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Post by alanc9 on Sept 6, 2017 15:43:38 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 6, 2017 16:07:39 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. Me neither. But then once I finished the storyline on Eos, planet viability was at 100% so I didn't feel a particular need to do any more side quests.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 6, 2017 16:18:01 GMT
That happens fairly often, doesn't it? Sets up a weird dynamic where I don't have Ryder talk to people because I don't want any more sidequests.
In other games I end up accepting more SQs for the loot --RP too, but that doesn't apply until after I've been informed of the sidequests. But the ME:A loot system falls apart after level 20 or so. XP should theoretically still work, but after the midgame I'm throwing points into abilities that I don't really like, since I've maxed or near-maxed the ones I really like.
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Post by abaris on Sept 6, 2017 16:30:49 GMT
That happens fairly often, doesn't it? Sets up a weird dynamic where I don't have Ryder talk to people because I don't want any more sidequests. In other games I end up accepting more SQs for the loot --RP too, but that doesn't apply until after I've been informed of the sidequests. But the ME:A loot system falls apart after level 20 or so. XP should theoretically still work, but after the midgame I'm throwing points into abilities that I don't really like, since I've maxed or near-maxed the ones I really like. Because it's rather poorly designed. The Jack of all Trades Approach doesn't really offer some kind of incentive other than being able to level up into the 200s. After experimenting a little, I stuck with my favorite 3 abilities and never looked back. Like you I just added points because they were there. Not because I wanted the particular skill. Loot is also ridiculously redunant in this game, aside from consumables. After you were able to lay your hands on the proper schemátics, the found weapons come short of what you are able to develop. A little bit like the Golden Nug in DAI. Your products, apart from rings and amulets, always are better than what you find. But at least there are rings and amulets. There's no equivalent in MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 16:55:44 GMT
That happens fairly often, doesn't it? Sets up a weird dynamic where I don't have Ryder talk to people because I don't want any more sidequests. In other games I end up accepting more SQs for the loot --RP too, but that doesn't apply until after I've been informed of the sidequests. But the ME:A loot system falls apart after level 20 or so. XP should theoretically still work, but after the midgame I'm throwing points into abilities that I don't really like, since I've maxed or near-maxed the ones I really like. One advantage of MEA's mechanics is that they offer a crapton of passives that can be useful regardless of the primary skills you've chosen. Of course they, along with crafting, can make you feel OP - but it's easy enough to avoid if that's your preference. Loot is also ridiculously redunant in this game, aside from consumables. After you were able to lay your hands on the proper schemátics, the found weapons come short of what you are able to develop. A little bit like the Golden Nug in DAI. Your products, apart from rings and amulets, always are better than what you find. But at least there are rings and amulets. There's no equivalent in MEA. Yes, you can end up with a bazillion copies of the same thing pretty quickly in MEA. Not a real problem though, imho, because you can break them down for resources, which really reduces the amount of resource collection you need to do to support a crafting habit.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 6, 2017 18:00:39 GMT
That happens fairly often, doesn't it? Sets up a weird dynamic where I don't have Ryder talk to people because I don't want any more sidequests. In other games I end up accepting more SQs for the loot --RP too, but that doesn't apply until after I've been informed of the sidequests. But the ME:A loot system falls apart after level 20 or so. XP should theoretically still work, but after the midgame I'm throwing points into abilities that I don't really like, since I've maxed or near-maxed the ones I really like. Because it's rather poorly designed. The Jack of all Trades Approach doesn't really offer some kind of incentive other than being able to level up into the 200s. After experimenting a little, I stuck with my favorite 3 abilities and never looked back. Like you I just added points because they were there. Not because I wanted the particular skill. I'm not sure the JOAT design in itself is the problem. ME1 has a similar issue once everything's unlocked, and DA:O warrior and rogue builds get stale at around the 2/3 point. But those games have the loot incentives still operating. DAI had a superior tiering implementation. Many of the good schematics have to be looted, while anything in ME:A is available at will if you have the points (and a lot of pretty good schematics are free for some reason.) And you'll be pretty far into the game before you have all the tier 3 mats you want -- if you ever do. Of course, having to manage multiple armor and weapons loadouts means that far less of the loot is trash.
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Post by heathenoxman on Sept 6, 2017 20:50:46 GMT
A friend told me he was gay. But we were friends and not total strangers. I've never been in a situation where a stranger said something like that to me. I have also never been in that situation. I have been in a situation where someone I have just met signals by mentioning their same-sex s/o or something like that but never just being like, Hi nice to meet you, I'm gay btwand I've definitely never met a trans person who disclosed that to me on a first meeting. Cool. I have.
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Post by warrior on Sept 6, 2017 21:17:48 GMT
I have also never been in that situation. I have been in a situation where someone I have just met signals by mentioning their same-sex s/o or something like that but never just being like, Hi nice to meet you, I'm gay btwand I've definitely never met a trans person who disclosed that to me on a first meeting. Cool. I have. Cool.
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Post by melbella on Sept 7, 2017 1:03:07 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. No video link but I can summarize. You know the question Ryder can ask everyone, "Why did you come to Andromeda?" ? Well, Hainly's reason for coming to Andromeda was to avoid having to explain to everyone she knew that she was now female. The irony being, of course, she immediately tells Ryder that she used to be male. So much for avoiding that convo.
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Post by The Twilight God on Sept 7, 2017 3:05:24 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... If 85% of the Bioware fanbase hates Bioware...
...How is Bioware still a thing?
You do know what a "fan" is, right? Not the kind that blows cool air.
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Post by dagless on Sept 7, 2017 5:53:00 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. Found it It's pretty clumsy writing and not very realistic, but it's silly to compare too much with real life. Computer game characters have only a few pre-recorded lines to define them, not the infinite options for any situation that real people do. They always blurt out personal information, and this is just a bad example of the problem they all have. I'd just say this piece of dialogue wasn't handled that well. Plenty of people have told me they are gay straight away, a couple have told me they are trans almost straight away. More commonly in a bar / party situation than in the workplace though.
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Post by krighaur on Sept 7, 2017 6:41:40 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... If 85% of the Bioware fanbase hates Bioware...
...How is Bioware still a thing?
You do know what a "fan" is, right? Not the kind that blows cool air.
That's the question I asked myself when I suscribed to this forum, but a 'kind hater' TM explained to me that if I wanted to see only positive fans I should go to another forum than the one made for Bioware fan.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 7, 2017 15:40:31 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. Found it It's pretty clumsy writing and not very realistic, but it's silly to compare too much with real life. Computer game characters have only a few pre-recorded lines to define them, not the infinite options for any situation that real people do. They always blurt out personal information, and this is just a bad example of the problem they all have. I'd just say this piece of dialogue wasn't handled that well. Plenty of people have told me they are gay straight away, a couple have told me they are trans almost straight away. More commonly in a bar / party situation than in the workplace though. Thanks. All that outrage, and Hainly doesn't even do what people were complaining she does. Ryder asks a question and she answers it. (It's a silly answer, but that isn't quite the same thing.)
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Post by mannyray on Sept 7, 2017 19:56:42 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. Found it It's pretty clumsy writing and not very realistic, but it's silly to compare too much with real life. Computer game characters have only a few pre-recorded lines to define them, not the infinite options for any situation that real people do. They always blurt out personal information, and this is just a bad example of the problem they all have. I'd just say this piece of dialogue wasn't handled that well. Plenty of people have told me they are gay straight away, a couple have told me they are trans almost straight away. More commonly in a bar / party situation than in the workplace though. Your last paragraph doesn't make Abrams suddenly telling someone out of the gate she's trans. they are in a work setting. maybe not the conventional kind we're used to, but why would she suddenly just say it? so your r/l anecdote falls flat because you pointed out it's in social situations on leisure time.
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Post by colfoley on Sept 7, 2017 20:03:34 GMT
Found it It's pretty clumsy writing and not very realistic, but it's silly to compare too much with real life. Computer game characters have only a few pre-recorded lines to define them, not the infinite options for any situation that real people do. They always blurt out personal information, and this is just a bad example of the problem they all have. I'd just say this piece of dialogue wasn't handled that well. Plenty of people have told me they are gay straight away, a couple have told me they are trans almost straight away. More commonly in a bar / party situation than in the workplace though. Your last paragraph doesn't make Abrams suddenly telling someone out of the gate she's trans. they are in a work setting. maybe not the conventional kind we're used to, but why would she suddenly just say it? so your r/l anecdote falls flat because you pointed out it's in social situations on leisure time. tbf though Ryder did ask about their background...
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Post by krighaur on Sept 7, 2017 20:14:57 GMT
So all the drama was about this scene !!!!!!!! I experienced a guy telling me he was gay .... he was my son.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 7, 2017 20:43:51 GMT
I experienced a lot of things.
That scene was just clumsy all around, but the furor worthiness is low.
Bigots will be bigots. I say this, knowing full well I still use "" too often as a perjorative. It doesn't help that the gay man who I lived with for 3 years and performed the wedding ceremony for my wife and I, uses it that way often too. Old habits die hard, especially when taught so early. But I am conscious of it, and my heart knows the truth.
Sexuality is a pretty fluid thing in my opinion, and our current dominant religions don't have room for that, because at the heart those are systems of control by fear. Please take religion with a heavy dose of critical thinking.
The uproar over this scene was and is just part of the stupid culture we have created and fester in. People watch Bachelor in Paradise, for fucks sake. And like it.
We are all doomed.
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Post by abaris on Sept 7, 2017 20:52:32 GMT
So all the drama was about this scene !!!!!!!! I experienced a guy telling me he was gay .... he was my son. It was obviously hamfisted. Some people made a drama of it because they smelled an agenda and others obviously complained because it showed trans people in a bad light. I see a similar issue with Gil, who seems like a checklist gay cardboard ticking off every cliché the writers could think of. All in all, my impression is, they didn't handle it as well as they did with DAI. With DAI they writers stuck to the golden rule of storytelling: Show, don't tell. That way the people grew in character and made for a multi facetted experience. With MEA it's all hamfisted without any enigma surrounding the persons. Of course, there are people having problems with either approach. But they live for smelling an agenda in everything.
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Post by Guts on Sept 8, 2017 1:39:18 GMT
I experienced a lot of things. That scene was just clumsy all around, but the furor worthiness is low. Bigots will be bigots. I say this, knowing full well I still use "" too often as a perjorative. It doesn't help that the gay man who I lived with for 3 years and performed the wedding ceremony for my wife and I, uses it that way often too. Old habits die hard, especially when taught so early. But I am conscious of it, and my heart knows the truth. Sexuality is a pretty fluid thing in my opinion, and our current dominant religions don't have room for that, because at the heart those are systems of control by fear. Please take religion with a heavy dose of critical thinking. The uproar over this scene was and is just part of the stupid culture we have created and fester in. People watch Bachelor in Paradise, for fucks sake. And like it. We are all doomed. I decided to look up what that show was all about. A dating game show? Yawn.....
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Post by Guts on Sept 8, 2017 1:40:44 GMT
So all the drama was about this scene !!!!!!!! I experienced a guy telling me he was gay .... he was my son. It was obviously hamfisted. Some people made a drama of it because they smelled an agenda and others obviously complained because it showed trans people in a bad light. I see a similar issue with Gil, who seems like a checklist gay cardboard ticking off every cliché the writers could think of. All in all, my impression is, they didn't handle it as well as they did with DAI. With DAI they writers stuck to the golden rule of storytelling: Show, don't tell. That way the people grew in character and made for a multi facetted experience. With MEA it's all hamfisted without any enigma surrounding the persons. Of course, there are people having problems with either approach. But they live for smelling an agenda in everything. IIRC, it was the same way with STEEEEEEVE being hamfisted. (Sorry I couldn't resist)
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Post by river82 on Sept 9, 2017 13:10:17 GMT
Much of the initial uproar over that scene came from the trans community themselves, and Bioware was responding to the trans community when they patched it. I see plenty of people explaining away the uproar by saying it came from people who smelled an agenda, but when the game was just released, twitter was exploding from complaints by the trans community about that scene. Something about "Hanley would never have volunteered her former name" being thrown at Bioware over and over.
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Post by wickedcool on Sept 9, 2017 14:22:54 GMT
I guess I'm a snowflake
Not going to pay big cash for average. Customers/reviewers spoke and ea decided it wasn't worth dlc. Da2 which i loved got similar treatment and got dlc
Disney spent a fortune on pirates of Caribbean and yet they get worse . Cincinnati bengals spend a fortune and yet don't improve. Warcraft movie flopped
Saw game at pax and it held my attention for 10 seconds
When I played dai on 360 I gnashed my teeth. When my dwarfs beard floated over my face and dorians face kept blobbibg out I gnashed my teeth
Seriously those defending and try to convince the rest of us that we made the wrong choice are snowflakes
Snowflakes write books and blame everyone but themselves for losing
What happened is basically what happens when you don't listen, don't exceed/meet expectations and then insult our intelligence
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Post by SwobyJ on Sept 10, 2017 18:22:20 GMT
Anyone have a link handy to a vid of Original Recipe Hainly? All this outrage and I've never seen either version of that convo. No video link but I can summarize. You know the question Ryder can ask everyone, "Why did you come to Andromeda?" ? Well, Hainly's reason for coming to Andromeda was to avoid having to explain to everyone she knew that she was now female. The irony being, of course, she immediately tells Ryder that she used to be male. So much for avoiding that convo. I don't think its about avoiding the convo. I think its about increasing one's sense of agency. She chooses to tell Ryder, not everyone around her asking why she's not male. People get to know her as the woman who incidentally was male, not the man who incidentally became female. We see this all the time with trans, with people 'misgendering' purposefully or accidentally. That her script was altered, was the irony to me
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 10, 2017 18:56:26 GMT
Let's be clear first, this thread isn't directed to insult the true fans of the Mass Effect series. It's about all those "special" folks who are tearing the franchise and BioWare apart by screaming ME3 being a failure just because of it's ending even if the game was a masterpiece, MEA was quite decent yet they treat it as if it's an abomination. About 85% of the ME fanbase never gives BioWare a break and rips their games apart for the smallest issues, they literally want EVERY BW game to average 90+ on Metacritic and get 10's everywhere. Just recently saw IGN's review of Agents of Mayhem, despite the game being buggy and average almost 75% of the comments were urging peeps to support Volition. Never saw anyone doing the same for BioWare. Congratz BW "fans", you've successfully killed an amazing franchise. What's next? Dragon Age? Almost tried burying down a great game like DA:I since they didn't like some of the features or probably NO reason at all just to hate by giving their nonsense excuses like "SJWs", etc. I'm sure this thread will roast me alive for this... I agree 100% and then people wonder why people working on the games stopped coming to visit BSN and BioWare closed down BSN Prime. That is why. Why should a company trying to make any form of media have to be constantly insulted by so-called "fans" on their own forums? I probably would done it a long time ago, but I will give BioWare some credit at least they were polite enough to give everyone a head's up that were closing their forums, I've been on other companies forums where didn't give anybody any warning (look at you IDW Publishing and TNA/Impact Wrestling) so you were pretty much screwed.
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