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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Nov 8, 2017 3:35:47 GMT
Honestly, I think Bioware is going to lose its pedestal as uber-progressive and LGBT-friendly. The new South Park game of all things let's you play a trans character and has a gay relationship that didn't make me cringe, like Suvi's or Gil's did. And yet you dont see "anti-sjw" people tearing that game apart. And if im not mistaken, Elle in Last if Us is lesbian and there isnt some "anti-sjw" group out to take down Last of Us 2. But yeah, many other devs are taking onto my diversity in their games. So this was never nor is something exclusive to Bioware.Oh Oh trust me there were people who got triggered when Elle was revealed to be a lesbian. They still played the game and will definately buy the sequel but they sure complained about "SJWs" ruining their game. South Park not getting ripped for it probably has to do with South Park just having a reputation for mocking everyone and everything. Anyways, yes, more developers are trying to diverse their game's casts and are actually managing to do it without pulling a Hainly Abrams and getting both sides of the Internet to scream at a piss-poor attempt at inclusion. Bioware can't just rest on its laurels and get praise for doing the bare minimum anymore.
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Post by goishen on Nov 8, 2017 4:04:24 GMT
Bioware can't just rest on its laurels and get praise for doing the bare minimum anymore. That's where I think that you're wrong. Look, when I first started ME, I was coming off'a long journey of MMO games. Why? Well, a couple'a reasons. Everybody spoke in those games in a deep, gravelly voice. It was supposed to indicate a type of toughness, machismo. It got old, quick. At least to me. The other reason was that all the stories seemed to be the same. Rescue the princess. Gee, what a novel fucking concept. I think I'll go out and buy that new Mario game that just came out, and lemme guess what I'll be doing? You can kind'a see how that got old. So I decided, ya know what? I'm just gonna sit here, play my WoW (along with a bunch'a other MMO's that I won't mention). Let the world burn down around me. Then I played ME2. It had women (and yes, asari are women) as feared, knowledgeable, capable beings. It had women as the first beings to discover the citadel, for crying out loud. It dealt with racism, it made me think. So, yeh, I'm thinking that BioWare can rest on those laurels all damn day long. You don't need to have one of the .1% (Hainly Abrams) of the community represented. I've always thought of tellTale riding on BioWare's coat tails. And what they're doing isn't even really all that great, though they really do tell some kick ass stories. But they don't need to represent the TQ (of LGBTQ) to do it.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 8, 2017 12:22:00 GMT
Fire Emblem Fates, Fallout 4, Life is Strange: Before the Storm and even Tracer from Overwatch (Not really a rpg). All of these games could have both Female leads and be gay... My fault for not wording correctly. There have of course been games led by female roles. Tomb Raider's Lara Croft is a good example. LGBT leading roles are a VERY new phenomenon. Pretty sure Tracer from Overwatch made a lot of people salty, but ultimately it has zero influence on their in-game experience, so again, they didn't care. The idea here is that BioWare games ACTIVELY deal with these issues and make them the central focus of their side (or main) plotlines. It's not on the wayside. So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. You have Anders and Zevran, who go out of their way to flirt with the PC. You have Isabella the randy pirate. You have Dorian with his conversion therapy storyline. There's the transgender Krem. Dragon Age and Mass Effect have A LOT of women in powerful roles, and DAO/DAI in particular explored the impact of being a woman. Do people not remember the backlash about Anders' flirtation? Pretty sure it started all this shit. Not to mention all the complaints about how much women ruled the world in DA2. That was funny. That distinction should be clear. There's a reason BioWare is called the SJW company. It's always in people's "faces".
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 8, 2017 13:27:48 GMT
Fire Emblem Fates, Fallout 4, Life is Strange: Before the Storm and even Tracer from Overwatch (Not really a rpg). All of these games could have both Female leads and be gay... My fault for not wording correctly. There have of course been games led by female roles. Tomb Raider's Lara Croft is a good example. LGBT leading roles are a VERY new phenomenon. Pretty sure Tracer from Overwatch made a lot of people salty, but ultimately it has zero influence on their in-game experience, so again, they didn't care. The idea here is that BioWare games ACTIVELY deal with these issues and make them the central focus of their side (or main) plotlines. It's not on the wayside. So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. You have Anders and Zevran, who go out of their way to flirt with the PC. You have Isabella the randy pirate. You have Dorian with his conversion therapy storyline. There's the transgender Krem. Dragon Age and Mass Effect have A LOT of women in powerful roles, and DAO/DAI in particular explored the impact of being a woman. Do people not remember the backlash about Anders' flirtation? Pretty sure it started all this shit. Not to mention all the complaints about how much women ruled the world in DA2. That was funny. That distinction should be clear. There's a reason BioWare is called the SJW company. It's always in people's "faces". Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view.
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Post by Pounce de León on Nov 8, 2017 13:41:34 GMT
My fault for not wording correctly. There have of course been games led by female roles. Tomb Raider's Lara Croft is a good example. LGBT leading roles are a VERY new phenomenon. Pretty sure Tracer from Overwatch made a lot of people salty, but ultimately it has zero influence on their in-game experience, so again, they didn't care. The idea here is that BioWare games ACTIVELY deal with these issues and make them the central focus of their side (or main) plotlines. It's not on the wayside. So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. You have Anders and Zevran, who go out of their way to flirt with the PC. You have Isabella the randy pirate. You have Dorian with his conversion therapy storyline. There's the transgender Krem. Dragon Age and Mass Effect have A LOT of women in powerful roles, and DAO/DAI in particular explored the impact of being a woman. Do people not remember the backlash about Anders' flirtation? Pretty sure it started all this shit. Not to mention all the complaints about how much women ruled the world in DA2. That was funny. That distinction should be clear. There's a reason BioWare is called the SJW company. It's always in people's "faces". Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view. Both groups are just haters for the hate's sake. Pointless to discuss with either side.
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Post by Heimdall on Nov 8, 2017 14:26:21 GMT
Weren't people blaming him for the problems with Inquisition and said his ideas ruined the game? He was the punching bag for DA2. Might be some of that carried over to DAI. Fact is, with him leaving, all the prominent and experienced staff has left the DA ship. There's still no official announcement of DA4. I hold my horses till that is happening. Except for Weekes and series producer Mark Darrah among others? What an odd thing to say...
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 8, 2017 15:50:54 GMT
My fault for not wording correctly. There have of course been games led by female roles. Tomb Raider's Lara Croft is a good example. LGBT leading roles are a VERY new phenomenon. Pretty sure Tracer from Overwatch made a lot of people salty, but ultimately it has zero influence on their in-game experience, so again, they didn't care. The idea here is that BioWare games ACTIVELY deal with these issues and make them the central focus of their side (or main) plotlines. It's not on the wayside. So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. You have Anders and Zevran, who go out of their way to flirt with the PC. You have Isabella the randy pirate. You have Dorian with his conversion therapy storyline. There's the transgender Krem. Dragon Age and Mass Effect have A LOT of women in powerful roles, and DAO/DAI in particular explored the impact of being a woman. Do people not remember the backlash about Anders' flirtation? Pretty sure it started all this shit. Not to mention all the complaints about how much women ruled the world in DA2. That was funny. That distinction should be clear. There's a reason BioWare is called the SJW company. It's always in people's "faces". Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view. And that gif, that gif man. You can get a good idea of the poster's intellect with that. So much cringe. My bad, am triggered.
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 8, 2017 16:13:22 GMT
Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view. Didn't you do the same damn thing in the Dragon Age forums about a month or two ago? When you challenged anyone to find a side quest in DA:I that had emotional impact and was framed like those the in Witcher 3, thinking nobody would come up with something. And then when people pointed out that companions quest are exactly what you were talking about as they are side content and the dialogues are framed like the main quests are (not over the shoulder), you moved the goal post saying they didn't count for... well reasons. Mostly, because companion quests didn't fit your narrative that DA:I doesn't have any good side content. Don't be a hypocrite, Jazz.
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Post by goishen on Nov 8, 2017 16:14:54 GMT
Look, my thing is that you can make a net to catch 95% of fish reliably or make a net that will catch 100% of the fish 1% of the time. I'll take that 95% all the damn days of the week, and twice on Sunday.
I'm just not understanding why BioWare isn't doing it.
You know, I understand about wanting to inclusive, but at what cost? Inclusivity at the cost of excluding, and in some cases making them actively hostile, 95% of your player base? That's a sure fire way to go straight down the shitter.
EDIT : Also, inclusivity happens at a pace. BioWare has made great strides in just their depiction of women, so much as to say that I don't think that many games would be made today that have a leading protagonist that are women as there are. Rest on those laurels, take on something easier. Don't be progressive for progression's sake. It has to come naturally, or it won't come at all.
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Post by Superhik on Nov 8, 2017 17:08:24 GMT
First Bioware lesbian:
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 8, 2017 17:19:05 GMT
Honestly, I think Bioware is going to lose its pedestal as uber-progressive and LGBT-friendly. The new South Park game of all things let's you play a trans character and has a gay relationship that didn't make me cringe, like Suvi's or Gil's did. I'm not sure "cringe" is a useful metric for this topic. The cringe had more to do with the general Girls-like vibe they were going for in places, rather than the LGBT-ness of the particular content.
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Post by abaris on Nov 8, 2017 18:56:02 GMT
Oh trust me there were people who got triggered when Elle was revealed to be a lesbian. They still played the game and will definately buy the sequel but they sure complained about "SJWs" ruining their game. South Park not getting ripped for it probably has to do with South Park just having a reputation for mocking everyone and everything. I guess it has more to do with you reap what you sow. They explicitly - especially EA - promoted to be catering to a broader audience and the casuals. And they got what they asked for. Casuals who feel insulted if not everything is red blooded white male material. Other companies mostly stick to their guns as far as target audiences are concerned and hence get less of that outrage.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 8, 2017 19:26:05 GMT
My fault for not wording correctly. There have of course been games led by female roles. Tomb Raider's Lara Croft is a good example. LGBT leading roles are a VERY new phenomenon. Pretty sure Tracer from Overwatch made a lot of people salty, but ultimately it has zero influence on their in-game experience, so again, they didn't care. The idea here is that BioWare games ACTIVELY deal with these issues and make them the central focus of their side (or main) plotlines. It's not on the wayside. So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. You have Anders and Zevran, who go out of their way to flirt with the PC. You have Isabella the randy pirate. You have Dorian with his conversion therapy storyline. There's the transgender Krem. Dragon Age and Mass Effect have A LOT of women in powerful roles, and DAO/DAI in particular explored the impact of being a woman. Do people not remember the backlash about Anders' flirtation? Pretty sure it started all this shit. Not to mention all the complaints about how much women ruled the world in DA2. That was funny. That distinction should be clear. There's a reason BioWare is called the SJW company. It's always in people's "faces". Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view. What even... I admitted to have asked the incorrect question and rephrased what SHOULD have been the question, after answering my own question... That's not moving the goalpost. That's continuing the discussion. Care to actually answer? Of course you won't be able to, because I know what the answer already is.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 8, 2017 19:28:47 GMT
EDIT : Also, inclusivity happens at a pace. BioWare has made great strides in just their depiction of women, so much as to say that I don't think that many games would be made today that have a leading protagonist that are women as there are. Rest on those laurels, take on something easier. Don't be progressive for progression's sake. It has to come naturally, or it won't come at all. Progress doesn't happen until you make it happen. Women and LGBT rights weren't won by waiting. Neither will representation in media. BioWare is a pioneer in this, and people took it upon themselves to "teach them a lesson".
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 8, 2017 20:02:45 GMT
Ok so now you are just moving the goal post. You knew what you meant when you asked the original question. Then people presented you with evidence that LGBT characters/romances didnt begin with Bioware. So instead of just conceding and moving on, you move the goal post and add extra qualifiers on your question to ensure that your point about Bioware being the vanguard for LGBT gamers remaims valid. You asked a question, we all answered which debunked your question/claim, and thus that ends that. No need to answer your "real" question that is nothing more than you unwilling to accept something. You know, sometimes I do not know which is worse, the SJW crowd or the anti-SJW crowd. Both seem intolerant and closed minded to their own view. What even... I admitted to have asked the incorrect question and rephrased what SHOULD have been the question, after answering my own question... That's not moving the goalpost. That's continuing the discussion. Care to actually answer? Of course you won't be able to, because I know what the answer already is. I already answered your question and you decided to move the post cause your claim was shut down by myself and others. All you are doing now is fighting for the idea that Bioware and only Bioware is the vanguard behind the diversity push in videogames and it is because of that....Bioware was bullied over MEA. Again, I cant tell the difference between the SJWs and anti-SJWs.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 8, 2017 20:12:42 GMT
Again, I cant tell the difference between the SJWs and anti-SJWs. You've said that a lot. Maybe after you learn how to hold a discussion you'll be able to answer it.
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Post by abaris on Nov 8, 2017 20:33:14 GMT
As I said, it's as much about audiences as it is about teaching them a lesson. I remember clearly how John Riccitiello went on a rather lengthy online rant over catching the COD audience. More than five years ago. After that, they suddenly pushed back the release date for ME3, and whoops it came out with an MP shooter tacked on. They tried their best to catch the shooter crowd. More specifically, if Riccitiello had any say in the matter, the competitive online shooter crowd. One shouldn't apply the broad brush, but it's save to say, anit SJWs are more prominent among that audience. It's how the grew up with their games after all. It was always white muscle man as the protagonist and hardly any story to speak of. Suffice to say, the first time anti SJW sentiments turned up in strength was with ME3. Is it a coincidence that this was also the first game featuring an MP shooter? Possible, but I don't think so.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2017 20:35:48 GMT
As I said, it's as much about audiences as it is about teaching them a lesson. I remember clearly how John Riccitiello went on a rather lengthy online rant over catching the COD audience. More than five years ago. After that, they suddenly pushed back the release date for ME3, and whoops it came out with an MP shooter tacked on. They tried their best to catch the shooter crowd. More specifically, if Riccitiello had any say in the matter, the competitive online shooter crowd. One shouldn't apply the broad brush, but it's save to say, anit SJWs are more prominent among that audience. It's how the grew up with their games after all. It was always white muscle man as the protagonist and hardly any story to speak of. Suffice to say, the first time anti SJW sentiments turned up in strength was with ME3. Is it a coincidence that this was also the first game featuring an MP shooter? Possible, but I don't think so. Eh, I'd say they showed up sooner than that. I think with DAO, but definitely DA2 with Anders and that game had no MP and came out a year before ME3. That said, what you are talking about definitely seems to have increased it.
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Post by abaris on Nov 8, 2017 20:41:55 GMT
Eh, I'd say they showed up sooner than that. I think with DAO, but definitely DA2 with Anders and that game had no MP and came out a year before ME3. I don't remember it with DAO. DA2, yes Anders. But that was also the first game where that terrible word streamlining came up and Button Awsome became a meme. But it still wasn't comparable to what happened with ME3 and carried over into DAI, where some joker even made a point of comparing Cassandras skeleton to male models to make an anti SJW point of women being ugly for the sake of uglyness.
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Post by majesticjazz on Nov 8, 2017 20:52:22 GMT
Eh, I'd say they showed up sooner than that. I think with DAO, but definitely DA2 with Anders and that game had no MP and came out a year before ME3. I don't remember it with DAO. DA2, yes Anders. But that was also the first game where that terrible word streamlining came up and Button Awsome became a meme. But it still wasn't comparable to what happened with ME3 and carried over into DAI, where some joker even made a point of comparing Cassandras skeleton to male models to make an anti SJW point of women being ugly for the sake of uglyness. My question is, say MEA was attacked by this "anti SJW" crowd, what does this say for future Bioware titles? If MEA was so easy to take down, whos to say DA4 (or Anthem) will be immune to these "attacks". Life is Strange and Last of Us had "SJW themes" in them and were attacked, but they both still got high review scores and numerous GOTY awards. So whats MEA's excuse?
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Post by river82 on Nov 8, 2017 21:02:47 GMT
So my question should have been: Give me one other RPG that allows you to play a woman or LGBT character, and interact with other female or LGBT characters, about issues that are possibly relevant to being one whether it is sexual or personal. That's not a bad idea, but it won't happen imo. Ever since the game industry went to voiced characters word count started going down. Mass Effect had 450,000 words of dialogue, Dragon Age Inquisition had roughly the same, whereas Origins had 750,000 words of dialogue and Baldur's Gate 2 word count was over a million. With the reduced word count size there isn't really room to delve deeply into things that aren't a priority and so (and other people might disagree) relationships from Bioware always feel superficial to me. It's feasible to do it over the course of a series, but Dragon Age chopss it's characters from one iteration to the next, and even Mass Effect would spread your squad to the wings at the end of every game. A cRPG is at heart a combat sim, and Bioware does epic combat stories. When they tried to go away from that in DA:2 to emphasise a more personal story (where you could possibly delve into these types of relationships) there was an epic (heh) backlash, because that's not what fans expect from them. Telltale could tell these relationships because relationships are at the core of some of their games, same with the Last of Us, same with Life is Strange, these games aren't RPGs, but with epic combat stories/sims (aka Bioware RPGs) relationships will always be lower down on the list of priorities and therefore will probably continue to be superficial.
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Post by abaris on Nov 8, 2017 21:07:50 GMT
My question is, say MEA was attacked by this "anti SJW" crowd, what does this say for future Bioware titles? If MEA was so easy to take down, whos to say DA4 (or Anthem) will be immune to these "attacks". The MEA ship was never seaworthy to begin with. Not the SJW shitposters sank it but it's own weight and baggage. Lackluster story, lackluster companions, less than convincing open world concept. Where even the devs went to great lengths, not to call it open world. As far as DA4 is concerned, I believe it when I see an oficial announcement. Anthem is a different puppy entirely. One that will hold it's own set of challenges, since they were rather outspoken about supporting it for a decade.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 9, 2017 0:14:30 GMT
My question is, say MEA was attacked by this "anti SJW" crowd, what does this say for future Bioware titles? If MEA was so easy to take down, whos to say DA4 (or Anthem) will be immune to these "attacks". Life is Strange and Last of Us had "SJW themes" in them and were attacked, but they both still got high review scores and numerous GOTY awards. So whats MEA's excuse? Expectations? Expectations are what tore MEA down. It could have been expectations of amazing quality in almost every single facet of the game (as if that is actually possible in a game of that breadth). I mean MEA is a shooter, so it has to appease that fanbase. It's also an RPG so that it has to appease that part too. Then there's people that expect companion interactions etc.. It could also have been "negative" expectations to be a SJW-fest where people felt they were having topics shoved down their throat no matter what.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Nov 9, 2017 0:16:18 GMT
My question is, say MEA was attacked by this "anti SJW" crowd, what does this say for future Bioware titles? If MEA was so easy to take down, whos to say DA4 (or Anthem) will be immune to these "attacks". The MEA ship was never seaworthy to begin with. Not the SJW shitposters sank it but it's own weight and baggage. Lackluster story, lackluster companions, less than convincing open world concept. Where even the devs went to great lengths, not to call it open world. As far as DA4 is concerned, I believe it when I see an oficial announcement. Anthem is a different puppy entirely. One that will hold it's own set of challenges, since they were rather outspoken about supporting it for a decade. Anthem is looking to be MUCH more combat oriented than Mass Effect (with less RPG), so I think it will be much easier to "perfect".
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Post by abaris on Nov 9, 2017 17:19:46 GMT
Anthem is looking to be MUCH more combat oriented than Mass Effect (with less RPG), so I think it will be much easier to "perfect". And yet you have to find an audience to support it. Not a short term audience but one that's willing to stay and invest in their microtransactions for years to come. That market is very competitive with legions of games offering a similar setting. A simple horde mode as with the ME series won't do.
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