all the prominent and experienced staff has left the DA ship. There's still no official announcement of DA4. I hold my horses till that is happening. huh? Mark Darrah is still there, worked on the DA franchise far longer than Mike and he was always the top boss on the DA team. The DAI writers are all mostly still at BioWare (Gaider and the ones who were in Montréal are gone). The lead cinematic designer has been there since Witch Hunt. The lead concept artist haven't left either. People really need to realize that over 100+ developers (200-300 at peaks) works on a AAA game not just 3 of them. There is no announcement for DA4 because the game isn't going to release in the next year, 2020 is basically the earliest we are going to see it. They started to work on it this year, not in 2015 after the last DLC released.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 7, 2017 14:07:21 GMT
No OP. This problem isn't unique to BioWare. Gamer culture has become a cesspool of memelords and crybabies.
BioWare is a favorite target because it often deals with "beta-male" attributes like emotions, and features women and LGBT prominently. Blame the political climate for validating their snowflake status.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:46:37 GMT
Considering just how bi-polar the BioWare fanbase can be as well as how much the fandom's political compass seems to skew to the authoritarian left, I'd say the "triggered snowflakes" is not only an apt description, but a justified one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 18:47:48 GMT
No OP. This problem isn't unique to BioWare. Gamer culture has become a cesspool of memelords and crybabies. BioWare is a favorite target because it often deals with "beta-male" attributes like emotions, and features women and LGBT prominently. Blame the political climate for validating their snowflake status. ^Prime example of why the BW fanbase gets the "triggered snowflake" rep. This reads like a cringey Tumblr blog.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2017 19:07:13 GMT
No OP. This problem isn't unique to BioWare. Gamer culture has become a cesspool of memelords and crybabies. BioWare is a favorite target because it often deals with "beta-male" attributes like emotions, and features women and LGBT prominently. Blame the political climate for validating their snowflake status. I know your pissed off and butt hurt to some degree but you REALLY need to step back and educate yourself. Games featuring women and LGBT have been around for a LOOOOONNNG time. Your comment makes zero sense when considering how well a lot of these other games have done. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_games_with_LGBT_charactersen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Video_games_featuring_female_protagonists
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 8, 2017 1:31:25 GMT
Are you for real? lol Give me an RPG where you could play as a woman or a gay character (let alone interact with one who isn't a caricature) and I'll concede.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 8, 2017 2:35:12 GMT
Are you for real? lol Give me an RPG where you could play as a woman or a gay character (let alone interact with one who isn't a caricature) and I'll concede. In Fable you can marry a man when playing as a male. This was in 2004 before Bioware started LGBT romances. In these games, you could romance a LGBT character: Ultima VII in the 90s Persona 2 in 1999 There are also many other games that features gay characters in subtle and not so subtle ways. So LGBT characters or romances didnt start with Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 2:58:13 GMT
Are you for real? lol Give me an RPG where you could play as a woman or a gay character (let alone interact with one who isn't a caricature) and I'll concede. Fire Emblem Fates, Fallout 4, Life is Strange: Before the Storm and even Tracer from Overwatch (Not really a rpg). All of these games could have both Female leads and be gay...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2017 3:02:48 GMT
Are you for real? lol Give me an RPG where you could play as a woman or a gay character (let alone interact with one who isn't a caricature) and I'll concede. In Fable you can marry a man when playing as a male. This was in 2004 before Bioware started LGBT romances. Actually, that is incorrect. Bioware had a lesbian romance in 2003 with Juhani in KOTOR. I agree with most of your post, just felt like that should be pointed out since that was a big deal(not just for Bioware, but also because she was the first lesbian character in Star Wars).
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 8, 2017 3:10:11 GMT
Honestly, I think Bioware is going to lose its pedestal as uber-progressive and LGBT-friendly. The new South Park game of all things let's you play a trans character and has a gay relationship that didn't make me cringe, like Suvi's or Gil's did.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 8, 2017 3:24:01 GMT
Honestly, I think Bioware is going to lose its pedestal as uber-progressive and LGBT-friendly. The new South Park game of all things let's you play a trans character and has a gay relationship that didn't make me cringe, like Suvi's or Gil's did. And yet you dont see "anti-sjw" people tearing that game apart. And if im not mistaken, Elle in Last if Us is lesbian and there isnt some "anti-sjw" group out to take down Last of Us 2. But yeah, many other devs are taking onto my diversity in their games. So this was never nor is something exclusive to Bioware.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 3:28:12 GMT
Honestly, I think Bioware is going to lose its pedestal as uber-progressive and LGBT-friendly. The new South Park game of all things let's you play a trans character and has a gay relationship that didn't make me cringe, like Suvi's or Gil's did. And yet you dont see "anti-sjw" people tearing that game apart. And if im not mistaken, Elle in Last if Us is lesbian and there isnt some "anti-sjw" group out to take down Last of Us 2. But yeah, many other devs are taking onto my diversity in their games. So this was never nor is something exclusive to Bioware. There's even talk of Lara Croft being a lesbian in "Rise of the Tomb Raider". I really wouldn't care either way (I'm not against it for sure) and it's a series that I love. Can't wait for a 3rd game.
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