Is the BioWare/Mass Effect fanbase really filled with triggered snowflakes?

I was about to bring up Fallout 4. You can have same gender relationships with any of your toon's companions at any time. If memory serves you could in Fallout 2 with some npc's. In the Baldur's Gate games there was no same-gender relationship options, but you could play  a female protagonist like in nearly any other rpg that's come out over the last 20 years that gave the player customizable characters.

Also, in SWTOR you can have same gender romance with any companions you pick up after your class story crew. If someone wants an alternative sexual lifestyle to be central to a character then yeah maybe you'll be disappointed, but in most action rpg games, the plotline whether intricate or simple makes big morality plays about gender relations or sexual preferences laughably contrived.

Diversity is more or less the norm in todays market. Play a woman or a man, play as black, white or any shade in between. But FO4 is asexual rather than diverse when it comes to romances. It's number crunching at it's purest and if you feel so inclined, you can get yourself a mixed gender harem without any jealousy involved.

No, consumers, who have bought a product, expecting it would satisfy them. Here's the problem with the Jack of all Trades approach that Bioware (or EA, who knows?) takes, as opposed to the majority of other developers. You run the risk of failing to satisfy your whole audience instead of alienating only one group. That's why there's less criticism on Obsidian's, Bethesda's or Larian's boards. They mostly stick to their guns and don't go all out in trying to rake in every last casual available. People know what to expect from these studios and their expectations are met for the largest part.

You would be surprised.

SJWs and anti-SJWs really do prove horseshoe theory.

Considering some of their experiences? Of course.

I know a gay man who was nearly killed by family for not marrying a woman and I can see how experiencing a game where 'you can be gay but lol no not that way, the way you think is good - you still need your wife and kid and super duper happy with them regardless of your orientation and that's the role you were supposed to be before the disaster' can be triggering. You can't?


So no. Its more charitable to Bethesda to assume you can't be gay, but bi or straight.

You have to keep in mind that pre war Fallout is based on 1950's America. There were lots of fully homosexual people back then that were "happily" married, with children. 

There are actually critiques that don't resort to that.

While yes a lot of stuff is taken from the 50s, the Fallout universe is more progressive than our own. To give an example in Fallout 4 your pre-War next door neighbors were an interracial lesbian couple.

Yes.

FO4 is an excellent example of a developer alienating their core fan base. It's ALSO a financial success as far as I know. So sadly the diehard fans don't really matter all that much it seems.

I believe many people agree that FO4 is a good game but not a good Fallout game.

Anthem MIGHT be received that way, a good game but not a good Bioware game because it's not an RPG.
And it might actually be financially very successful.

I wonder what people would hate more: A game that alienates them but is still very successful and enjoyed by a new playerbase... Or a game that actually flops because it's just shit proving Bioware sucks now?

There is so much resentment for Bethesda out there for what they did with FO4. And Creation Club didn't help restore confidence.
It's not unlike some of the vitriol here.

Both FO4 and MEA seem to have alienated many fans of these two franchises.

Ironically both games have a very set protagonist in common who's frustrating or near impossible to role play outside the very narrow framework provided. And the fans of both developers expected more in that respect. Both games have good shooter mechanics but are lacking in the departments they used to excel in.

It's quite baffling why Bethesda would go for such a set heterosexual background and dialogue "choices" that are three flavors of yes. It wasn't until the Nuka World DLC that the Sole Survivor could actually be really evil.
My theory is that Bethesda actually tried to respond to the endless criticism of their emotionally dead narrative presentation. So they wanted to Bioware-fy FO and by this killed what was the big draw of their role playing sandboxes. The only role-playing you can really do in your head (!) are the settlements (with mods, that CC keeps breaking...).

However, unlike MEA FO4 sold really well. And continues to sell (correct me if I'm wrong). Because even if FO4 pisses all over the role playing legacy of previous games it seems to have achieved the goal of attracting a larger shooter crowd with those much improved combat mechanics. Plus the map design and art style is still excellent.

I assume from a business perspective FO4 was a winning strategy. Disgruntled "snowflake" fans do not matter as long as the changes made appeal to a larger audience. Which might be what Anthem is all about. MEA sadly appealed to few people.

I realize I should have put this in a different thread... sorry!

Hmmm most of the discussions I read online were about how FO4 is one of the greatest disappointments to many people. Mostly NV fans of course. Not saying a majority. But random browsing of the game's reception resulted in a lot or negative comments by RPG fans who look for very specific things. Hence my comparison.

I love FO4 for what it is. The settlement feature is amazing. It's not NV however. But then again I wasn't expecting that. I never played a FO game by Bethesda before so I can't actually compare. Only played Skyrim and loved it.

I however agree with all the criticism about the lack of role playing freedom and the utter lack of variation in solving conflicts (kill everyone 99% of the time).
The former is definitely a huge very uncharacteristic drawback that very much goes against what Bethesda used to offer before: A pretty blank slate.
Otherwise, yes, it's the same working formula.

I do see a lot of similarities between the protagonist of FO4 and MEA and why people have issues with both.

Bethesda took a gamble with a voiced protagonist with a family that I'm not sure paid off. I do think the extra money required for all the voice acting could have been put to better use. That said I personally appreciate this change for the most part.

I guess my comparison is confusing. Nevermind!

Lol, is that Alenko? That picture somehow makes me chuckle and creeps me out at the same time.

Anyway, the answer is yes, yes and yes. I suspect being hit with all those romances over the years have led to the current state.